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Old 10-30-2016, 12:54 PM
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Prince Charles insists Beatrice and Eugenie don’t deserve full-time royal status | Daily Mail Online

As an example: this article. It mentions Beatrice's constant holidaying, says both girls want a royal role, but doesn't explain what Eugenie does. I notice in the comments, people are telling them to "Get a job!" This is really pretty unfair to Eugenie. This kind of article really annoys me, as it sets up a narrative of Beatrice and Eugenie being lazy party girls who don't deserve royal roles. I can agree that Beatrice has taken many vacations, but she also does a fair bit of charity work, which somehow gets covered as another 'vacation.'
Exactly. Like her recent vacation to New York where she had dinner with the fashion world....oh wait she was there to present an award at an UN event. But of course the news over looks that. Or those vacations in Italy and Bhutan, you know she is just some globe trotting laze about.

You would think eugenies article about her job would help. She works forty hours a week and still does charity work. But yes she needs to find a job.
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Old 10-30-2016, 01:05 PM
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If any of this is true,

I just want to say that once again courtiers leaking information is inexcusable. It makes the family look petty and small. And Senior royals encouraging courtiers to leak info is smaller than small.
If...
Actually, until I read something official from P. Charles, P. Andrew, or a proper news media quoting an interview with a named person, I am taking everything printed by tabloids with a huge grain of salt. They tend to made up huge stories at the drop of a hat to get printed and save their paychecks. I believe that once Prince Charles has had enough of this back-biting, he will make his feeling quite known and give his personal reasons for the betterment of the crown and country. I am sure that the Queen knows that once she is no longer here, Charles will eventually get his own way. She is a very intelligent woman and realizes that Charles would never demean or mentally hurt his nieces. JMHO on how I receive Prince Charles.

I would actually like to know to whom Prince Charles insisted that his nieces don't deserve full-time royal status. Is this actually true or was it taken out of contents by some tabloid reporter. Did Beatrice or Eugenie have a say in this whole debate? Something just not right in this entire fiasco.
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Old 10-30-2016, 01:29 PM
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From a very practical point-of-view, Charles and later William will need Beatrice and Eugenie. England -- and Great Britain -- is just too big a place to expect that the various appearances and patronages could be handled by just William, Catherine, Harry, and his wife. It's just not practical --- JMH0!
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Old 10-30-2016, 11:25 PM
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From a very practical point-of-view, Charles and later William will need Beatrice and Eugenie. England -- and Great Britain -- is just too big a place to expect that the various appearances and patronages could be handled by just William, Catherine, Harry, and his wife. It's just not practical --- JMH0!
I assume those already performing Royal duties who are younger than Charles & Camilla - Anne age 66, Andrew age 56, Edward age 52 and Sophie age 51, will continue to perform Royal engagements during the reign of King Charles and contribute to the reign of their nephew as well. William, Harry and their spouses will go from part time to full time, so lots of Royals to go around (and for Charles to support) without adding in the York daughters.
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Old 10-31-2016, 03:48 AM
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Exactly. Like her recent vacation to New York where she had dinner with the fashion world....oh wait she was there to present an award at an UN event. But of course the news over looks that. Or those vacations in Italy and Bhutan, you know she is just some globe trotting laze about.

You would think eugenies article about her job would help. She works forty hours a week and still does charity work. But yes she needs to find a job.
If Eugenie works 40 hours per week and yet still socialises and travels at the level she currently does, then this woman shouldn't be a full time royal, she should be nominated for queen of the entire world.

Like the DM or not, all those foreign trips are not made up, some may have an element of charity work in there somewhere, but the idea that she does all that while working full time is simply not believable.

The average Brit gets about 20 days annual leave per year when they start in a job. We know Beatrice spent at least a week at Balmoral this summer, there's 5 days gone already. The ideal that all the rest of that travel was within the remaining 15 days is laughable. She's either getting special leave or taking considerable unpaid leave, meaning she's not really working full-time at all.
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Old 10-31-2016, 03:42 PM
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The average Brit gets about 20 days annual leave per year when they start in a job. We know Beatrice spent at least a week at Balmoral this summer, there's 5 days gone already. The ideal that all the rest of that travel was within the remaining 15 days is laughable. She's either getting special leave or taking considerable unpaid leave, meaning she's not really working full-time at all.
But the thing is, they/she aren't the average Brit. In fact they aren't the average royal. Most likely there is already an agreement or understanding set in place before they start working. I think the employers understand that their is an image of charity and work that the York girls are expected to undertake.
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Old 11-01-2016, 04:25 PM
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Which makes my point - Beatrice clearly does not work '40 hours a week' like the rest of us do and, if on occasion she does, it's pretty infrequently. Why should she be given the benefit of the doubt by the public when it's blindingly obvious she doesn't really work full time.

Ultimately, whatever the argument about hypothetical numbers of engagements to be completed by RF members in the future, it's clear that there is no support among the Great British public for the York princesses to be full time royals. The RF can't afford to thumb their noses as their paymasters in this way for the next 50+ years.
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Old 11-01-2016, 05:16 PM
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Depending on when you start a job your holiday is altered if you start half way through the year.

My experience wherever I have worked is you get 21 days standard and your 7 bank holidays. This the rises the years you work. If you start in the middle of your companies financial year, your holiday will be adjusted accordingly.

So I don't know what kind of contract/arrangement Beatrice has with whoever she's working for at the minute but it's IMO silly to assume it's the standard I would have if I walked in to the same company for the same job.
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Old 11-01-2016, 11:20 PM
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Whatever spare time the sisters have from whatever employment they have could be used doing charity work if they wish in the future, just as they do now. No-one would stop them. They simply wouldn't get their expenses paid via Royal funding.
I still remain unconvinced that Royal duties is the way Eugenie wants her life to go. She seems content with her work and boyfriend, and may marry in a couple of years. Beatrice I'm not so sure of. I do think she would perhaps like the structure and certainty of a job within the Firm. I just don't think it's going to happen.
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Old 11-02-2016, 12:11 AM
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If Eugenie works 40 hours per week and yet still socialises and travels at the level she currently does, then this woman shouldn't be a full time royal, she should be nominated for queen of the entire world.

Like the DM or not, all those foreign trips are not made up, some may have an element of charity work in there somewhere, but the idea that she does all that while working full time is simply not believable.

The average Brit gets about 20 days annual leave per year when they start in a job. We know Beatrice spent at least a week at Balmoral this summer, there's 5 days gone already. The ideal that all the rest of that travel was within the remaining 15 days is laughable. She's either getting special leave or taking considerable unpaid leave, meaning she's not really working full-time at all.
I am starting to think you and others share the same face America the newspapers do. What trips has Eugenie been on? Beatrice certainly. New York for an UN event, Nepal for her eye charity, Italy for a charity triathlon. But Eugenie? Yes she has a well established job with an art gallery I. London. She even gave an interview about what her schedule is like. You start it's Eugenie but then your argument is all Beatrice. They are two separate people with two separate careers and travel.

Certainly any royals with a job get some extra holiday time. Certainly one doesn't think that all the pilots William works with get even half his vacation time. If get find I think everyone should look into working there.
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Old 11-02-2016, 12:52 AM
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All I can say is that the time anyone can rightfully dissect and criticize any working hours, holidays, royal engagements and who the York girls are involved with and are they headed for the altar or a split is when those actions I've listed are in any way, shape or form coming out of public funding pockets, purses and bank accounts.

These two women are private citizens with a royal title and do not work for the British Royal Family. With this in mind, IMO, they both could move to a remote island in the South Pacific, live on bananas and coconut milk and teach hula dancing and I'd think its great for them if that is what they choose to do with their lives.
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Old 12-09-2016, 09:18 PM
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Prince Andrew denies rift over daughters Eugenie and Beatrice - BBC News

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Old 12-09-2016, 09:34 PM
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All I can say is that the time anyone can rightfully dissect and criticize any working hours, holidays, royal engagements and who the York girls are involved with and are they headed for the altar or a split is when those actions I've listed are in any way, shape or form coming out of public funding pockets, purses and bank accounts.

These two women are private citizens with a royal title and do not work for the British Royal Family. With this in mind, IMO, they both could move to a remote island in the South Pacific, live on bananas and coconut milk and teach hula dancing and I'd think its great for them if that is what they choose to do with their lives.
But some peoples opinion would still be formed by the rubbish that would be written by Mail Online.

Hula dancing- is Bea up to the challenge? Intrepid journo explores South Sea Island
Grass skirts - what was Eugenie thinking! South Ken reels in horror!
York girls are anti-spinach, as they eat bananas! Farmers raise concerns.

Based on previous experience - these are not real quotes.
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Old 12-10-2016, 02:59 AM
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So Prince Andrew has stirred up a hornet's nest. I am sorry to say IMO he hadn't helped his daughters' cause . Better to "shut up and put up" I think these two young women would have been better served if their father had made a similar decision to Ann and steered away from royal titles for the children, but I guess this was never going to happen.


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Old 12-10-2016, 03:45 AM
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So Prince Andrew has stirred up a hornet's nest. I am sorry to say IMO he hadn't helped his daughters' cause . Better to "shut up and put up" I think these two young women would have been better served if their father had made a similar decision to Ann and steered away from royal titles for the children, but I guess this was never going to happen.


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ALL grandchildren of the Queen in the male lineage are a Prince (Princess) of the United Kingdom. That is not on request, by decision, or by initiative. It all happened automatically thanks to the Letters Patent of George V in 1917. So the children of Charles, Albert and Edward are Princes indeed.

The children of Princess Anne (Phillips), the children of Princess Margaret (Armstrong-Jones), the children of Princess Mary (Harewood), the children of Princess Louise (McDuff): none of them were a Prince or Princess of the United Kingdom.

So your assumption that it was better that "if their father steered away from royal titles like Anne" is wrong. Anne did not need to steer away at all. Her children would never receive any royal title in the first place.
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Old 12-10-2016, 04:13 AM
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Perhaps it would have been better to state that maybe Andrew should have had the foresight and request that his daughters be known as Edward's children are.

Andrew, however, holds onto his princely status tighter than Scrooge with his money and I have to believe the same goes for his ex-wife Sarah and being known as "Duchess". There was no way either of them would have their daughters as anything less than Princesses of the Blood Royal.
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Old 12-10-2016, 04:23 AM
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The difference with Prince Edward was that he married way later than siblings: all of them were already divorced when he married. He also married years after the so-called Annus Horribilis, so he entered into a total different situation and circumstances than his siblings.

That Prince James and Princess Louise are styled as an Earl's son respectively daughter still does not take away that the Letters Patent of 1917 still covers them, like they cover their cousins Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie. In that aspect there is no difference.

A solution could be when -upon marriage- the Princesses make to know they want to follow the example of their cousins James and Louise. That means: they will be addressed as daughters of a Duke: Lady Beatrice Clark.
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Old 12-10-2016, 03:38 PM
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If we all had the power of hindsight to go back to do things differently .....we would all do it.

I think iluvberties said it perfectly many many posts again and people seem to either forget it or were not here when it all went down.

First of all Duc is correct [as others have stated over and over again]. Anne's and Mark had the chance to allow their children to be born with a title [Lord and Lady] and made the decision that THEY thought was best for their children at the time. Thus they turned down Her Majesty when Mark was offered an Earldom. This was the 70's and Anne had the foresight to realize that as a daughter of the monarch, her children would be eventually move down the line of succession as her brothers had children and it would be better for them if they were just plain Phillips, who happened to be grandchildren of the Queen.

That was not the case with Charles, Andrew and Edward whose children automatically received the titles of HRH at birth.

Its also worth noting that when Andrew and Sarah first married and had their daughters, the monarchy was popular as was.....WAIT FOR IT....Andrew and by some extension...his wife Sarah...not Diana popular but well liked nonetheless. Needless to say this was before the marriage breakup, the bankruptcy, the scandals, etc. Thus there was no question that Beatrice and Eugenie should not be given HRH's as this was their birthright. Yes, its theirs despite what many here think.

Flash forward ten to fifteen years later, and Edward and Sophie have the foresight to acknowledge that while their children might be HRH's, they prefer if they go by their lesser titles of Lord and Lady. But make no mistake, they are still HRH's. We can discuss why Edward and Sophie decided to do this [not the correct thread] but it seem like they decided to meed in the middle of the Anne decision and the Andrew birthright.

If and when Beatrice and Eugenie marry, I imagine they will follow their cousin Princess Alexandra, who before her husband was knighted, she was known as Princess Alexandra, the Honorable Mrs. Oligvy.
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With the DOE rightfully retiring what will this mean for B & E, or it doesn't really affect them?
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