Beatrice and Edoardo: Wedding Suggestions and Musings Thread

[HereditaryPrincess]

My post really wasn't directed at you, Hereditary Princess, and I apologize if it seemed that way. My comments were more in reaction to this narrative that seems to be gaining traction that Andrew should be shunned by everyone, and that he should never see the light of day again. While I personally think he is a complete waste of space, he's highly unlikely to completely disappear, especially from something like his eldest daughter's wedding.



I think this very small and private wedding, with a reception inside the grounds of Buckingham Palace, seems to hit a nice middle ground.

Apology accepted - and now it’s my turn to apologise for misreading you - you know what we Brits are like with our apologies!
I just presumed you were referring to my post since it was how the discussion was flowing - but for what it’s worth I agree - Andrew isn’t going to disappear from family events and rightly so, whilst I certainly don’t have a favourable opinion of him and never have done, he still should be active within private family events.

 

[_Heather_]

Yes, hence why I said it's up to what Beatrice wants, because I know a lot of people would disagree with this due to wedding traditions.

I certainly agree that she should be able to do whatever she wants but given that she's already having a very small, very private ceremony that will not be televised and she will be closely surrounded only by her nearest and dearest, I think it's a bit much to suggest that he not play the traditional father of the bride role. We don't know why Bea's wedding is so small and private...it could be that that's exactly what she wanted, it could be that that's what she was told she could have, or it could be some combination of the two which is what I suspect is most likely. However, given that the girls have always been close with their father, I suspect it's highly unlikely that she wouldn't want Andrew to walk her down the aisle.

 

[Leopoldine]

If it isn't going to be televised (which IMO might be quite hard if the chapel is quite small and is going to be quite full) then I don't see why Andrew shouldn't walk Beatrice down the aisle. I wonder if he will travel with her or arrive quietly and separately and meet her just inside so she can be pictured arriving without him being there and making it potentially awkward.

Arrivals at the Chapel Royal will be private as well, as the entrance is off Colour Court. In fact, Bea and her father might very well just walk over from her flat within the palace campus.

 

[Queen Claude]

Princess Beatrice's London residence is at St. James’s Palace so she can get ready in her own apartment. I assume that she can get from her apartment to the chapel without using the unimpressive walkway we saw at Louis' christening, but that walkway will be perfectly fine for having a small press pool to photograph arrivals.

 

[Osipi]

I think Beatrice will spend the night before the wedding and leave from BP. As both Bea and Edo are living at St. James, its the perfect place for the groom and his son to get ready for the wedding and arrive unseen at the Chapel.

I think too the perhaps we'll see a convoy of cars carrying the royal family to the Chapel and the bride and her father arriving last. Perhaps even see them returning to BP for the reception afterwards.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Even if the wedding was being fully televised, Andrew should have the right to escort his eldest daughter to the altar if that is what she wants. If anyone was offended at seeing that, they could always simply switch channels or turn off the TV.

Sorry but the very idea of Sarah walking Beatrice down the aisle, bugging her eyes and pulling faces like she did at her own wedding is simply too TOO much.

 

[JR76]

Don't all (legitimate) descendants inherit the title (like in many but not all continental European countries) or is it only the firstborn son that inherits a title? And would the others just be 'Nobiles'?

Different rules for different families depending on which Italian monarchy their title originates from, traditions and terms of ennoblement. To my knowledge the Mapelli Mozzis, whose 1913 title are one from the Kingdom of Italy, have the conditions set down as all males of the family being counts while the female members (except those who marry in and are countesses) are nobiles.

 

[Helen.CH]

Even if the wedding was being fully televised, Andrew should have the right to escort his eldest daughter to the altar if that is what she wants. If anyone was offended at seeing that, they could always simply switch channels or turn off the TV.

Sorry but the very idea of Sarah walking Beatrice down the aisle, bugging her eyes and pulling faces like she did at her own wedding is simply too TOO much.

Thank you! I guess some would get close to a heart attack if Sarah had an important role at the wedding, again at Eugenie's wedding she proofed her bad behaviour. And as Eugenie managed, I hope Beatrice does aswell get a nice dress
and most probably do not rely on Sarah's advice which is said to have caused some trouble in the past.

 

[Denville]

[As I said before, titles in Italy still exist but are not recognized on official documents. However the site of the president of the republic sometimes refers to Italian noble people with their titles, by courtesy. Titles are not abolished, just not recognized by republican institutions. So they follow the rules in force until 1946.]

I don’t wanna think it’s all because of Andrew. I think the security bill for a different wedding would have been too high even for Prince Andrew. Or at least much under scrutiny. But it’s sad royals are required to pay for security too. When Princess Alexandra of Kent married in full pomp at the Abbey, I don’t think they complained that much. Old times haha

Its not sad at all, The public don't want to pay for security. Andrew is very deeply unpopular and especially now the public do not want a fancy wedding, with him showing up, and to have to pay a large security bill for it. Alexandra was a working princess and it was a different time, so the public were more inclined to be pleased to see a royal wedding and were willing to taek on the costs. There have been several royals weddings in the past year, and the public is no longer all that interested in them and does not want the cost. And they esp don't want to pay for Andrew's daughters costs.

 

[JGio]

Its not sad at all, The public don't want to pay for security. Andrew is very deeply unpopular and especially now the public do not want a fancy wedding, with him showing up, and to have to pay a large security bill for it. Alexandra was a working princess and it was a different time, so the public were more inclined to be pleased to see a royal wedding and were willing to taek on the costs. There have been several royals weddings in the past year, and the public is no longer all that interested in them and does not want the cost. And they esp don't want to pay for Andrew's daughters costs.

The public basically wants the monarchy, but don’t want to pay for it, despite the enormous economical return the RF bring from tourism etc. All I want to say is that Beatrice is now paying for the extravagance of many previous royal weddings that bothered so many subjects, at least economically.
With this in mind, royal weddings in the future generations will become only for heirs, and all others may be required to pay for their security bills, as if they concretely could.
Moreover, Beatrice and Eugenie never received public money, but still get to do some charity work just like “working royals” (just more quietly, without announcements and spotlight). Paying a tiny amount for the security of the RF at a RF wedding, idk I wouldn’t be bothered by it. However, this is just my opinion.

I hope Beatrice and Andrew will travel from BP in a escorted Rolls. Then B and Edo travel back to BP In a open horse-drawn carriage. It would be quite a statement of support from The Queen.

 

[Denville]

The public basically wants the monarchy, but don’t want to pay for it, despite the enormous economical return the RF bring from tourism etc. All I want to say is that Beatrice is now paying for the extravagance of many previous royal weddings that bothered so many subjects, at least economically.
With this in mind, royal weddings in the future generations will become only for heirs, and all others may be required to pay for their security bills, as if they concretely could.
Moreover, Beatrice and Eugenie never received public money, but still get to do some charity work just like “working royals” (just more quietly, without announcements and spotlight). Paying a tiny amount for the security of the RF at a RF wedding, idk I wouldn’t be bothered by it. However, this is just my opinion.

I hope Beatrice and Andrew will travel from BP in a escorted Rolls. Then B and Edo travel back to BP In a open horse-drawn carriage. It would be quite a statement of support from The Queen.

the Monarchy is essentially an anomaly in a democracy and exists at the goodwill of the public. If the public don't want to pay for certain aspects they have the right to say so.. and if this isn't taken notice of - the whole monarchy may go. Bea and Eugenie are not working royals. They do a few charities things but not as representatives of the queen. It is no more than many well to do people do, using their wealth and relative leisure to give back to the community. that's kind of what the upper classes are supposed to do.
They have never been all that popular, because of their parents and they themselves have not managed to overcome that.. though there is no harm in them... They have been perceived as party girls but they are now at an age where the press and public will just quietly ignore them and they will get on with teir private lives.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Security is as much for well known guests and for crowd safety as it is for Beatrice or Andrew.
Beatrice's two venues are not far apart and the security should already be permanent at Buckingham Palace and St James. Private photography and film could be released of parts of the wedding. The surrounding parks will be lovely in May. The Queen has made a good call.

 

[JGio]

Idk, I think that a minimum security expense should be paid in a sign of respect to the entire RF that is going to attend. Saying “we don’t give a s**t of B and Andrew” is simply cruel. Not that any of you said that. But you know what I mean. They did nothing wrong so I wouldn’t treat this wedding as a bomb to hide, without a father of the bride in sight or guests walking in the tunnel under the mall. This is the RF, that you like it or not. But ruining a born princess’ wedding won’t make you get much more than this..

 

[Tatiana Maria]

I wouldn't have thought that an illegitimate son could inherit a title, but titles don't officially exist in Italy any more anyway.

I don't think Christopher Wolf will be inheriting the "nonexistent" comital Mapelli-Mozzi title. The "nonexistent" title would be assumed by Edo's firstborn son with with Princess Beatrice, to use or not to use whether it's recognized by the Republic of Italy or in Britain or not.

[As I said before, titles in Italy still exist but are not recognized on official documents. However the site of the president of the republic sometimes refers to Italian noble people with their titles, by courtesy. Titles are not abolished, just not recognized by republican institutions. So they follow the rules in force until 1946.]

Don't all (legitimate) descendants inherit the title (like in many but not all continental European countries) or is it only the firstborn son that inherits a title? And would the others just be 'Nobiles'?

Different rules for different families depending on which Italian monarchy their title originates from, traditions and terms of ennoblement. To my knowledge the Mapelli Mozzis, whose 1913 title are one from the Kingdom of Italy, have the conditions set down as all males of the family being counts while the female members (except those who marry in and are countesses) are nobiles.

Still, precisely because no Italian titles exist officially, no enforceable rules exist officially - as can be seen from the unresolved arguments within the Savoy and Bourbon-Two Sicilies families over the unofficial titles which competing lines of the families have assumed. Should Wolfie Mapelli Mozzi or a future daughter of Edo assume the title of count(ess), neither the republican institutions of Italy nor the royal institutions of the United Kingdom will censure them for it, so long as they do not attempt to use the title on official documents, and use of titles on official documents would also not be permitted for any sons born to Edo in wedlock.

But seeing as neither Edo nor his father have assumed a title, and the family does not appear to have ties to Italy apart from Edo's paternal ancestry, I am not expecting Edo's children to do so.

 

[Denville]

Idk, I think that a minimum security expense should be paid in a sign of respect to the entire RF that is going to attend. Saying “we don’t give a s**t of B and Andrew” is simply cruel. Not that any of you said that. But you know what I mean. They did nothing wrong so I wouldn’t treat this wedding as a bomb to hide, without a father of the bride in sight or guests walking in the tunnel under the mall. This is the RF, that you like it or not. But ruining a born princess’ wedding won’t make you get much more than this..

Get much more than what? I don't understand - sorry. Beatrice did nothing wrong, true but Andrew did, and he has had to give up his work.. and many feel that he should be censured even more. The RF can attend, and have security, and Andrewe can pay for it...

 

[Helen.CH]

Idk, I think that a minimum security expense should be paid in a sign of respect to the entire RF that is going to attend. Saying “we don’t give a s**t of B and Andrew” is simply cruel. Not that any of you said that. But you know what I mean. They did nothing wrong so I wouldn’t treat this wedding as a bomb to hide, without a father of the bride in sight or guests walking in the tunnel under the mall. This is the RF, that you like it or not. But ruining a born princess’ wedding won’t make you get much more than this..

I do not unterstand what you are trying to say.
Security costs are not a sign of affection the public owes to the RF.
Beatrice is not a working member and beside her father's mess, her fiance was engaged shortly before which means a promise to marry someone, had a child with the bride-to-be but something went wrong, this alone could be a reason to make it a bit more modest, anyway this might show Beatrice quite brave or stupid, time will tell, to marry this guy , hope she knows better what the background of his former relationship was.
They have done no wrong? Andrews certainly has!
And your last sentence? What do we get by ruining???
Maybe you would like to explain.

 

[JGio]

Get much more than what? I don't understand - sorry. Beatrice did nothing wrong, true but Andrew did, and he has had to give up his work.. and many feel that he should be censured even more. The RF can attend, and have security, and Andrewe can pay for it...

He didn’t have to give up his work, he asked HM to step back from his duties for the foreseeable future. Sorry, I don’t like to rely on gossips and rumors. I prefer official statements. No proofs, no guilt.

However, The Queen seems to be using the wedding to show a united family on all fronts. So probably H&M will attend and Andrew will have the position he deserves.

 

[Lilyflo]

Idk, I think that a minimum security expense should be paid in a sign of respect to the entire RF that is going to attend. Saying “we don’t give a s**t of B and Andrew” is simply cruel. Not that any of you said that. But you know what I mean. They did nothing wrong so I wouldn’t treat this wedding as a bomb to hide, without a father of the bride in sight or guests walking in the tunnel under the mall. This is the RF, that you like it or not. But ruining a born princess’ wedding won’t make you get much more than this..

Nobody is "ruining a born princess’ wedding". She's being married in the same royal chapel that was deemed good enough for Queen Victoria's wedding. She'll have a 1st class choir & musicians, all the flowers she wants, the dress she wants, the attendants she wants, the photographer she wants & she'll be surrounded by her closest family & friends. Following that, she's having a fabulous reception in Buckingham Palace gardens, hosted by the Queen. In the evening, she can have a huge party for friends if she wants with yet another dress, more food & drink, more entertainment. If all that counts as "ruining" a wedding then people's expectations are ridiculous.

 

[Mirabel]

Nobody is "ruining a born princess’ wedding". She's being married in the same royal chapel that was deemed good enough for Queen Victoria's wedding.

I don't know about that.
I mentioned the venue to someone- just the name of the chapel, no other comment, and his response was to shrug and say, "Blame daddy!"

 

[Denville]

He didn’t have to give up his work, he asked HM to step back from his duties for the foreseeable future. Sorry, I don’t like to rely on gossips and rumors. I prefer official statements. No proofs, no guilt.

However, The Queen seems to be using the wedding to show a united family on all fronts. So probably H&M will attend and Andrew will have the position he deserves.

yes he did have to give up his work. Andrew would not give up without a command from the queen and what choice did she have when charities were droppng him and no one wanted to work with him.
We don't know who is goig to attend.. possibly Harry and Meg will come but it doesn't relaly matter because IMO the wedding will be a fairly quiet family affair. Andrew- the position he deserves?? what position does he deserve?

 

[Denville]

Nobody is "ruining a born princess’ wedding". She's being married in the same royal chapel that was deemed good enough for Queen Victoria's wedding. She'll have a 1st class choir & musicians, all the flowers she wants, the dress she wants, the attendants she wants, the photographer she wants & she'll be surrounded by her closest family & friends. Following that, she's having a fabulous reception in Buckingham Palace gardens, hosted by the Queen. In the evening, she can have a huge party for friends if she wants with yet another dress, more food & drink, more entertainment. If all that counts as "ruining" a wedding then people's expectations are ridiculous.

I agree that her wedding is harldy "ruined". She is still a rich girl who is the queen's granddaugther and she will have a quite nice wedding. But it wont be a public one. Eugenie's was not broadcast except as part of Good Morning Britain. or whatever the show Is caused...
I don't know if it got that much attention from the public. But that is partly because people just aren't that interested in every royal getting married nowadays. Royal weddings aren't that popular. Even Harry, the brother of a future King was married at Windsor. And the Andrew scandal has completely knocked a public wedding on the head. Bea can harldly want her father to be leading her into the church with the public watching... People wouldn't be rude, but I think there would be rather a chill....

 

[ACO]

How is her wedding ruined? An extremely wealthy woman getting married to a man she loves surrounded by all the privileged afforded to her. Lets not be dramatic here.

Beatrice will have her day and it will be a great one.

 

[Erin9]

I hope this is truly the venue Beatrice wanted. I understand the need for it to be less public than Eugenie’s ( and maybe she wanted it to be less public anyway), but I hope Andrew wasn’t the cause of where the ceremony is located. This only happens once (hopefully); so I hope the location was what she’d dreamed of.

 

[Denville]

I hope this is truly the venue Beatrice wanted. I understand the need for it to be less public than Eugenie’s ( and maybe she wanted it to be less public anyway), but I hope Andrew wasn’t the cause of where the ceremony is located. This only happens once (hopefully); so I hope the location was what she’d dreamed of.

I should say yes he is the cause, largely.... and I think that it is a bit of a downer for Bea to be getting married while the whole scandal has not had time to fade away

 

[Hallo girl]

There could be the possibility that due to the couples apparent huge circle of friends it was actually easier to keep the service small ( by royal standards ) then a huge party at the palace. Posters have said on here that there was a limit to the number of suitable locations to take the numbers expected.
Beatrice maybe wanted something different to the other three recent royal brides.
How many ways can you change St.Georges chapel to make it unique for you.
She maybe didn't want a re run of her sisters wedding.
The palace has huge gardens, it will be coming into garden party season so everything already in place, if bad weather easily step in to the palace, plenty of space there.
I find it sad that people assume that Beatrices choices are driven by gossip and innuendo.

 

[Queen Claude]

I agree that her wedding is harldy "ruined". She is still a rich girl who is the queen's granddaugther and she will have a quite nice wedding. But it wont be a public one. Eugenie's was not broadcast except as part of Good Morning Britain. or whatever the show Is caused...
I don't know if it got that much attention from the public. But that is partly because people just aren't that interested in every royal getting married nowadays. Royal weddings aren't that popular. Even Harry, the brother of a future King was married at Windsor. And the Andrew scandal has completely knocked a public wedding on the head. Bea can harldly want her father to be leading her into the church with the public watching... People wouldn't be rude, but I think there would be rather a chill....

I disagree that royal weddings aren't popular.

Regarding Eugenie's wedding, her wedding was broadcast live in Great Britain, Australia, the U.S., and probably other places. IIRC it was also re-broadcast in the U.S. The British and Australian outlets that covered the wedding got much higher ratings than they usually got for the timeslot. A crowd showed up at the church and people lined the streets in the town of Windsor along the route of the carriage ride.

 

[Gawin]

There could be the possibility that due to the couples apparent huge circle of friends it was actually easier to keep the service small ( by royal standards ) then a huge party at the palace. Posters have said on here that there was a limit to the number of suitable locations to take the numbers expected.
Beatrice maybe wanted something different to the other three recent royal brides.
How many ways can you change St.Georges chapel to make it unique for you.
She maybe didn't want a re run of her sisters wedding.
The palace has huge gardens, it will be coming into garden party season so everything already in place, if bad weather easily step in to the palace, plenty of space there.
I find it sad that people assume that Beatrices choices are driven by gossip and innuendo.

I agree - just because this isn't the wedding WE wanted it doesn't mean it's not the wedding Beatrice and Edo want.

 

[Alison H]

ITN have said that the wedding will feature as an item in news programmes, so, whilst there won't be full TV coverage, it does sound as if we'll get some video coverage, at least of everyone arriving and leaving.


I hope it's not all hidden away. That'd give the impression that there was something to be ashamed of, and Beatrice and Edo have certainly done nothing to be ashamed of.

 

[sophie25]

ITN have said that the wedding will feature as an item in news programmes, so, whilst there won't be full TV coverage, it does sound as if we'll get some video coverage, at least of everyone arriving and leaving.


I hope it's not all hidden away. That'd give the impression that there was something to be ashamed of, and Beatrice and Edo have certainly done nothing to be ashamed of.

I think they will bring the Associated Press in to film arrivals of guests/bride etc and these images will then be used by the new outlets. This is what Lady Gabriella did and Lady Davina Windsor when she married at KP. I only recently discovered the AP wedding footage of Davina's wedding on YouTube if anyone is interested to have a look.

 

[sophie25]

A link to Lady Gabriella Windsor's christening at the Chapel Royal, St. James's Palace. This bit of film gives a little idea of the size of the courtyard outside the chapel where Beatrice's car will probably draw up. You don't really see much of the courtyard in film of the Cambridge christenings and it's a bit bigger than I thought.

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detai...ing-st-james-palace-gv-news-footage/814428164