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Old 02-09-2020, 08:26 AM
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But they are still a family.
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Old 02-09-2020, 08:32 AM
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The Press were at fever pitch for the same reason when Pippa Middleton married. They were wondering if Harry would bring then-girlfriend Meghan Markle to the ceremony.

It was a small sideshow to what was otherwise a very lovely wedding with little focus taken off the bride and groom.

I realize that there have been literally seismic changes in Harry and Meghan's circumstances since then, but he is the bride's 1st cousin and her childhood friend. If she wants he and his wife there, she should invite them.

But I have suspected ever since "Megxit" that Meghan will not return for Beatrice's wedding even if Harry does.
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Old 02-09-2020, 08:35 AM
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I suspect all the core RF will be invited that is those who would be at Sandringham for Christmas' - grandparents, uncles and aunty plus spouses and cousins. I imagine H&M will get an invite as it would be strange not to invite them IMO, but whether the couple choose to attend is up to them. TBH they may even invite the Gloucesters and Kents for the sake of 6 extra people to keep family harmony but equally I don't think there would be hurt feelings if they could fit them in.
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Old 02-09-2020, 08:48 AM
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I wonder if Beatrice and Edo are planning an evening dinner dance to follow the ceremony and the afternoon reception?

All BRF weddings of the last 20 years have had one.

Who will host it? Where would it be? Hopefully not Chiltern Firehouse again.
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Old 02-09-2020, 09:16 AM
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I wonder if Beatrice and Edo are planning an evening dinner dance to follow the ceremony and the afternoon reception?

All BRF weddings of the last 20 years have had one.

Who will host it? Where would it be? Hopefully not Chiltern Firehouse again.
Or they might have another party abroad.
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Old 02-09-2020, 09:48 AM
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I hope so. That would be fabulous.
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Old 02-09-2020, 10:09 AM
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I hope so. That would be fabulous.
How many parties do they need??/
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Old 02-09-2020, 10:14 AM
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Because it might overshadow their big day. Its beatrices' and Edo's special day.. already there is the Andrew problem.. and if H and Meg were there, the press would likely be milling around tyring to see what they were looking like...
Nothing will overshadow her day. People kicking up a non existent fuss should be the last thing on her mind. She will invite who she wants and her father will walk her down the aisle -- and people will just deal with it.

I am no fan of Andrew but seriously?

It makes sense for the wedding to be small and then there will be a big bash to celebrate. This is becoming more and more popular these days anyways.
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Old 02-09-2020, 11:50 AM
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How many parties do they need??/
Everyone else.....Kate/William, Eugenie/Jack, Harry/Meghan, Ella/Tom, Zara/Mike...had evening celebrations. Why not Beatrice and Edoardo? Especially considering the fact that ceremony itself will be so private.

I hope they have a blowout evening gala to rival all the others.
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Old 02-09-2020, 11:51 AM
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Raine McCorquodale, formerly the Countess Dartmouth, formerly the Countess Spencer, formerly comtesse Jean-François Pineton de Chambrun is an example of a British lady using her husband's foreign style.

It would be nice when the Queen would incorporate the title in the British Peerage, so it becomes HRH Princess Beatrice, countess Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi and their eventual children will be Lord/Lady Mapelli Mozzi, with the eldest son being heir to the British title.

It is not new. The Dutch nobles Van Keppel (Earls of Albemarle, Viscounts Bury, Barons Ashford) and Bentinck (Earls of Portland, Viscounts Woodstock and Barons of Cirencester) were incorporated as well, while their Dutch nobility still exists to the very present day.
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Old 02-09-2020, 11:53 AM
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It'll NEVER happen but yes...it would be lovely. Perfect wedding gift!
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Old 02-09-2020, 12:30 PM
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All three of Raine McCorquodale's husbands used their titles / [courtesy] styles at the time of their marriages to her. Count Jean-François Pineton de Chambrun was her third husband. At the time of her third marriage, she was a widow using her second husband's title so it made sense for her to take her new husband's name/style. It should be noted that the marriage was short-lived and she reverted back to her second marriage name/style after her divorce.
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Old 02-09-2020, 01:05 PM
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It would be nice when the Queen would incorporate the title in the British Peerage, so it becomes HRH Princess Beatrice, countess Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi and their eventual children will be Lord/Lady Mapelli Mozzi, with the eldest son being heir to the British title.
It would really amazing, but simply it won’t happen.. also in respect to poor Wolfie who would not inherit the title, being born out of wedlock.
Moreover, his title, like many other Italian titles, seems not to be “Count of X” like British ones, that’s why it is inherited by all children and passed via male sons. There’s not that much online about them, btw.


Also there’s some Law in the UK not allowing the use of foreign titles... but if The Queen I think she could create such a title. Maybe she will offer him an British one, like she is said to have done with other grooms.
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Old 02-09-2020, 01:20 PM
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How many parties do they need??/
As many as they care to pay for.....I think it would be neat if they went to Italy and had a reception even there the next day/evening.



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Old 02-09-2020, 01:23 PM
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Raine McCorquodale, formerly the Countess Dartmouth, formerly the Countess Spencer, formerly comtesse Jean-François Pineton de Chambrun is an example of a British lady using her husband's foreign style.

It would be nice when the Queen would incorporate the title in the British Peerage, so it becomes HRH Princess Beatrice, countess Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi and their eventual children will be Lord/Lady Mapelli Mozzi, with the eldest son being heir to the British title.

It is not new. The Dutch nobles Van Keppel (Earls of Albemarle, Viscounts Bury, Barons Ashford) and Bentinck (Earls of Portland, Viscounts Woodstock and Barons of Cirencester) were incorporated as well, while their Dutch nobility still exists to the very present day.

Titles in Italy are no longer recognized right? Does the family actually still hold a title that is defunct?

I think we saw the way of things when Beatrice married and her husband is still a Mister.


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Old 02-09-2020, 01:32 PM
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I think it's the same as it is in France and Austria, and Russia - the titles aren't recognised in the country from which they originate, but some people still use them abroad. The granting of English titles (I'm saying English because it was pre-1707) to William of Orange's mates was over 300 years ago: I don't think it'd happen now.


Didn't Prince Harry organise William and Kate's evening do? Maybe Eugenie and Jack could host something - somewhere! - for Beatrice and Edo. I'm sure the reception at Buckingham Palace will be lovely, but I don't suppose guests will be dancing the night away there!
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Old 02-09-2020, 02:06 PM
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The Tecks and the Battenbergs were incorporated while-formally- their nobility was lost in the country of origin. Princess Alice, the Duke's mother, could use her foreign style in the UK. Anthony Armstrong-Jones was created an Earl from scratch. The House of Lords is filled with peerages, bestowed like it is manna from heaven. Even scandal prone fellows like Rod Stewart or Elton John are a Sir. But no... an ancient Italian noble family which still owns an impressive ancestral estate ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_Mapelli_Mozzi) is a plain Mr? I will never understand the peculiarities of the British Court.
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Old 02-09-2020, 02:19 PM
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Titles in Italy are no longer recognized right? Does the family actually still hold a title that is defunct?

I think we saw the way of things when Beatrice married and her husband is still a Mister.


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He is styled Mr. because of a law in the UK that dates back to George V or something. But yes, he still holds the title of count. And the nobility in Italy, despite the diffused disapproval towards the Savoy Royal Family, still has respect for nobility and titles are by courtesy. If your family is a comital one, it will always be, regardless of the missed Republic recognition
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Old 02-09-2020, 02:42 PM
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I don't find anything peculiar about a UK monarch bestowing honorifics upon natives of the country she reigns and not feeling compelled to hand out / restore / appropriate a title from a foreign country, especially a country that ridded itself of its monarchy as a result of war where that country and the UK were on opposite sides.

Regarding the Tecks and Battenbergs, while their origins were German (Austrian?), the branches that were given British titles had settled in Britain and were given British titles to compensate for the German titles they renounced as a gesture of loyalty to the UK and its monarch.
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Old 02-09-2020, 03:07 PM
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How many parties do they need??/
How many parties did her sister need? She had a whole weekend. His many parties did her cousins need? They all (even Peter and Zara) had two receptions. The day time hosted by the queen and an evening party. Heck even Ella and Tom did. And upper crust non royal weddings it's common.

Better question why do you think Beatrice deserves less then the other five?
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