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Old 02-08-2020, 05:50 AM
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The public basically wants the monarchy, but don’t want to pay for it, despite the enormous economical return the RF bring from tourism etc. All I want to say is that Beatrice is now paying for the extravagance of many previous royal weddings that bothered so many subjects, at least economically.
With this in mind, royal weddings in the future generations will become only for heirs, and all others may be required to pay for their security bills, as if they concretely could.
Moreover, Beatrice and Eugenie never received public money, but still get to do some charity work just like “working royals” (just more quietly, without announcements and spotlight). Paying a tiny amount for the security of the RF at a RF wedding, idk I wouldn’t be bothered by it. However, this is just my opinion.

I hope Beatrice and Andrew will travel from BP in a escorted Rolls. Then B and Edo travel back to BP In a open horse-drawn carriage. It would be quite a statement of support from The Queen.
the Monarchy is essentially an anomaly in a democracy and exists at the goodwill of the public. If the public don't want to pay for certain aspects they have the right to say so.. and if this isn't taken notice of - the whole monarchy may go. Bea and Eugenie are not working royals. They do a few charities things but not as representatives of the queen. It is no more than many well to do people do, using their wealth and relative leisure to give back to the community. that's kind of what the upper classes are supposed to do.
They have never been all that popular, because of their parents and they themselves have not managed to overcome that.. though there is no harm in them... They have been perceived as party girls but they are now at an age where the press and public will just quietly ignore them and they will get on with teir private lives.
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Old 02-08-2020, 05:55 AM
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Security is as much for well known guests and for crowd safety as it is for Beatrice or Andrew.
Beatrice's two venues are not far apart and the security should already be permanent at Buckingham Palace and St James. Private photography and film could be released of parts of the wedding. The surrounding parks will be lovely in May. The Queen has made a good call.
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Old 02-08-2020, 06:22 AM
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Idk, I think that a minimum security expense should be paid in a sign of respect to the entire RF that is going to attend. Saying “we don’t give a s**t of B and Andrew” is simply cruel. Not that any of you said that. But you know what I mean. They did nothing wrong so I wouldn’t treat this wedding as a bomb to hide, without a father of the bride in sight or guests walking in the tunnel under the mall. This is the RF, that you like it or not. But ruining a born princess’ wedding won’t make you get much more than this..
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Old 02-08-2020, 06:52 AM
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I wouldn't have thought that an illegitimate son could inherit a title, but titles don't officially exist in Italy any more anyway.
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I don't think Christopher Wolf will be inheriting the "nonexistent" comital Mapelli-Mozzi title. The "nonexistent" title would be assumed by Edo's firstborn son with with Princess Beatrice, to use or not to use whether it's recognized by the Republic of Italy or in Britain or not.
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[As I said before, titles in Italy still exist but are not recognized on official documents. However the site of the president of the republic sometimes refers to Italian noble people with their titles, by courtesy. Titles are not abolished, just not recognized by republican institutions. So they follow the rules in force until 1946.]
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Don't all (legitimate) descendants inherit the title (like in many but not all continental European countries) or is it only the firstborn son that inherits a title? And would the others just be 'Nobiles'?
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Different rules for different families depending on which Italian monarchy their title originates from, traditions and terms of ennoblement. To my knowledge the Mapelli Mozzis, whose 1913 title are one from the Kingdom of Italy, have the conditions set down as all males of the family being counts while the female members (except those who marry in and are countesses) are nobiles.

Still, precisely because no Italian titles exist officially, no enforceable rules exist officially - as can be seen from the unresolved arguments within the Savoy and Bourbon-Two Sicilies families over the unofficial titles which competing lines of the families have assumed. Should Wolfie Mapelli Mozzi or a future daughter of Edo assume the title of count(ess), neither the republican institutions of Italy nor the royal institutions of the United Kingdom will censure them for it, so long as they do not attempt to use the title on official documents, and use of titles on official documents would also not be permitted for any sons born to Edo in wedlock.

But seeing as neither Edo nor his father have assumed a title, and the family does not appear to have ties to Italy apart from Edo's paternal ancestry, I am not expecting Edo's children to do so.
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Old 02-08-2020, 08:07 AM
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Idk, I think that a minimum security expense should be paid in a sign of respect to the entire RF that is going to attend. Saying “we don’t give a s**t of B and Andrew” is simply cruel. Not that any of you said that. But you know what I mean. They did nothing wrong so I wouldn’t treat this wedding as a bomb to hide, without a father of the bride in sight or guests walking in the tunnel under the mall. This is the RF, that you like it or not. But ruining a born princess’ wedding won’t make you get much more than this..
Get much more than what? I don't understand - sorry. Beatrice did nothing wrong, true but Andrew did, and he has had to give up his work.. and many feel that he should be censured even more. The RF can attend, and have security, and Andrewe can pay for it...
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Old 02-08-2020, 08:33 AM
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Idk, I think that a minimum security expense should be paid in a sign of respect to the entire RF that is going to attend. Saying “we don’t give a s**t of B and Andrew” is simply cruel. Not that any of you said that. But you know what I mean. They did nothing wrong so I wouldn’t treat this wedding as a bomb to hide, without a father of the bride in sight or guests walking in the tunnel under the mall. This is the RF, that you like it or not. But ruining a born princess’ wedding won’t make you get much more than this..
I do not unterstand what you are trying to say.
Security costs are not a sign of affection the public owes to the RF.
Beatrice is not a working member and beside her father's mess, her fiance was engaged shortly before which means a promise to marry someone, had a child with the bride-to-be but something went wrong, this alone could be a reason to make it a bit more modest, anyway this might show Beatrice quite brave or stupid, time will tell, to marry this guy , hope she knows better what the background of his former relationship was.
They have done no wrong? Andrews certainly has!
And your last sentence? What do we get by ruining???
Maybe you would like to explain.
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Old 02-08-2020, 08:34 AM
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Get much more than what? I don't understand - sorry. Beatrice did nothing wrong, true but Andrew did, and he has had to give up his work.. and many feel that he should be censured even more. The RF can attend, and have security, and Andrewe can pay for it...
He didn’t have to give up his work, he asked HM to step back from his duties for the foreseeable future. Sorry, I don’t like to rely on gossips and rumors. I prefer official statements. No proofs, no guilt.

However, The Queen seems to be using the wedding to show a united family on all fronts. So probably H&M will attend and Andrew will have the position he deserves.
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Old 02-08-2020, 08:37 AM
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Idk, I think that a minimum security expense should be paid in a sign of respect to the entire RF that is going to attend. Saying “we don’t give a s**t of B and Andrew” is simply cruel. Not that any of you said that. But you know what I mean. They did nothing wrong so I wouldn’t treat this wedding as a bomb to hide, without a father of the bride in sight or guests walking in the tunnel under the mall. This is the RF, that you like it or not. But ruining a born princess’ wedding won’t make you get much more than this..
Nobody is "ruining a born princess’ wedding". She's being married in the same royal chapel that was deemed good enough for Queen Victoria's wedding. She'll have a 1st class choir & musicians, all the flowers she wants, the dress she wants, the attendants she wants, the photographer she wants & she'll be surrounded by her closest family & friends. Following that, she's having a fabulous reception in Buckingham Palace gardens, hosted by the Queen. In the evening, she can have a huge party for friends if she wants with yet another dress, more food & drink, more entertainment. If all that counts as "ruining" a wedding then people's expectations are ridiculous.
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Old 02-08-2020, 08:55 AM
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Nobody is "ruining a born princess’ wedding". She's being married in the same royal chapel that was deemed good enough for Queen Victoria's wedding.

I don't know about that.
I mentioned the venue to someone- just the name of the chapel, no other comment, and his response was to shrug and say, "Blame daddy!"
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Old 02-08-2020, 09:01 AM
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He didn’t have to give up his work, he asked HM to step back from his duties for the foreseeable future. Sorry, I don’t like to rely on gossips and rumors. I prefer official statements. No proofs, no guilt.

However, The Queen seems to be using the wedding to show a united family on all fronts. So probably H&M will attend and Andrew will have the position he deserves.
yes he did have to give up his work. Andrew would not give up without a command from the queen and what choice did she have when charities were droppng him and no one wanted to work with him.
We don't know who is goig to attend.. possibly Harry and Meg will come but it doesn't relaly matter because IMO the wedding will be a fairly quiet family affair. Andrew- the position he deserves?? what position does he deserve?
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Old 02-08-2020, 10:22 AM
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Nobody is "ruining a born princess’ wedding". She's being married in the same royal chapel that was deemed good enough for Queen Victoria's wedding. She'll have a 1st class choir & musicians, all the flowers she wants, the dress she wants, the attendants she wants, the photographer she wants & she'll be surrounded by her closest family & friends. Following that, she's having a fabulous reception in Buckingham Palace gardens, hosted by the Queen. In the evening, she can have a huge party for friends if she wants with yet another dress, more food & drink, more entertainment. If all that counts as "ruining" a wedding then people's expectations are ridiculous.
I agree that her wedding is harldy "ruined". She is still a rich girl who is the queen's granddaugther and she will have a quite nice wedding. But it wont be a public one. Eugenie's was not broadcast except as part of Good Morning Britain. or whatever the show Is caused...
I don't know if it got that much attention from the public. But that is partly because people just aren't that interested in every royal getting married nowadays. Royal weddings aren't that popular. Even Harry, the brother of a future King was married at Windsor. And the Andrew scandal has completely knocked a public wedding on the head. Bea can harldly want her father to be leading her into the church with the public watching... People wouldn't be rude, but I think there would be rather a chill....
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Old 02-08-2020, 10:44 AM
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How is her wedding ruined? An extremely wealthy woman getting married to a man she loves surrounded by all the privileged afforded to her. Lets not be dramatic here.

Beatrice will have her day and it will be a great one.
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Old 02-08-2020, 10:47 AM
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I hope this is truly the venue Beatrice wanted. I understand the need for it to be less public than Eugenie’s ( and maybe she wanted it to be less public anyway), but I hope Andrew wasn’t the cause of where the ceremony is located. This only happens once (hopefully); so I hope the location was what she’d dreamed of.
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Old 02-08-2020, 10:50 AM
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I hope this is truly the venue Beatrice wanted. I understand the need for it to be less public than Eugenie’s ( and maybe she wanted it to be less public anyway), but I hope Andrew wasn’t the cause of where the ceremony is located. This only happens once (hopefully); so I hope the location was what she’d dreamed of.
I should say yes he is the cause, largely.... and I think that it is a bit of a downer for Bea to be getting married while the whole scandal has not had time to fade away
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Old 02-08-2020, 10:56 AM
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There could be the possibility that due to the couples apparent huge circle of friends it was actually easier to keep the service small ( by royal standards ) then a huge party at the palace. Posters have said on here that there was a limit to the number of suitable locations to take the numbers expected.
Beatrice maybe wanted something different to the other three recent royal brides.
How many ways can you change St.Georges chapel to make it unique for you.
She maybe didn't want a re run of her sisters wedding.
The palace has huge gardens, it will be coming into garden party season so everything already in place, if bad weather easily step in to the palace, plenty of space there.
I find it sad that people assume that Beatrices choices are driven by gossip and innuendo.
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Old 02-08-2020, 11:55 AM
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I agree that her wedding is harldy "ruined". She is still a rich girl who is the queen's granddaugther and she will have a quite nice wedding. But it wont be a public one. Eugenie's was not broadcast except as part of Good Morning Britain. or whatever the show Is caused...
I don't know if it got that much attention from the public. But that is partly because people just aren't that interested in every royal getting married nowadays. Royal weddings aren't that popular. Even Harry, the brother of a future King was married at Windsor. And the Andrew scandal has completely knocked a public wedding on the head. Bea can harldly want her father to be leading her into the church with the public watching... People wouldn't be rude, but I think there would be rather a chill....
I disagree that royal weddings aren't popular.

Regarding Eugenie's wedding, her wedding was broadcast live in Great Britain, Australia, the U.S., and probably other places. IIRC it was also re-broadcast in the U.S. The British and Australian outlets that covered the wedding got much higher ratings than they usually got for the timeslot. A crowd showed up at the church and people lined the streets in the town of Windsor along the route of the carriage ride.
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Old 02-08-2020, 11:57 AM
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There could be the possibility that due to the couples apparent huge circle of friends it was actually easier to keep the service small ( by royal standards ) then a huge party at the palace. Posters have said on here that there was a limit to the number of suitable locations to take the numbers expected.
Beatrice maybe wanted something different to the other three recent royal brides.
How many ways can you change St.Georges chapel to make it unique for you.
She maybe didn't want a re run of her sisters wedding.
The palace has huge gardens, it will be coming into garden party season so everything already in place, if bad weather easily step in to the palace, plenty of space there.
I find it sad that people assume that Beatrices choices are driven by gossip and innuendo.
I agree - just because this isn't the wedding WE wanted it doesn't mean it's not the wedding Beatrice and Edo want.
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Old 02-08-2020, 01:08 PM
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ITN have said that the wedding will feature as an item in news programmes, so, whilst there won't be full TV coverage, it does sound as if we'll get some video coverage, at least of everyone arriving and leaving.


I hope it's not all hidden away. That'd give the impression that there was something to be ashamed of, and Beatrice and Edo have certainly done nothing to be ashamed of.
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Old 02-08-2020, 01:40 PM
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ITN have said that the wedding will feature as an item in news programmes, so, whilst there won't be full TV coverage, it does sound as if we'll get some video coverage, at least of everyone arriving and leaving.


I hope it's not all hidden away. That'd give the impression that there was something to be ashamed of, and Beatrice and Edo have certainly done nothing to be ashamed of.
I think they will bring the Associated Press in to film arrivals of guests/bride etc and these images will then be used by the new outlets. This is what Lady Gabriella did and Lady Davina Windsor when she married at KP. I only recently discovered the AP wedding footage of Davina's wedding on YouTube if anyone is interested to have a look.
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A link to Lady Gabriella Windsor's christening at the Chapel Royal, St. James's Palace. This bit of film gives a little idea of the size of the courtyard outside the chapel where Beatrice's car will probably draw up. You don't really see much of the courtyard in film of the Cambridge christenings and it's a bit bigger than I thought.

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail...tage/814428164
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