Andrew's future outside of the working BRF

[Lilyflo]

I agree that losing his status would be hard for him. I don't think he's had a subservient, unseen role for decades and he won't know what else to do with himself now.

I can't see him being interested in estate management (even if he could be trained to do it). I suspect he will continue to seek high profile, public-facing engagements and Charles (with William) will keep blocking him.

[Leopoldine]

Originally Posted by Lilyflo

I agree that losing his status would be hard for him. I don't think he's had a subservient, unseen role for decades and he won't know what else to do with himself now.

I can't see him being interested in estate management (even if he could be trained to do it). I suspect he will continue to seek high profile, public-facing engagements and Charles (with William) will keep blocking him.

Some years ago it was actually William who had training in the areas of forestry, livestock management, arable farming etc. Perhaps Charles sees William taking on some sort of role in the management of the Windsor estate.

As far as I know, Andrew has no training or experience in the business of agriculture. With Charles as King, any senior management role on the estates will have to contend with Charles's enthusiasm for non-GMO organic farming balanced with the need for the estates to make money. Princess Anne has spoken out in favor of GMO crops in the past. She is a knowledgeable landowner who needs her estate to make money. Andrew has never had to consider these matters before.

This may seem a frivolous or tongue-in-cheek suggestion, but running a golf course might be an enjoyable and suitable berth for Andrew. Manicured fairways and various pest control methods are not looked upon favorably by Charles, but he can't eliminate every golf course in the UK.

[Lilyflo]

Originally Posted by Leopoldine

This may seem a frivolous or tongue-in-cheek suggestion, but running a golf course might be an enjoyable and suitable berth for Andrew.

It's an interesting and amusing suggestion but he'd be employed by the owner(s) and I don't think he'd want that secondary position. He'd see a role like 'golf club manager' as way beneath him. I think he'd consider company directorships but who would want his name on their board?

Charities don't want him, the military doesn't want him, the crown doesn't want him and the government doesn't want him. He scuppered all his chances when he said on TV that he didn't regret his friendship with a convicted sex offender. I don't think he can ever undo that.

[Kataryn]

Originally Posted by Denville

For one thing they are different people. However i dont think that Charles would be happy wiht his painting and gardening even now. He is a workaholic. and as for Andrew, in losing his work he has lost a lot of status. Im sure he feels that.

Yes, that. Makes me wonder if Andrew does understand that he himself forced the Royal family to distance from him, that all the shenanigans with Sarah, his own shady business deals etc. lay the basis for his absolute shame of being caught as a friend of a pedophile and accused bedpartner of a quite young girl. I'm not sure that accusation alone would have led to that effect but his friendship with Epstein was one in a long line of not so pleasant friendships, what with oligarchs or some Arabic princes with bad reputation. I am not able to decide if Andrew actively sought these shady relationships, if Sarah's endless search for easy money got him into that or if he simply didn't care about what some advisors may have told him about these people because he was a Prince and thus untouchable. Anyway, it led to where he is now but looking back, you cannot say that he doesn't deserve to stand outside now, the love of his mother not withstanding.

[muriel]

Originally Posted by Lilyflo

I agree that losing his status would be hard for him. I don't think he's had a subservient, unseen role for decades and he won't know what else to do with himself now.

I can't see him being interested in estate management (even if he could be trained to do it). I suspect he will continue to seek high profile, public-facing engagements and Charles (with William) will keep blocking him.

Quite right.

[muriel]

Originally Posted by Leopoldine

Some years ago it was actually William who had training in the areas of forestry, livestock management, arable farming etc. Perhaps Charles sees William taking on some sort of role in the management of the Windsor estate.

As far as I know, Andrew has no training or experience in the business of agriculture. With Charles as King, any senior management role on the estates will have to contend with Charles's enthusiasm for non-GMO organic farming balanced with the need for the estates to make money. Princess Anne has spoken out in favor of GMO crops in the past. She is a knowledgeable landowner who needs her estate to make money. Andrew has never had to consider these matters before.

This may seem a frivolous or tongue-in-cheek suggestion, but running a golf course might be an enjoyable and suitable berth for Andrew. Manicured fairways and various pest control methods are not looked upon favorably by Charles, but he can't eliminate every golf course in the UK.

William did indeed do a course in land management at Cambridge, but that was really to prepare him for the role of Duke of Cornwall. the Duchy has vast hoding of land, and whilst it is run by professionals, it is important for the Duke of the day to understand the underlying issues that the Duchy might face, so as to provide some direction to the team running the business.

[Erin9]

Originally Posted by Kataryn

Yes, that. Makes me wonder if Andrew does understand that he himself forced the Royal family to distance from him, that all the shenanigans with Sarah, his own shady business deals etc. lay the basis for his absolute shame of being caught as a friend of a pedophile and accused bedpartner of a quite young girl. I'm not sure that accusation alone would have led to that effect but his friendship with Epstein was one in a long line of not so pleasant friendships, what with oligarchs or some Arabic princes with bad reputation. I am not able to decide if Andrew actively sought these shady relationships, if Sarah's endless search for easy money got him into that or if he simply didn't care about what some advisors may have told him about these people because he was a Prince and thus untouchable. Anyway, it led to where he is now but looking back, you cannot say that he doesn't deserve to stand outside now, the love of his mother not withstanding.

Andrew just seems to have consistently poor judgment. The Epstein issue alone blew up because of a series of bad decisions on his part. That’s setting aside other issues. Maybe it’s partially due to arrogance. IDK. But he just didn’t seem to learn from past mistakes.

The current situation must be difficult for him though. What exactly can he- realistically- do now? I more than get his desire to do more than ride horses at Windsor and whatever other hobbies he enjoys. Especially when he was raised around workaholics and was used to being busy with set schedules himself. (Not to mention watching everyone else carry on without him.)

Being forcibly retired at a young age would be difficult. Even people who choose to retire often struggle with what to do with their time. And they haven’t been publicly ostracized.

But- this situation was self created on his part.

[Lilyflo]

There's plenty he could do if he didn't consider most work beneath him. I'm sure there's a vast amount to do on the Windsor Estate from painting & decorating to gardening to hedge trimming etc. Indoor jobs might include helping with the Windsor archives (I bet there's loads of stuff to catalogue) or working in the stables. He's unlikely to do anything like that though so I don't feel sorry for him at all.

[rominet09]

Originally Posted by Lilyflo

There's plenty he could do if he didn't consider most work beneath him. I'm sure there's a vast amount to do on the Windsor Estate from painting & decorating to gardening to hedge trimming etc. Indoor jobs might include helping with the Windsor archives (I bet there's loads of stuff to catalogue) or working in the stables. He's unlikely to do anything like that though so I don't feel sorry for him at all.

Lovely to read but i don't think we will ever see him doing these things !

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Lilyflo

There's plenty he could do if he didn't consider most work beneath him. I'm sure there's a vast amount to do on the Windsor Estate from painting & decorating to gardening to hedge trimming etc. Indoor jobs might include helping with the Windsor archives (I bet there's loads of stuff to catalogue) or working in the stables. He's unlikely to do anything like that though so I don't feel sorry for him at all.

really?? i simply cant see him doig anyting like this even if he had an aptitude for it, which I dont htink he does

[Tatiana Maria]

Originally Posted by Denville

really?? i simply cant see him doig anyting like this even if he had an aptitude for it, which I dont htink he does

Isn't that was Lilyflo was saying?

Interesting detail from the Telegraph: According to the preprinted program and seating plan, the Duke of York was supposed to not only participate in the procession along with the senior royals, but to be seated in the front row with the Duchess of Cornwall and the Princess Royal at the church service.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-fa...ic-appearance/

[Denville]

I meant that due ot Andrew's status, I dont think it would ever be considered as suitable work for him... if it were a prince of |Willaims generation, perhaps that issue would not arise. but I dont think Andrew's got many aptitudes anyway, and would not wnat to learn

[Roderick]

The whole business of Prince Andrew has ended but the rubbish media won't let it lie by claiming he's somehow trying to claw his way back into public life, against the wishes of his family. The Queen's statement in January said that he would continue not to undertake any royal duties and although it's artfully worded, it can surely be taken as a permanent arrangement?

[Lilyflo]

Originally Posted by Denville

I meant that due ot Andrew's status, I dont think it would ever be considered as suitable work for him.

Andrew's status is an unrepentant friend to a convicted sex offender, lowered further by his vast payout to one of Epstein's sex-trafficked teenagers. He has rock-bottom public approval and if he wants to be useful, he needs to recognise that there's no kind of work that's beneath him. He won't do that though and his ex wife doesn't help matters by keeping up a public profile while flogging her latest book/range of overpriced tat.

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by Roderick

The whole business of Prince Andrew has ended but the rubbish media won't let it lie by claiming he's somehow trying to claw his way back into public life, against the wishes of his family. The Queen's statement in January said that he would continue not to undertake any royal duties and although it's artfully worded, it can surely be taken as a permanent arrangement?

The fact that Andrew was supposed to attend both the service in St Paul's and the full garter programme but pulled out or was pulled out shows that the family is still figuring out how to deal with his new position. So, I don't think it has 'ended' yet.

[Alison H]

The Queen and the Prince of Wales are the only royals whose birthdays will be marked by the flying of Union flags on UK Government buildings amid changes made in the wake of the row over the Duke of York. Andrew has been cut from the list on the Government’s website but so have the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, the Duchess of Cornwall, the Earl and Countess of Wessex and the Princess Royal.

The Sun reported the wider cull of family members was made to spare any embarrassment for Andrew.

The Sun isn't exactly the most reliable of sources, but all the other papers have picked it up. I don't suppose that Camilla and the others actually give two hoots whether or not flags are flown on their birthdays, but it seems rather mean for them all to be penalised because no-one wants to say out loud that Andrew is now persona non grata. It's like a teacher punishing the whole class because one kid has misbehaved.

[Tatiana Maria]

I'm not clear on the source of the quote, but the amendments were published on the official website of the British Government in February. See the discussion in The Protocol Thread .

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria

On February 11, the Government updated the list of designated days when it is compulsory for the national Union flag to be flown over government buildings in Great Britain.

Amy Sharpe of The Mirror reported that the decision was taken in consultation with Buckingham Palace and, according to an anonymous Whitehall source, it was taken due to the scandal around Prince Andrew. The update occurred four days before the Duke of York and Virginia Giuffre announced the settlement of their court case.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...ation-26215549




However, not only the Duke of York's birthday (February 19) has been removed from the list. In 2021, the list of designated days for flying the Union Flag on UK government buildings included the birthdays of:

the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh
the Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall
the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
the Duke of York
the Earl and Countess of Wessex
the Princess Royal

In the updated list for 2022, the designated birthdays have been trimmed down to the Queen and the Prince of Wales.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/designat...on-flag-flying

[Somebody]

It's most likely popping up today because of William's birthday tomorrow...

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Lilyflo

Andrew's status is an unrepentant friend to a convicted sex offender, lowered further by his vast payout to one of Epstein's sex-trafficked teenagers. He has rock-bottom public approval and if he wants to be useful, he needs to recognise that there's no kind of work that's beneath him. He won't do that though and his ex wife doesn't help matters by keeping up a public profile while flogging her latest book/range of overpriced tat.

Im referring to his status as a Prince. he was brought up differnetly to younger royals like Will and Harry, as the queen's son.. and he himself is arrogant. I dont think he would consider any kind of work other than the sort of work he is used to doing and that's out of the question. and even if he did try his hand at somehting like he idd before, packing meals for NHS staff, he would not be accepted doing that.

[Kataryn]

Originally Posted by Denville

Im referring to his status as a Prince. he was brought up differnetly to younger royals like Will and Harry, as the queen's son.. and he himself is arrogant. I dont think he would consider any kind of work other than the sort of work he is used to doing and that's out of the question. and even if he did try his hand at somehting like he idd before, packing meals for NHS staff, he would not be accepted doing that.

He should have to learn that it is an honour to be asked to do public duties as a prince and that he has to have something besides being a queen's son. That it is just laurels in advance you get for having been born Royal but that you have to work your whole life to earn (he did in the military, IMHO) and to keep them - that he didn't when he became associated with all those oligarchs, killer princes from the orient and finally paedophils from the US.



But I doubt he can learn at his age, so he should just sit quiet at home doing nothing.At least nothing embarrassing. He has a suitable home with Royal prestige (The "Royal" Lodge), he has a Royal stable with horses close by (he could take up carriage driving, if he is bored), he surely has a valet, butler, cook and a wine cellar, a TV-set - why can't he live quietly at home, with all the trappings he is used to apart from people who lick his boots [.....]. His mother will see to it that he has enough money to spent at home, there are all kind of delivery services and there really is no need for him to venture outside apart from the one holiday or the other. A lot of heirs of old money live that way and you never hear anything about or from them. Why can't Andrew do that?