Andrew & Sarah: Marriage, Divorce and Divorce Settlement

[muriel]

Originally Posted by Kataryn

Just read in the Daily Fail that Andrew and Fergie visited the queen several times since Philip's death. It seems they appear like a couple even when visiting HMS Bubble...

Andrew and Sarah may be a couple, but I just cannot see the point of them gettinbg married. They live as a couple and a family, and marriage will only bring attention they can do without at this stage.

[Moonmaiden23]

I think it's pretty much quietly acknowledged by HM and the rest of the Royal Family that Andrew and Sarah are married in all but name now. I used to believe that they would once again legalize their union but I no longer think they will...for many of the reasons already listed here.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23

I think it's pretty much quietly acknowledged by HM and the rest of the Royal Family that Andrew and Sarah are married in all but name now. I used to believe that they would once again legalize their union but I no longer think they will...for many of the reasons already listed here.

They are not "married in all but name". Both of them have had long periods of other relationships, and its just that they live in the same house when they are boht in England.. and are close ot their girls. At present, they are boht stuck in the UK, as they can't travel and Andrew no longer has his royal job.. but they are not anyting like married.

[muriel]

Originally Posted by Denville

They are not "married in all but name". Both of them have had long periods of other relationships, and its just that they live in the same house when they are boht in England.. and are close ot their girls. At present, they are boht stuck in the UK, as they can't travel and Andrew no longer has his royal job.. but they are not anyting like married.

I know they both had other relationships and had plenty of time as divorced parents, but for the last few years, to me, they come across as a couple.

[Tatiana Maria]

Originally Posted by Denville

They are not "married in all but name". Both of them have had long periods of other relationships, [...]

Isn't it rather common for married couples in the British aristocracy to have other relationships, sometimes by mutual consent?

[Denville]

Originally Posted by muriel

I know they both had other relationships and had plenty of time as divorced parents, but for the last few years, to me, they come across as a couple.

I think it suits them to do that. Andrew seems to have given up on any romantic relationships per se.. and Fergie doesn't seem to have any real boyfriends these days. And with his enforced retirement and her being stuck at home due to Covid, they are stuck in Royal lodge and probably enjoy each other's company as friends and keep in touch with their daughters. Sarah defends Andrew, in public since his disgrace and he has always tried to protect her.. so its probably a case of a half loaf of companionship is better than no bread at all. They may feel that it makes them look good to be a happily divorced but living togehter couple, rahter than 2 lonely individuals.. Of course for many people it problaby looks like "two people who bring out the worst in each other, clinging together for protection."

[Lilyflo]

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria

Isn't it rather common for married couples in the British aristocracy to have other relationships, sometimes by mutual consent?

That used to be the case when people married for money/position and divorce wasn't an option but now that they're all free to marry for love, the level of tolerance for extra-marital affairs is the same as everybody else's.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria

Isn't it rather common for married couples in the British aristocracy to have other relationships, sometimes by mutual consent?

Not so much nowadays. It used to be a case when divorce was considered unacceptable for couples to have other lovers, but some of them did still maintain a friendly closeness with their partner but have separate love lives. However nowadays, couples who find other loves are more likley to get divorced....
I think one of the reasons that Andrew wanted a divorce was that Sarah was bored with him and seeing other men and he was angry and hurt and did not want to continue the marriage...
However over time, I think that Andrew still retained a protective feeling towards her, and wanted to look after her.. and she began to regret ending the marriage because she was on her own, her love relationships didn't seem to work out and she had money troubles.. so they fell into a pattern of his keeping an eye on her and helping her out. But it probably made it difficult for him to have any serious romantic relationships, with his ongoing ties to Sarah... and it was probably bad for them both in that they both got into friendships with dubious people in order to make money...and both ended up with their ties to Epstein...

[Moonmaiden23]

Originally Posted by muriel

I know they both had other relationships and had plenty of time as divorced parents, but for the last few years, to me, they come across as a couple.

To me as well. Regardless of who they have been with in the past, they are together now and they were for quite a while BEFORE the pandemic...when they were free to be with others.

My guess is that they have settled into a comfortable life together and it will stay that way.

As for the naysayers....time will tell I suppose.

[Kataryn]

Originally Posted by Denville

They are not "married in all but name". Both of them have had long periods of other relationships, and its just that they live in the same house when they are boht in England.. and are close ot their girls. At present, they are boht stuck in the UK, as they can't travel and Andrew no longer has his royal job.. but they are not anyting like married.

I am always stunned by how absolutely assured you post your "opinions". But okay.


Maybe they are so deeply funded in their belief that divorce doesn't work for them because they married and made their promises to each other in church. Even if they did not stay true to each other, they might still believe that their vows are still existant. And how can HM do anything but agree with them? If it is so...

[Heavs]

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria

Isn't it rather common for married couples in the British aristocracy to have other relationships, sometimes by mutual consent?

Sure but that didn't stop them divorcing the first time. And it's different from when you're in the "modern" BRF to the BRF of 100 years ago or aristocratic marriages out of the limelight at any time.

Whilst they're not married they can do what they like and no one will bat an eyelid but if they get married and are then spotted having an intimate meal with someone else, combined with their scandals past and present all hell would break loose (again).

I honestly don't know what their current relationship is or if they have ever wanted to get married again before or after the 2019 interview but I also think "they'll get married again after Philip dies" is something of a royal watching urban legend that would cause them a lot of closer inspection "in the public interest" into their current lives that they really, really don't want right now.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Kataryn

I am always stunned by how absolutely assured you post your "opinions". But okay.


Maybe they are so deeply funded in their belief that divorce doesn't work for them because they married and made their promises to each other in church. Even if they did not stay true to each other, they might still believe that their vows are still existant. And how can HM do anything but agree with them? If it is so...

I think that's quite a leap to imagine that they are so religious that they feel their vows are still binding them... I remember things, and I remember that Sarah was the one who wanted out of the marriage.. Andrew didn't at first but when he realised that Sarah was fed up wiht him, and openly unfaithful, I think he felt angry and that she had made a fool of him and he too wanted a divorce....

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Heavs

Sure but that didn't stop them divorcing the first time. And it's different from when you're in the "modern" BRF to the BRF of 100 years ago or aristocratic marriages out of the limelight at any time.


I honestly don't know if they have ever wanted to get married again before or after the 2019 interview but I also think "they'll get married again after Philip dies" is something of a royal watching urban legend that would cause them a lot of closer inspection "in the public interest" into their current lives that they really, really don't want right now.

I think that people seem to want to believe that they "really loved each other" and that it was the RF and particularly Philip who pushed Sarah out and has never changed his mind about her... but I must say I didn't expect that people would start imagining them getting married right now..
The truth is that although they started out with a bit in common, and were in love for a while, Sarah wasn't much good at being royal.. and she and Andrew didn't have that much in common. And within a few years Andrew's arrogant nature, his boring ways, her silliness etc etc had driven a wedge between them...
over time, I think they have developed a different sort of bond, but its to do with their mutual need for money and love of pleasure, and probably they have long since moved on in terms of romantic partnerships... and basically its not really that healthy a bond. I dont think that Andrew was as greedy for money, during his marriage.. I think that when Sarah got continually into debt after the divorce, he tried to help her but it was in dubious ways.. and I think that he began to resent the fact that he had a lot less money than his brother and again, he got more and more into a messy lifestyle of associating with dubious people to get hold of more money and easily available girls.. and Sarah has defended him because she needs a constant supply of money.....

[princess gertrude]

For myself, I will admit that many years ago I did think that maybe they would remarry after Prince Phillip died. But.....I do not think that now. I believe that too many things have happened in the last 5-10 years for them to remarry. I truly believe that they "live" together" for mutual companionship and financial reasons.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by princess gertrude

For myself, I will admit that many years ago I did think that maybe they would remarry after Prince Phillip died. But.....I do not think that now. I believe that too many things have happened in the last 5-10 years for them to remarry. I truly believe that they "live" together" for mutual companionship and financial reasons.

I think a lot of it is convenience. They get on well, they have at present no other romantic involvements, as far as one can tell and Andrew is pretty much confined to his home area. And Fergie needs a home and at present cant travel abroad. So it suits them to share a home. they have a base and have each other to turn to ... and form a money point of view, Fergie usually over spends, so I think she'd be very reluctant to give up her home with Andrew.

[queen dolly]

I realey dont care if S and A are married but if they are happy togetherthen it is not our buisnish !!!

[Mirabel]

Originally Posted by Denville

I think a lot of it is convenience. They get on well, they have at present no other romantic involvements, as far as one can tell and Andrew is pretty much confined to his home area. And Fergie needs a home and at present cant travel abroad. So it suits them to share a home. they have a base and have each other to turn to ... and form a money point of view, Fergie usually over spends, so I think she'd be very reluctant to give up her home with Andrew.

I agree.
Fergie never seems to have enough money, and where else could she live in a royal residence with servants, transportation, etc., and all for free?

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Mirabel

I agree.
Fergie never seems to have enough money, and where else could she live in a royal residence with servants, transportation, etc., and all for free?

True, I think that people romanticise the relationship and think that Sarah and Andrew are True Love.. and that withtout Philip in the way or the RF, they'd remarry.. but while I think They are good pals and get on well, there's a lot of convenience in the relationship..
Sarah has depended on Andrew for years for a connection (with her girls) to the RF, and for a home.. and he now I think depends on her because he is probably very isolated...

[Leopoldine]

I think the Duke of York, in his latest public appearance, may have been wearing an undergarment to minimize his attractive bulk.

[Denville]

Attractive bulk?