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Old 10-03-2021, 08:47 AM
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Also according to the government of Italy, where the former nobility and titles have no legal recognition according to the Transitory and Final Provisions of the Constitution.

https://www.quirinale.it/allegati_st...ne_inglese.pdf




See the link for the interview with Alessandro Mapelli Mozzi.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...osher-own.html

Notwithstanding his interview, Buckingham Palace named Alessandro as "Mr." in the announcement of Beatrice and Edo's engagement.

https://www.royal.uk/her-royal-highn...ged-be-married

Which is correct since, in the UK, he is just a plain Mr. Nevertheless, reading the Daily Mail article, I was impressed by Mr Mapelli Mozzi's family pedigree and surprised to see that his connection to Italy is stronger than I thought even though his family has been living in Britain for a long time.

It is really unfortunate that the Italian Republic no longer officially recognizes nobility and the orders of the House of Savoy, some of which like the Ordine della Annunziata are almost as old as the Order of the Garter. I respect republican ideals of equality, but my opinion is that nobility and knighthood in Europe should be seen as part of the historical heritage of the continent and, therefore, the use of noble titles should not be banned or forbidden by republics, although it should have no privilege attached thereto and it is OK that no new titles be granted.
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Old 10-03-2021, 10:19 AM
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Sienna Mapelli Mozzi is not the first royal Sienna. Princess Margaretha, Mrs. Ambler, the eldest sister of the King of Sweden, has a granddaughter named Sienna Ambler (born in 2000), and there is a Countess Sienna Bernadotte af Wisborg (born in 2015) who is a descendant of Prince Oscar of Sweden, Duke of Gotland. Both Siennas were born in the UK.


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Which is correct since, in the UK, he is just a plain Mr.
Alessandro does call himself a count in the UK; I believe his announcement of his daughter's engagement in the Telegraph, in which he is addressed as Count, was posted somewhere on this forum. But he would correctly be a plain Mr. on any official papers in the UK or Italy, and I assume in his native Argentina as well.
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Old 10-05-2021, 02:33 AM
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Sienna Elizabeth Mapelli Mozzi is lovely.

I like the S initial, for Sarah, and reddish burnt colour connection.
Elizabeth is a perfect choice.
Beatrice and Edoardo have chosen a name that Sienna will like.
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Old 10-07-2021, 07:56 PM
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An anonymous family friend of the couple discussed the choice of name with Hello magazine.

A family friend of the couple has now explained the sweet meaning behind the name Sienna.

"They were looking for an Italian name which started with an S for Sarah, to honour the Duchess [Sarah Ferguson], and also reflected the golden rust colour of both the Duchess's hair colour and Beatrice's, which the new baby shares," they said.

The friend's explanation seems a bit confused, as Sienna is an English name, rather than an Italian one. It is, however, inspired by the Italian city of Siena.

Unlike some English names, the name Sienna has not caught on in Italy. While Sienna was the 23rd most popular name for girls born in England in 2019, the name was given to just 12 newborn girls in Italy in 2019. In comparison, Evelyn, the 22nd most popular name for girls born in England, was given to 216 girls born in Italy.
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Old 10-07-2021, 08:22 PM
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An anonymous family friend of the couple discussed the choice of name with Hello magazine.

A family friend of the couple has now explained the sweet meaning behind the name Sienna.

"They were looking for an Italian name which started with an S for Sarah, to honour the Duchess [Sarah Ferguson], and also reflected the golden rust colour of both the Duchess's hair colour and Beatrice's, which the new baby shares," they said.

The friend's explanation seems a bit confused, as Sienna is an English name, rather than an Italian one. It is, however, inspired by the Italian city of Siena.

Unlike some English names, the name Sienna has not caught on in Italy. While Sienna was the 23rd most popular name for girls born in England in 2019, the name was given to just 12 newborn girls in Italy in 2019. In comparison, Evelyn, the 22nd most popular name for girls born in England, was given to 216 girls born in Italy.
Assuming that Hello! did have an actual source, that is easily explained by English born Beatrice and Edo going for the "Italian inspired" popular with English name Sienna, especially because of it's connection to her hair colour.

The message being "Italian sounding name that started with S for Sarah, suits the baby because of her hair and is classic but modern and works well with Christopher/Wolfie."

I'm pretty sure I saw articles saying "August was for Andrew" 8 months ago as well and it's possible that those initials were a factor.
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Old 10-14-2021, 12:57 AM
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What is the possibility of a double christening?
August and Sienna christened at the same service could be a goer.
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Old 10-14-2021, 01:31 AM
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A family friend of the couple has now explained the sweet meaning behind the name Sienna.

"They were looking for an Italian name which started with an S for Sarah, to honour the Duchess [Sarah Ferguson], and also reflected the golden rust colour of both the Duchess's hair colour and Beatrice's, which the new baby shares," they said.
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I'm pretty sure I saw articles saying "August was for Andrew" 8 months ago as well and it's possible that those initials were a factor.


They probably mean a (English) name related to Italy rather than an actual Italian name.

I don't realize August's "A" for Andrew and Sienna's "S" for Sarah, a nice subtle way to honor the sisters' parent.
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Old 10-14-2021, 02:14 AM
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What is the possibility of a double christening?
August and Sienna christened at the same service could be a goer.
The problem with a double christening is the christening gown. Which baby wears it and which one misses out on the tradition of that gown, or its predecessor, in which their mother's were christened?
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Old 10-14-2021, 02:35 AM
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I think that they made 2 replicate christening gown - so it might be possible.
There is no way that August, Lukas and Lili will fit into the gown however. All of them are already too big. The gowns are for 3-4 month olds. So I think that boat has sailed. But then again maybe the second gown was made at a different size?

That been said - there was additional fabric sourced when Angela Kelly made the replicates. So maybe they can make a hat, bib or ribbon so that there is still a link of some sort.
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Old 10-14-2021, 02:52 AM
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Who said the gown is for 3 - 4 months old babies. Eugenie was 9 months old when she was baptised in the original gown and the replica (one was made ... I don't know where the rumour that two were made started but all the official accounts I have read say one was made) was to the same size so they should still be able to fit.
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Old 10-14-2021, 03:10 AM
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I have read from several different sources over the years that Eugenie was too big for the gown and they had difficulty fitting her in it. So much so that the back of the gown couldn’t be fastened up and so Eugenie was wrapped in a shawl to hide the opening.
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Old 10-14-2021, 03:40 AM
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I think it was in Angela Kelly's book but might be wrong. Not near the book at the moment.
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Old 10-14-2021, 08:10 AM
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There is no mention about that in Kellys book, The other side of the coin.
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Old 10-14-2021, 08:49 AM
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Angela wasn’t working as the Queen’s dresser in 1990, the date of Eugenie’s baptism. She didn’t begin work in the Royal Household until 1994. I remember first reading about Eugenie and the tight christening gown (the original gown) soon after the christening at Sandringham.
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Old 10-14-2021, 09:10 AM
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The book states that the original gown was showing wear , a new one was commissioned by the Queen , Angela does say she made it slightly bigger than the original as babies nowadays are bigger than in Victorian times. There is no mention of fitting a particular age. I.e
3 months 4 months.
There was only one new gown made with one or two slight changes from the original at the request of the queen. She also refers to it as the Queen Elizabeth 2 gown.
I am not sure if that is how it is now known or Angela worded like that for clarity when she was describing it.
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