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Here in the U.S. the newspaper THE NEW YORK SUN ran an article today titled, "Queen's Grandson Stirs up Scandal with Catholic Fiancee." It goes on to say that, "Peter Phillips, the queen's eldest grandson, may have to give up his place in the line of succession to the throne after it emerged that his bride-to-be is a Roman Catholic. The engagement between the 29-year-old son of the Princess Royal and Autumn Kelly, a Canadian management consultant, was announced by Buckingham Palace last week. But no mention was made that Ms. Kelly, 31, had been baptized as a Catholic, a fact that could prove embarrassing to the royal family and the government."
There is a great picture of Peter Phillips and Autumn Kelly. She is quite pretty and he is very good looking. In fact, at first glance, I thought he was Prince William.
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Here in the U.S. the newspaper THE NEW YORK SUN ran an article today titled, "Queen's Grandson Stirs up Scandal with Catholic Fiancee." It goes on to say that, "Peter Phillips, the queen's eldest grandson, may have to give up his place in the line of succession to the throne after it emerged that his bride-to-be is a Roman Catholic. The engagement between the 29-year-old son of the Princess Royal and Autumn Kelly, a Canadian management consultant, was announced by Buckingham Palace last week. But no mention was made that Ms. Kelly, 31, had been baptized as a Catholic, a fact that could prove embarrassing to the royal family and the government."
There is a great picture of Peter Phillips and Autumn Kelly. She is quite pretty and he is very good looking. In fact, at first glance, I thought he was Prince William.
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Good heavens, you would think that the New York Times would have better editorial judgment than to use the word "scandal" in a headline to describe this sitaution? He's 10th in line to the throne ... this isn't a constitutional crisis! And, by the way, the step-children of the heir to throne are Catholic. Someone please bring these people into the 21st century! 
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08-03-2007, 05:00 PM
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So again US press/media knows better than British what happen inside BRF...
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08-03-2007, 05:10 PM
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It's the New York Sun, not the New York Times.
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08-03-2007, 05:31 PM
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I wonder if she convert? Why: because they didn't give a date and maybe they want time for her conversion. But if she didin't do that than what would happen? Probably nothing only Peter "renouncing" the succession and his children will be raised as Anglicans.
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08-03-2007, 06:32 PM
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The published reports that used the word "renounce" are inaccurate and misleading. He won't have to do any renouncing. If he marries a Catholic he just simply won't be eligible for the throne...no fomal renouncing required...it just happens.
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08-04-2007, 04:24 AM
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Good heavens, you would think that the New York Times would have better editorial judgment than to use the word "scandal" in a headline to describe this sitaution? He's 10th in line to the throne ... this isn't a constitutional crisis! And, by the way, the step-children of the heir to throne are Catholic. Someone please bring these people into the 21st century! |
Sorry, but it is scandalize. Replace the term Catholic for Jew, and everyone would be in uproar.
But well prejudice against Catholics is the last acceptable prejudice. And what's sickening about it is well that for centuries England was ruled by Catholic kings and queens. Until one man, literally by the sword, decided to change everything. And the fact that Henry changed it all by the sword is a fact. People weren't given a vote, and Catholics were cruelly persecuted.
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08-04-2007, 07:52 AM
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Disqualification from the line of succession for those who marry Roman Catholics has been a parliamentary law since 1701.
Further discussion of this topic is more appropriate in the Act of Settlement thread.
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08-04-2007, 09:57 AM
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08-04-2007, 11:58 AM
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New pics of Peter and Autumn posing camera.. They look lovely couple
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he's quite handsome isn't he. i noticed too that a wedding date hadn't been mentioned. i wonder why? isn't unusual for BP to make an announcement without having wedding date set?
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Here's another very nice close up pic of the couple  :
Peter Phillips, eldest grandson of Queen Elizabeth II, with Canadian fiance Autumn Kelly pose for pictures at a horse show at Gatcombe Park, Gloucestershire, England Saturday Aug. 4, 2007. Philips, the son of Princess Anne, The Princess Royal, recently announced his engagement to Kelly, who can be seen wearing a diamond ring. Phillips will have to renounce his 10th place in the line of the succession to the Throne upon marriage due to the Act of Settlement of 1701 which bars monarchs and their heirs from becoming or marrying Catholics. (AP Photo/Barry Batchelor/PA)
---> Peter and Autumn 4.8.2007
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Does anyone know if they will have a Catholic, Anglican, or combination Catholic-Anglican wedding (with priests from both faiths)?
Is it too hopeful to expect that the Parliament will change the Act of Settlement -- if I am not mistaken, isn't Peter the closest heir in recent times to be marrying a Catholic?
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08-05-2007, 01:08 AM
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Good heavens, you would think that the New York Times would have better editorial judgment than to use the word "scandal" in a headline to describe this sitaution?
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Why? The New York Times is a rag. Just google their name and "Feldman" and see why, for starters. And let's not even mention their several reporters who made up stories, and the editors just let is slide. . .
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08-05-2007, 08:36 AM
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Beautiful engagement ring
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08-05-2007, 03:32 PM
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The ring is beautiful, I think Peter will renounce his place in the order of succession and I don't think it will bother him. Not having a title hasn't made any difference to either him or Zara in fact it has probably helped them get on better with their lives.
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08-05-2007, 06:10 PM
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Peter doesn't have to 'renounce' anything.
Until, or unless, he is actually in a position to be king - i.e. everyone ahead of him with a claim to the throne is deceased, the Act of Settlement won't really do anything.
Only if the 9 people ahead of him (soon to be 10 when Sophie gives birth) all die will his marriage to a RC actually have an effect at all.
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