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Old 11-12-2016, 05:50 PM
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The King and Queen have been very unlucky with state visits and foreign trips in general!!!
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Hopefully 3rd time lucky: The visit is now to take place in January.
El Rey Felipe retomar en enero su viaje frustrado a Arabia Saud, cancelado dos veces
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Old 01-01-2017, 09:39 AM
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Official Visit to Saudi-Arabia, February 2016

Contrary to the title of this thread, Letizia does not seem to be included in the visit probably for obvious reasons.
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Old 01-01-2017, 09:58 AM
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Contrary to the title of this thread, Letizia does not seem to be included in the visit probably for obvious reasons.
She was scheduled to attend the first time around but since then casa real has changed the policy of Queen Letizia:

Felipe VI will assume exclusively the acts reserved for him according to the Magna Carta and Doa Letizia will accompany him at State events or where she will be a supposed asset and be "close to the people". Sources of the Crown confirm that the commented absence of the Queen at the swearing-in of Rajoy and the ministers responds to a decision "coordinated and studied" by the organs of the Royal House.

Saudia Arabia is stricly about business therefore Letizia will not be going.

In this case the right decision anyway, we all could see how out of place Mary looked when visiting this country.
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Old 01-01-2017, 10:37 AM
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Felipe VI will assume exclusively the acts reserved for him according to the Magna Carta and Doa Letizia will accompany him at State events or where she will be a supposed asset and be "close to the people".
i wonder what they mean effectively by 'where she will be a supposed asset and be "close to the people". ' theoretically, she can be an asset in any event, so such lax wording is a bit perplexing. almost makes me think that the alleged "coordinated and studied decision" is not so coordinated and studied, after all...
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Old 01-02-2017, 06:49 AM
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If the visit is a State Visit, Queen Letizia travels ... if the visit is simply a business trip, and based only on the business, the queen does not travel.

There are short trips based only on politics or business, where queen Letizia has no role, and her presence is not necessary. Even when he was a prince, Felipe made these trips alone. There are other trips, with more cultural and social acts, where her presence as a consort is necessary or adequate and she goes.

Queen Letizia, for her part, travels for cooperation or solidarity causes alone.

On the events in Spain, King Felipe will do solo events related to his constitutional role as Head of State. King Juan Carlos used to do many of these events alone, but Queen Sofia wanted to accompany him in others... something that other European consorts do not habitually do.

Normally the queen consort or prince consort in other European countries, do not attend the swearing of the new government, but queen Sofia always wanted to do it and they allowed it. Now Queen Letizia is keeping out of those events, and that has been news, and the Royal House has tried to explain how is the division of roles.
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Old 01-09-2017, 09:21 AM
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"At the invitation of His Majesty King Salman bin Abdelaziz al Saud, Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques of Islam, His Majesty the King will make an official trip to Saudi Arabia from January 14 to 16," the Foreign Ministry said.

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Is Queen Letizia also going on this visit?
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Given the above information, King Felipe is going solo. His spouse would have created unnecessary inconvenience for Saudi Arabia.
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Old 01-14-2017, 02:28 PM
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Spain's Monarch Arrives, in Riyadh

King of Spain Felipe VI and accompanying delegation arrived here tonight, on an official visit to the Kingdom.

Spain's Monarch Arrives, in Riyadh The official Saudi Press Agency

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King Felipe with a representation of the Spanish collectivity in Saudi Arabia

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Accomodating despots who spit on the most basal human rights. Anyway, all for business. It is not the King's own will, he just moulds into the wishes of the Spanish Government.

I hope he will make a diplomatic plea for human rights, democracy and tolerance. The idea that the female contributors on these royal forums will not be able to drive a car in Saudi-Arabia is too crazy for words.
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Old 01-15-2017, 10:08 AM
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The King met with the Trade and Investment and Finance ministers of Saudi Arabia

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Accomodating despots who spit on the most basal human rights. Anyway, all for business. It is not the King's own will, he just moulds into the wishes of the Spanish Government.

I hope he will make a diplomatic plea for human rights, democracy and tolerance. The idea that the female contributors on these royal forums will not be able to drive a car in Saudi-Arabia is too crazy for words.
At risk of sounding trite ... In what context could King Felipe "make a diplomatic plea for human rights, democracy and tolerance"? Investment beggars are in no position to lecture anyone.
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Exactly. If human rights were important, Felipe could have stayed at home but he went there to court the money, like all other western governments do. All this talk about democracy (or the way Europeans understand it) or human rights becomes a sham when doing business deals with the Saudis or China etc. In the end, its money that counts, not morals.
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Old 01-15-2017, 03:21 PM
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King Felipe visits the King Abdulaziz Historic Complex

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Old 01-15-2017, 06:24 PM
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Exactly. If human rights were important, Felipe could have stayed at home but he went there to court the money, like all other western governments do. All this talk about democracy (or the way Europeans understand it) or human rights becomes a sham when doing business deals with the Saudis or China etc. In the end, its money that counts, not morals.
I think that is more than a little harsh, displaying both ignorance and arrogance. It is not our place to tell other countries that they should live "democratically" as we do.

Our western societies are based on our histories, our culture, our values, so too are theirs. King Felipe should not be damned for visiting as the first steps in any season of change, starts with dialogue, and dialogue isn't possible if countries judge and boycott them.

Human rights are best addressed through the UN as I don't believe there is a democracy out there that, if examined closely, would stand the acid test of total virtue. The African continents stands as a damning example of post-colonial democracy imposed on those who have no historic experience of that type of government. That it should lead to chaos, military coups and revolutions is not surprising.

In times of strife and change, human rights seem to be one of the first casualties and that goes for democracies as well. We have floods of multi-ethnic refugees, terrorism, not to mention the iniquity of imprisonment without trial or hope of justice. And that happens in so-called western democracies. Perhaps we would be better addressing our own shortcomings rather than trying to bend others to our will.

Spain is no better nor worse than any other "democracy" and King Felipe is doing his duty.
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