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Infanta Leonor and King J.C.visit to Infanta Sofia TOMORROW.
lo han dicho en Telecinco, que hoy no hay mas visitas, pq Letizia necesita descansar.
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I really don't know why I receive some very harsh answers!I was just saying that in Portugal the last name is always from the father and I just wanted to ask why the last name is Ortiz???I know the customs are not the same, but really I don't know the customs/History/traditions of Spain! Gohsssss you are so......
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Dear biboquinhas, I apologize if you had found my words too rud. It's my face old grumpy teacher ..... 
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04-30-2007, 07:56 AM
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can't wait to see pics of the happy family and esp the new baby!!! I'm sure she'll be sweetie
congrats to the happy family!
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Dazzling in Spain it is a custom, isnt it?
So... I do not understand the purpose of the question, but of course she must right to ask what she wants.
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Im sorry Lauritas138, im not familiar with spanish customs & im not familliar at all with how second & last names go, not in spain & not in Europe. I just know that a name from the family is in the daughter/sons name
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first last name of Leonor is father´s and the second one is mother´s
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Thanks for clarifying.abother point, id like to ask, does sibling middle & last names always have to be the same ? Because in Denmark if not mistaken it could be totally different.
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04-30-2007, 08:01 AM
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thanks for the pictures 
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Dazzling i think that it is evident that if the first last name of Leonor is father´s and the second one is mother´s it´s because in Spain it is a custom, isnt it?
So... I do not understand the purpose of the question, but of course she must right to ask what she wants.
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As much as I love Spain and try to be in touch with Spanish news/traditions, I learnt about that particular custom (father's surname then mother's surname) only after Leo's birth.
I think that is the purpose of the discussion board - if you don't know something - you ask, and people who have more knowledge about it answerl.
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04-30-2007, 08:09 AM
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e.g. Juan Martínez Escudero + Marta Villanueva Cortés => Juan Martínez Villanueva
Felipe de Borbón y Grecia + Letizia Ortiz Rocasolano=> Sofia de Borbón Ortiz y Grecia Rocasolano
This way when a woman marries a man, she never losses her maiden surname, and her family name is carried by her descendents (although just for one generation)
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04-30-2007, 08:12 AM
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As much as I love Spain and try to be in touch with Spanish news/traditions, I learnt about that particular custom (father's surname then mother's surname) only after Leo's birth.
I think that is the purpose of the discussion board - if you don't know something - you ask, and people who have more knowledge about it answerl. |
Of course,and I have answered to Bioquinhas.
We will see infant Leonor tomorrow  i can´t wait!
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04-30-2007, 08:17 AM
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e.g. Juan Martínez Escudero + Marta Villanueva Cortés => Juan Martínez Villanueva
Felipe de Borbón y Grecia + Letizia Ortiz Rocasolano=> Sofia de Borbón Ortiz y Grecia Rocasolano
This way when a woman marries a man, she never losses her maiden surname, and her family name is carried by her descendents (although just for one generation)
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Very intresting, thanks for the info. Thats a nice full name 
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04-30-2007, 08:18 AM
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So Tuesday they take Leonor to meet her sister? Great, we get to see that cute little girl again!
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e.g. Juan Martínez Escudero + Marta Villanueva Cortés => Juan Martínez Villanueva
Felipe de Borbón y Grecia + Letizia Ortiz Rocasolano=> Sofia de Borbón Ortiz y Grecia Rocasolano
This way when a woman marries a man, she never losses her maiden surname, and her family name is carried by her descendents (although just for one generation)
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Why is Rocasolano in there? That's Leti's mother's name and it should not be in Sofia's name, unless I missed something.
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04-30-2007, 08:40 AM
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The Spanish naming systems pass down only the father's and maternal grandfather's surname, not the mother's. The new child's full surname is Sofia de Borbón y Ortiz, but if she was not royal, she would usually be referred to simply as Sofia de Borbón. Her mother's maiden name was Letizia Ortiz y Rocasolano (First name father's surname and mother's maiden name) but she was known as Letizia Ortiz. The Spanish "y" means "and." Sometimes a feminist or someone who dislikes his father will use the mother's maiden name instead or put it in the first position, but normally the father's name is the one people are known by or that is passed down, just like in England and the United States.
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04-30-2007, 08:43 AM
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Why the last name is ortiz?In Portugal the father's name is always the last name of the child!
Who send all those gifts?
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In Spanish speaking countries, most of them at least, the father's last name, in this case, Borbon is used followed by the mother's last name. I'm not sure why they put "y." She would be Sofia de todos los Santos Borbon Ortiz. They put "y" to make it sound more interested and high class...not sure why. The gifts were probably sent by some friends...not sure.
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04-30-2007, 09:02 AM
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I think the "y" was to link greek part of her. I don't think she would be Roscasolano though? Because this is her grandmother's maiden name, thus only Letizia is able to use it. Such a lovely name though: Infanta Sofia. By the way last evening TVE made a special on her birth and all the births of her cousins and sister.
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04-30-2007, 09:02 AM
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Infanta Elena arrived to visit Princess Letizia and Infanta Sofia
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04-30-2007, 09:05 AM
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Infanta Elena arrived to visit Princess Letizia and Infanta Sofia
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When she leaves the clinic will speaks with the journalists
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