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It appears that the king has struck a more conciliatory tone towards Catalonia this time.
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Well the harsh words he used previously did no good whatsoever for his beleaguered prime minister or Spain during the last few days. I would prefer to hear what the King really thinks. The King is eating humble pie for Christmas dinner this year. Feliz Navidad!
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Everyone expected the Christmas speech to be kinder, but deep down he keeps saying the same thing. Without respect for the laws and the rights of ALL there is no democracy.
King Felipe was never critical of Catalonia, he was critical of Catalan politicians who failed to comply with Spanish and Catalan laws... very different things. That would be criticized by any Head of State anywhere in the world.
The independentists have won more places in the parliament by an unbalanced electoral law that they have not wanted to change in 40 years because it favors them, once again they have a majority of seats but not votes. Now they will have to try to form a government, and we will see if they comply with the law or continue in their fantasy world. At some point they will have to stop propaganda and gestures for the press and those related to their ideas, and dedicate themselves to work for the citizens, and we will see then what they are doing.
Another thing that the elections have shown is that it is rural Catalonia and part of the traditional upper classes that have always supported and benefited from nationalism, which supports the independence movement. Barcelona and its surrounding cities, which have the majority of the working population and economic activity, vote more against independence ... and the more political instability continues, the worse their economy will go ... it is not strange that proposals are emerging to make Barcelona independent from Catalonia (and within the law).
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The Christmas message was taped after he learned the results of the elections. It would be interesting to read the message he would have read if the results had been different. Of course, he is fully within his right to promote unity (I wouldn't expect him to do anything else) but the law should serve the people instead of the other wsy around. That's what he should work towards; and hopefully a way forward is found that has the support of the large majority in Catalonia... (and preferably also the rest of Spain)
It is good to hear that he seems to finally recognize that the Catalonians that have a different opinion are also part of his citizens - although he still hasn't spoken out against the police brutalizing them (which he justified indirectly instead).
Regarding the city/ies being in favour of staying a part of Spain. That was to be expected as that is where you would find most Spaniards from other parts of Spain (who might stay or move when better opportunities come along).
And for clarification (not to turn political but to avoid being misunderstood): I personally don't support independence for Catalonia but I do support the right for all to decide on the future of their people/country/region. The law should ensure that such is a process is possible and meets the highest standards.
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The Christmas message was taped after he learned the results of the elections. It would be interesting to read the message he would have read if the results had been different. Of course, he is fully within his right to promote unity (I wouldn't expect him to do anything else) but the law should serve the people instead of the other wsy around. That's what he should work towards; and hopefully a way forward is found that has the support of the large majority in Catalonia... (and preferably also the rest of Spain)
It is good to hear that he seems to finally recognize that the Catalonians that have a different opinion are also part of his citizens - although he still hasn't spoken out against the police brutalizing them (which he justified indirectly instead).
Regarding the city/ies being in favour of staying a part of Spain. That was to be expected as that is where you would find most Spaniards from other parts of Spain (who might stay or move when better opportunities come along).
And for clarification (not to turn political but to avoid being misunderstood): I personally don't support independence for Catalonia but I do support the right for all to decide on the future of their people/country/region. The law should ensure that such is a process is possible and meets the highest standards.
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Of course the message would have been very different, like applauding people for finally having come to their democratic senses, but there was not enough time for a changed result and I don't think there will be a solution with Rajoy. Of course he has to stand for law and constitution but the way he has been handling this within the boundaries he can move within has been abysmal.
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This year's message was very important. I saw the message carefully and the King touched on very important points.
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This year's message was very important. I saw the message carefully and the King touched on very important points.
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I wish the King would speak about Christmas and Christian teachings rather than making a speech solely about secular themes and political issues.
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