King Felipe VI and Government formations


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The first point of the Casa Real statement on the King's consultations was quite brilliant.

Sánchez became President of Government thanks to the support of several separatist parties. Núñez Feijóo was the most voted candidate in the recent election but does not have enough support to form a government. IF Sánchez were to be supported once again by the separatists, he could form a government. BUT none of the leaders of said separatist parties had the decency to show up at Zarzuela and talk to King Felipe.

The statement says:
Los representantes de los grupos políticos con representación que han comparecido en el procedimiento han expuesto a S.M. el Rey el sentido de sus apoyos parlamentarios

Translation: «The representatives of the political groups that have taken part in the procedure have exposed to his H.M. the King the sense of their parliamentary support»

In other words, one of the reasons why the King entrusts Feijóo with the investiture is precisely that the King does not know the meaning of the vote of parties such as Junts, ERC, Bildu... because THEY HAVE NOT SPOKEN with the King and he cannot guess (nor guarantee) that they will support Sánchez once again.
 
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Today, Consultations of King Felipe VI with the representatives designated by the political groups with parliamentary representation.
https://www.casareal.es/ES/Actividades/Paginas/actividades_actividades_detalle.aspx?data=15897

Audience with Javier Esparza Abaurrea, of the Navarro People's Union.
https://www.casareal.es/ES/Actividades/Paginas/actividades_actividades_detalle.aspx?data=15898


Audience for Cristina Valido García, from the Canarian Coalition.
https://www.casareal.es/ES/Actividades/Paginas/actividades_actividades_detalle.aspx?data=15899


Audience for Aitor Esteban Bravo, of Euzko Alderdi Jeltzalea-Basque Nationalist Party (EAJ-PNV).
https://www.casareal.es/ES/Actividades/Paginas/actividades_actividades_detalle.aspx?data=15900


Audience for Yolanda Díaz Pérez, from SUMAR.
https://www.casareal.es/ES/Actividades/Paginas/actividades_actividades_detalle.aspx?data=15901


Audience for Santiago Abascal Conde, from VOX.
https://www.casareal.es/ES/Actividades/Paginas/actividades_actividades_detalle.aspx?data=15902

 
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https://www.politico.eu/article/spa...prime-minister-pedro-sanchez-form-government/

Spanish King Felipe VI on Tuesday ordered caretaker Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez to attempt to form a government. Socialist leader Sánchez does not control enough seats in the parliament to govern on his own and will need to obtain the support of a slew of far-left and separatist parties in order to remain in power.
If Sánchez fails to obtain the backing of a majority of lawmakers by November 27, Spain will have to hold new elections on January 14, 2024.
 
Dangerous, very dangerous.
 
Yes indeed. Sánchez's majority is shaky; he relies on a total of seven other parties. Puigdemont in particular will repeatedly try to enforce his own demands and threaten to break the pact.
The amnesty for the separatists is unpopular in Spanish society. Around two thirds of the population reject it - also because it obviously helps the socialists stay in power.
https://www.ft.com/content/bff2ffeb-f17b-421a-acd0-4d3895a0ce6b
 
Dangerous, very dangerous.

It is very dangerous for the unity of Spain and consequently for the monarchy.
It is worth remembering that opening these debates may not even lead to anything, as a large part of the political forces are on the side of Spanish unity and support the monarchy. PSOE has also always defended these principles, and now they have decided to ally with the independetists to form a government, creating confusion in Spain.
 
It's a very risky political move on Pedro Sanchez's part but one that could pay off or backfire.
 
Yes indeed. Sánchez's majority is shaky; he relies on a total of seven other parties.

Sumar is a coalition of several parties, in reality I think that Sánchez will have to negotiate with 19 different parties, that in some cases they are also angry with each other (Sumar- Podemos) or will face each other in regional elections (the Basque independentists PNV and Bildu, and the Catalans ERC-Junts). The PSOE is endangering the rule of law and equality among Spaniards... but they are going to suffer hell at the hands of their partners.
 
Sumar is a coalition of several parties, in reality I think that Sánchez will have to negotiate with 19 different parties, that in some cases they are also angry with each other (Sumar- Podemos) or will face each other in regional elections (the Basque independentists PNV and Bildu, and the Catalans ERC-Junts). The PSOE is endangering the rule of law and equality among Spaniards... but they are going to suffer hell at the hands of their partners.

What do you think will happen in the next few months? Is there a high probability that Spain will go to elections next year? And could the popularity of the monarchy and the King be in danger?
 
What do you think will happen in the next few months? Is there a high probability that Spain will go to elections next year? And could the popularity of the monarchy and the King be in danger?

I think that at this moment it is absolutely impossible to know what is going to happen... in any case, I think in the end this is not going to be good for anyone.

Unfortunately, the Monarchy will be used once again by politicians in their partisan fights and that will damage it, even though King Felipe is totally faithful to the Constitution, because unlike politicians, he does not have freedom of expression. The reality is that to achieve all the objectives of the independentists, they have to put an end to what they call the "regime of '78", the Constitution and democracy, and to do so they need to discredit the Monarchy.
 
I think that at this moment it is absolutely impossible to know what is going to happen... in any case, I think in the end this is not going to be good for anyone.

Unfortunately, the Monarchy will be used once again by politicians in their partisan fights and that will damage it, even though King Felipe is totally faithful to the Constitution, because unlike politicians, he does not have freedom of expression. The reality is that to achieve all the objectives of the independentists, they have to put an end to what they call the "regime of '78", the Constitution and democracy, and to do so they need to discredit the Monarchy.

I think Letizia's face on the day Leonor swore the constitution, and Felipe's face today when he received the president of the congress of deputies, says it all. It is obvious that they are not comfortable with this absolutely unpredictable situation. I hope this harms the monarchy as little as possible. But it's going to be a disastrous government. Sanchez is either crazy or he is truly irresponsible and will suffer the consequences of this ungovernable government.
 
The monarchy can hurt itself without external help e.g. Juan Carlos, Cristina and Iñaki.

Besides, much worse people have been guaranteed impunity in our country. Politicians who have been found guilty of much worse charges were hugged and pardoned by the same people who are now predicting the end of Spain.

Many of us have voted Sumar or Psoe knowing the parties they were going to negotiate with. And many of us have been supporting the amnesty long before the pose understood that is was what they needed to stay in power.
Not happy with the role Junts has, but I'd rather have this than the likes of Abascal or Ayuso in the government.

Anyway, as long as they don't go berserk, the monarchy will be fine. After all if we have get a referendum on it, it will be us, all the Spaniards, to decide on their future
 
Besides, much worse people have been guaranteed impunity in our country. Politicians who have been found guilty of much worse charges were hugged and pardoned by the same people who are now predicting the end of Spain.

In Spain there has only been one amnesty after Franco's death in 1977 and it was before the current Constitution and the current Penal Code were approved. In it, people from all sides were amnestied (including independentists and terrorists), and it obtained 296 votes in favor, two against, 18 abstentions and one null, and among those who voted in favor were the PSOE and the Communist Party which are the parties that have formed the government.

Everyone votes for whoever they want, but almost half of Spaniards have voted for the PP and Vox, and in a serious and mature democracy "the rules of the game" cannot be changed by the slightest and against half of the population.

For me, complying with the law, complying with the rules to which the 47 million Spaniards must be subject on equal terms, is much more important than supposed political ideologies, which for politicians today are one and tomorrow are another as long as it suits their interests.

In any case, if the Monarchy does fulfill its duty, which is to comply with the Constitution, it is tied hand and foot, it cannot defend itself, it cannot speak, it does not have freedom of expression... and in the face of that it does not matter that the king scrupulously fulfills his role, politicians can always play dirty. The independentists know that the monarchy is an obstacle to their interests, and is not a secret that has always been their objective.

Yes, Juan Carlos has made attacks easy, but the different governments let him do it, basically because they did the same thing. Proof of this is that the majority of political parties in Spain have had cases of corruption, in many cases worse than that of Juan Carlos and they continue in those governments. Juan Carlos has remained silent, to protect the Crown, but probably if he spoke, the political parties of this country would see many of their shames exposed.

Being king of Spain sometimes seems more like a punishment than a privilege... people in Spain have the false idea that the monarchy here is super privileged, when it is probably the least privileged in Europe. Felipe and Letizia have proven to be a responsible, professional and hard-working couple, who probably would not have great difficulties adapting to a life as citizens, and who could probably earn higher salaries in the private world than those they receive now. Their daughters would be free and happy to live life as they wanted. Perhaps Spain, with its disastrous past in the last two centuries, has much more to lose than they have.
 
Being king of Spain sometimes seems more like a punishment than a privilege... people in Spain have the false idea that the monarchy here is super privileged, when it is probably the least privileged in Europe. Felipe and Letizia have proven to be a responsible, professional and hard-working couple, who probably would not have great difficulties adapting to a life as citizens, and who could probably earn higher salaries in the private world than those they receive now. Their daughters would be free and happy to live life as they wanted. Perhaps Spain, with its disastrous past in the last two centuries, has much more to lose than they have.

They might indeed be happier, but they wouldn't have very much materially, according to Felipe. So they'd be like other very modest ex-royals.

I think Leonor deserves her shot at being Queen. Spain might be an ongoing mess, it might be a punishment, and it's ridiculous to expect one person, let alone a young woman, to do much...

But she seems to have the charisma of her grandfather and the good sense of both her parents, and her own strength. I want to see her try.

You're right. Spain does have quite a lot to lose in her. But even if she isn't Queen, she may end up doing something worthwhile for the country, anyway.
 
They might indeed be happier, but they wouldn't have very much materially, according to Felipe. So they'd be like other very modest ex-royals.

Precisely because Felipe, unlike his father, has not done "business" and his salary as a Prince before and now as a King is modest... but if he is not a king, he would not have any limitations. The pressure has led them to be super meticulous and not accept things that other royal houses do accept, such as invitations from millionaire friends or gifts.

Currently, Infanta Cristina has a higher salary than Felipe as king, and she does not have the political and business contacts that he has made over the years.
 
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Yes, Juan Carlos has made attacks easy, but the different governments let him do it, basically because they did the same thing. Proof of this is that the majority of political parties in Spain have had cases of corruption, in many cases worse than that of Juan Carlos and they continue in those governments. Juan Carlos has remained silent, to protect the Crown, but probably if he spoke, the political parties of this country would see many of their shames exposed.

This is true and I've always said the Juan Carlos' actions have to be seen in context of the time. He came to power to build up Spain during a time when there were hardly any rules on how to do it, no transparency etc etc. Most of his actions of yesterday would qualify as 'illegal' by today's standards and that goes for the 'entourage' of businessmen and politicians during those years as well. It is a good decision to remain silent about it because today's generation would not understand and disclosing how things were done would probably lead to legal action.
I believe this is the case in almost every country in Europe that had to rebuilt after the war.
The elephant/Corina scandal was a different matter of course.
 
The elephant/Corina scandal was a different matter of course.

Corinna was a consequence of ego, old age and the sense of impunity that many helped build. But even Corinna was not only known to governments, she even participated with businessmen on a state visit to Saudi Arabia, politicians simply looked the other way. Spanish politicians always need Juan Carlos to close big agreements that were necessary for certain sectors that they later boasted about as their own achievements.

The death of Juan Carlos or a seriously ill Juan Carlos would be a disgrace for the Republicans who would not be able to use him. What's more, it will be difficult for them to justify why they attack him but they defend and amnesty a Puigdemont who has broken all the laws, has broken the rule of law, embezzled money and has fled from justice.

Leonor is their other "disgrace", we will see how far they dare to attack an innocent 18-year-old girl who in the month of October gave public television audiences that it had not seen in years.
 
The death of Juan Carlos or a seriously ill Juan Carlos would be a disgrace for the Republicans who would not be able to use him. What's more, it will be difficult for them to justify why they attack him but they defend and amnesty a Puigdemont who has broken all the laws, has broken the rule of law, embezzled money and has fled from justice.

Leonor is their other "disgrace", we will see how far they dare to attack an innocent 18-year-old girl who in the month of October gave public television audiences that it had not seen in years.

I think that when Juan Carlos does pass away, he will be remembered favourbly. He made lots of mistakes and has a massive ego, but I think he was a perfect King for Spains post-Franco transition.

Leonor, I believe, is goings to a rock-star royal and a hard target for Republicans.
 
King Felipe presided over the ceremony in which the new Government ministers were sworn in this morning, November 21:


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Seems like King Felipe is taking a bit of the same role that his father set-up the monarch to be -- a guardian and advisor of the government.

I can imagine him telling former President Obama, "You've lived the life of the fun of politics. Meanwhile I babysit politicians."
 
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