Christening of Infanta Leonor: January 14, 2006

[planetcher]

Originally Posted by Olka

:) I was watching the TV today and I got the impression that they rather compared Leonor's baptism with Felipe's baptism, when his Godmother was holding him. The Infantas held their children, that's true, but he weren't the next kings/queens of Spain, they weren't Infante/Infanta.

Is there a written Royal Christening rule that the Queen should hold her Infanta grandaughter? The press tend to blow things out of proportion especially when it comes to Letizia. Perhaps the Princess didn't know that she had to let the Queen hold the Infanta if there is in fact a protocol/rule for that.

[pollyemma]

Originally Posted by Larzen

Why is Zapateros wife wearing a hat, she looked a little out of place and the only one wearing one, and the hat looked more like a nurses hat than a Jackie O pill box hat

yeah...it was not maybe the best fashion choice but I respect her for trying to bring hats into fashion for this event. she had good intentions!

[Elsa M.]

Is there a written Royal Christening rule that the Queen should hold her Infanta grandaughter?

If there was such a "rule", I'm sure somebody (especially Felipe) would know it and tell the Princess... in case she didn't take the care to inform herself on that (which I find very unlikely, knowing as we know how perfectionist she is...)

We must listen these "pink" shows with a pinch of salt, you know... they have to create a polemic, when there's nothing to point...

[lula]

Originally Posted by Larzen

Why is Zapateros wife wearing a hat, she looked a little out of place and the only one wearing one, and the hat looked more like a nurses hat than a Jackie O pill box hat

She has a friend designer who says to her that she has to put and to give her the clothes. But really she was a bit out of place. The Spanish Royal Family almost never takes hat, and in the baptisms they are in the habit of going elegant, but discreet. I believe that she likes to be call the attention.

Detail other one of the baptism. Jesus Ortiz has born enough good put photographically and the ceremony. This week appeared in television walking with his mother, he was supported in her and was taking the crutch. He has had to of having some small mishap. Nevertheless, today he was not taking crutch .... it seems that he has left it in house for the baptism of his granddaughter, but he has had to finish a bit aching. ....

[lula]

Originally Posted by planetcher

Is there a written Royal Christening rule that the Queen should hold her Infanta grandaughter? The press tend to blow things out of proportion especially when it comes to Letizia. Perhaps the Princess didn't know that she had to let the Queen hold the Infanta if there is in fact a protocol/rule for that.

There is no rule. If it was, they would have prepared it with precedence. An act like this one is not improvised. The journalists look for rules where they do not exist only to criticize. Besides, the Royal Families of the XXIst century break rules and protocols. The times change and the customs also. If some rule existed, the godmothers always would have done it they were the Queen or not.

Besides, I believe that they do it for a practical sense. The babies where they are calmer is in arms of the mother and more if they are slept, only it is necessary to see how Leonor looks at her mother, with her she is calm. If the ceremony is long and recorded by television the better thing is that the baby is calm, because but there is the danger of which she puts to cry. Sure that Letizia remained rested when she put the girl, because to be holding lasting one hour and a half to a girl of 5 kilos must be exhausting.

[Olka]

Originally Posted by lula

They have said it after seeing all the images of the baptisms of the children of the Infantas, because they had stayed in ridiculously. But it was 38 years ago, and the customs change, besides the Prince neither was Infante and the Monarchy nor existed. So the comparison does not cost either. Also Fernando VII had 20 names and Leonor only one.:p

Only they do it for being a nuisance. Also they have said that the Infantas were not holding his children during the whole baptism, and it is uncertain because if they were doing it.
Always they have to look for something to criticize, though it is stupid. Besides, they have said many incorrect things. Only they know gossip and are pernicious as journalists. The one that has said the menu, for example, has not succeeded in anything. And the supposed specialist in protocol ... without commentaries ... he had not even idea...

Though I do not surprise anything of this program garbage ... nevertheless the article of Informe Semanal, if that it was a good article, documented good, with real specialists like historians, biographers and jurists...

Lula dear, I didn't want to attack you at all, it was just an opinion....take it easy. :) Everyone has the right to have his/her opinion, right? And sticking out the tongue is not exactly a way of expressing it. Anyway I wouldn't be so radical while expressing what I feel or think about something. :) I really trust you are right about the TV programme. thought there was just a comparison, that's all.

[mtbcm]

I have just seen the images of the Christening (very litle I'm afraid :() in Portuguese TV. Letizia has a very strong instinct with her daughter, when the water was droped in Leonor's head, she shushed her daughter to tranquilise her... and after being baptised she tried to reach the towel to clean her daughter's head :). These are small gestures that makes me smile tenderly...

I also found nice the way Monseñor Rouco Varela aproached Leonor cousins in the end of cerimony and greated them with a hand shake... they looked little men ...

I wont read any of that silly things that are already circulating - this was a perfect, in the right way Christening. Nothing outstanded the real meaning of this meeting - to welcome Infanta Leonor as a Christian! And one, at least who is well intentioned, can see clearly that they all lived the event that way.

Regards,
mtbcm :)

[lula]

Front page of El País

http://www.elpais.es/misc/portada20060115.pdf

[Humera]

Screen caps from CTV (Canadian Television)

[bubbles]

Thank You very much to everyone who posted pictures. It is very nice to see Letizia and Felipe. Leonor looked adorable!!

[Olka]

To Lula: did you send me a message?? I think I lost it. If you did, then please send it again to me.

[magnik]

Originally Posted by lula

They have said it after seeing all the images of the baptisms of the children of the Infantas, because they had stayed in ridiculously. But it was 38 years ago, and the customs change, besides the Prince neither was Infante and the Monarchy nor existed. So the comparison does not cost either. Also Fernando VII had 20 names and Leonor only one.:p

Only they do it for being a nuisance. Also they have said that the Infantas were not holding his children during the whole baptism, and it is uncertain because if they were doing it.
Always they have to look for something to criticize, though it is stupid. Besides, they have said many incorrect things. Only they know gossip and are pernicious as journalists. The one that has said the menu, for example, has not succeeded in anything. And the supposed specialist in protocol ... without commentaries ... he had not even idea...

Though I do not surprise anything of this program garbage ... nevertheless the article of Informe Semanal, if that it was a good article, documented good, with real specialists like historians, biographers and jurists...

My dear, probably journalists don't have/know what/ to say nothing new than they say anything - as you wrote "always they have to look for something to criticize". It's normal (but stupid) for them, everywhere. Than it looks that they're specialist or smth like that.
No matter what you do, say or wear they always be compare, criticize.

[lula]

Originally Posted by mtbcm

I also found nice the way Monseñor Rouco Varela aproached Leonor cousins in the end of cerimony and greated them with a hand shake... they looked little men ...

I wont read any of that silly things that are already circulating - this was a perfect, in the right way Christening. Nothing outstanded the real meaning of this meeting - to welcome Infanta Leonor as a Christian! And one, at least who is well intentioned, can see clearly that they all lived the event that way.

Regards,
mtbcm :)

Miguel was very graceful, he wanted to return to give the hand to the cardinal. To the children it likes always to give the hand when they see that the adults do.
A
s for another topic, the people who creates these polemics only have bad intentions, only they want to create polemics, to speak about them during the whole week in their programs of television and to gain hearing and money. There is all the same to them the act, a baptism, a wedding or a funeral ... they are very disrespectful. This week there died the sister of Sara Montiel, an actress and very famous singer of the 60s and 70s in Spain. The press chased her and created polemics around the funeral ... the poor woman ended up by crying and asking the journalist to make her calm. There is a type of journalism (that cannot be called this way), that is like that. Though thankfully it looks like that lately and Spain begins to decaer, because the important people flee of the press.

[lula]

Originally Posted by Olka

To Lula: did you send me a message?? I think I lost it. If you did, then please send it again to me.

I write it to you here in order that you do not lose it.
For my this :p , only it is a face with humor, of joke ... but I believe that my sense of the humor is very different from your one. I am sorry that you could not stand.
I am accelerated the ignorance and the manipulation I do not like them anger me. And anger gives me that the people see these programs of television and they believe everything what they say, that the people should not be capable of thinking for if same.

[Jackswife]

These are glorious, marvelous pictures and I thoroughly enjoy all the comments and tidbits from the European contingent. A great family occasion and Felipe and Letizia seem completely enthralled with Leonor. :) Beautiful.

[Elsa M.]

There's just one thing I wasn't able to figure out... Was Leonor named Borbón y Ortiz or Borbón-Ortiz?... There was a discussion about it, some time ago, but I didn't read any news about it...

[lucys]

Canadian television reported on the baptism?! I am surprised. I expect the Spanish royals to be covered by the Latin community worldwide, and I see them often covered in french and italian and portugues press, for example, but I admit I am suprised that a canadian show reported on it.

[Saragli]

I am pretty sure it is Bourbon y Ortiz. Was Litizas last name Oritiz y Roca....(dont know how to spell it.)?

[fanletizia]

Merluza with cream of nuts

After a cocktail which they attended the totality of the guests, Princes of Asturias shared with the Royal Family and the family Ortiz Rocasolano a lunch in whom an entrant used, two seconds (to choose one) and several desserts.
The cook of the Real House prepared a salad of fresh paste to base ' carpacció of champiñón and gratinado cheese, and two seconds: merluza with cream of nuts and verduritas on the one hand, and braised sirloin with sauce of Madeira on the other hand.
The desserts - sponge cake of strawberry and chocolate candy came from the Embassy house. In the cocktail catering' with inlays used ' (jamón and Iberian back), potato tortilla and an ample variety of fried, like prawns with raincoat (one of preferred appetizers of Reina) and prawns rebozados with picadillo of peanut.

http://www.canarias7.es/articulo.cfm?Id=18023

[lula]

Originally Posted by Elsa M.

There's just one thing I wasn't able to figure out... Was Leonor named Borbón y Ortiz or Borbón-Ortiz?... There was a discussion about it, some time ago, but I didn't read any news about it...

I really don´t know how the Minister of Justice will have inscribed, how always she is the Infanta Leonor, the surnames scarcely are mentioned.

The Prince is Borbón y Grecia. And the King, Borbón yBorbón.
Though, Leonor would be Borbón y Ortiz, or Borbón Ortiz, never Borbón-Ortiz, since it would be a compound surname, and they are two separated surnames.