I've never said her spending was the cause of the regions problems. It can, however, exacerbate things.
Maher Arar was tortured in Jordan as well. <snort> This really goes to show 'informed' you are, and thus I shall henceforth take everything you post with a huge grain of salt. He has just launched a multi-million dollar lawsuit against the Jordanian government for the torture he suffered there:
It's all good and well to talk about honour killings etc. in the homes of others, but it is quite another to acknowledge the violations that the regime engages in.
I sincerely hope the article about the gold shoes is complete fabrication, because if it is true, my opinion of Rania would plummet considerably. 22 karat gold shoes encrusted with diamonds is sheer extravagance. I would even go so far as to say that anyone who orders and wears such shoes is not quite right in the head.Originally posted by Julia@Nov 27th, 2003 - 3:10 am
Bottom line: a queen of a third world country, no matter how wealthy she and her family might be, should not spend a fortune on clothes and jewellry. Why? Because it is a slap in the face to her people.
As Sean and other posters have pointed out, Queen Noor has two or three fine tiaras (her tiaras might be saved for the CP's wife??) and Princess Haya has her mother's 2 million dollar tiara which Queen Rania might indeed be able to borrow.
The designer clothes...we've all seen Princess Caroline (yes, she isn't close to Queen Rania's equal in terms of rank but she's bloody wealthy) wear a favorite Chanel gown more than once and she recycles her jewelry constantly. So, why couldn't Queen Rania? One is quite capable of looking spectacular without having the constant need for new clothes and jewels. Queen Rania is not lacking in looks by any means and wearing the same gown or outfit more than once is not going to change many people's minds about her looks.
I admire Queen Rania for her intelligence and she is a seemingly good natured woman. I am sure that the allure of fine jewels and beautiful couture clothing is very powerful and that it is probably hard for her to resist but because of her intelligence, etc... Perhaps she believes she is dressing for her country (putting a good face on, so to speak) but, still, I am disappointed that she might not think of being a little more modest with her spending considering the poverty that her subjects live in.
There is no point in aruging about this back and forth. I've made my points clearly and succinctly. As have you and the others. I will request that this thread be locked before the personal attacks start. We've gotten way off the original topic.
It is one thing to have an opinion, but quite another to have an informed, objective one.Originally posted by ~*~Humera~*~@Nov 27th, 2003 - 9:51 am
There is no point in aruging about this back and forth. I've made my points clearly and succinctly. As have you and the others. I will request that this thread be locked before the personal attacks start. We've gotten way off the original topic.
That we have.
But dont expect the personal attacks to start from my side...thats not my style.
I dont show contempt for other peoples' opinions simply because they disagree with me.
Oh and by the way, you didnt start this thread so dont expect that it'll be locked at your request.
Im still hoping someone can discredit/corroborate the article i've posted...someone who actually lives in Jordan maybe
I sincerely hope the article about the gold shoes is complete fabrication, because if it is true, my opinion of Rania would plummet considerably. 22 karat gold shoes encrusted with diamonds is sheer extravagance. I would even go so far as to say that anyone who orders and wears such shoes is not quite right in the head.Originally posted by beebee+Nov 27th, 2003 - 8:26 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (beebee @ Nov 27th, 2003 - 8:26 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Julia@Nov 27th, 2003 - 3:10 am
Bottom line: a queen of a third world country, no matter how wealthy she and her family might be, should not spend a fortune on clothes and jewellry. Why? Because it is a slap in the face to her people.
As Sean and other posters have pointed out, Queen Noor has two or three fine tiaras (her tiaras might be saved for the CP's wife??) and Princess Haya has her mother's 2 million dollar tiara which Queen Rania might indeed be able to borrow.
The designer clothes...we've all seen Princess Caroline (yes, she isn't close to Queen Rania's equal in terms of rank but she's bloody wealthy) wear a favorite Chanel gown more than once and she recycles her jewelry constantly. So, why couldn't Queen Rania? One is quite capable of looking spectacular without having the constant need for new clothes and jewels. Queen Rania is not lacking in looks by any means and wearing the same gown or outfit more than once is not going to change many people's minds about her looks.
I admire Queen Rania for her intelligence and she is a seemingly good natured woman. I am sure that the allure of fine jewels and beautiful couture clothing is very powerful and that it is probably hard for her to resist but because of her intelligence, etc... Perhaps she believes she is dressing for her country (putting a good face on, so to speak) but, still, I am disappointed that she might not think of being a little more modest with her spending considering the poverty that her subjects live in.
Hey no, don't close this thread -- I've enjoyed this intelligent discussion with good arguments on both sides. And Sean~, you are delightfully ~snippy!~ but we luvs you anyway. B)Originally posted by Sean.~@Nov 27th, 2003 - 1:26 am
I will request that this thread be locked before the personal attacks start. We've gotten way off the original topic.
Hi beebee,Originally posted by Julia+Nov 27th, 2003 - 2:05 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Julia @ Nov 27th, 2003 - 2:05 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by beebee@Nov 27th, 2003 - 8:26 am
<!--QuoteBegin-Julia@Nov 27th, 2003 - 3:10 am
Bottom line: a queen of a third world country, no matter how wealthy she and her family might be, should not spend a fortune on clothes and jewellry. Why? Because it is a slap in the face to her people.
As Sean and other posters have pointed out, Queen Noor has two or three fine tiaras (her tiaras might be saved for the CP's wife??) and Princess Haya has her mother's 2 million dollar tiara which Queen Rania might indeed be able to borrow.
The designer clothes...we've all seen Princess Caroline (yes, she isn't close to Queen Rania's equal in terms of rank but she's bloody wealthy) wear a favorite Chanel gown more than once and she recycles her jewelry constantly. So, why couldn't Queen Rania? One is quite capable of looking spectacular without having the constant need for new clothes and jewels. Queen Rania is not lacking in looks by any means and wearing the same gown or outfit more than once is not going to change many people's minds about her looks.
I admire Queen Rania for her intelligence and she is a seemingly good natured woman. I am sure that the allure of fine jewels and beautiful couture clothing is very powerful and that it is probably hard for her to resist but because of her intelligence, etc... Perhaps she believes she is dressing for her country (putting a good face on, so to speak) but, still, I am disappointed that she might not think of being a little more modest with her spending considering the poverty that her subjects live in.
I sincerely hope the article about the gold shoes is complete fabrication, because if it is true, my opinion of Rania would plummet considerably. 22 karat gold shoes encrusted with diamonds is sheer extravagance. I would even go so far as to say that anyone who orders and wears such shoes is not quite right in the head.
Still, I think we should give Rania the benefit of the doubt and assume this article is make-believe. As a public figure -- and one who's talked about not buying tiaras because of the cost, at that -- you'd think she'd know how bad it would look for her to wear something like gold shoes. I don't think she'd be so unwise as to try to add them to her already expansive wardrobe.
I totally agree with your opinion, Josephine. I do think Rania is a probably wonderful queen and person and mother, but she is still a bit too lavish when it comes to her clothes and jewels. I'm not saying she should go around in a potato sack, but I think she has developed an image as being more of a clotheshorse than any European royal, and that's not good.
Originally posted by beebee@Nov 27th, 2003 - 1:39 pm
Not a problem! To be called "Josefine" is a compliment here!Oh, I can't believe I wrote "Josephine!" I knew I was responding to Julia, but somehow my fingers didn't. Sorry!
Yeah i've heard that one before too.Originally posted by shannen26@Nov 27th, 2003 - 11:22 am
Rania is called - The Bags Queen- in Jordan, guess why ? She's a shopaholic.
I totally agree.Originally posted by pegassuss2525@Dec 1st, 2003 - 8:38 am
Honor Killing is part of the culture not of the regime. You can't truely believe that if the law was passed making honor killings illegal that they would simply go away or even decrease drastically. Until the mind set of the people is changed then honor killings will not be thought of as wrong by the majority.
I am well aware that honour killings are part of the state.