Princess Nathalie zu S-W-B and Alexander Johannsmann - 27 May 2010, 17-18 June 2011


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She did! Someone just reactivated the forum on Alexandra's wedding, where you can still see the pictures. IMO the difference is that Alexandra's wedding was hosted by Queen Ingrid, her ageing grand mother. The event to place in a more 'royal' context if you like and tiaras were to be expected. It's was the last big 'do' Queen Ingrid staged before she died on Danish soil and as usual she was pulling all the stops out!

Viv

Then they should have opted for an black tie dresscode. Here in Germany usually white tie means tiaras and Orders for the ladies if they have any orders.
 
I was so much hoping to see some of the rarely seen tiaras of the German nobility. But there seems to be a general trend to go more and more low key. For us who enjoy the sparkle of beautiful tiaras and revel in their historic value, that is really a pity.
 
Is there no way of giving these masterpieces an outing now and then?

Many historic houses display their finery and jewellery during the summer, e.g. summer exhibition at Buckingham Palace. Monaco managed to send the Grace exhibition all over the world.
 
Why didnt Prince Joachim and Princess Marie attend the wedding ??
Because he's substituting for the Queen. One of the designated members of the DRF is always acting as a sort of regent.

viv
 
Summary of a multitude of articles in Billed Bladet #25, 2011.
All written by Annelise Weimann & Marianne Singer.
Part one:

The extremely nervous groom, Alexander Johannsmann waited for his bride and couldn’t keep his hands still. That he had to wait a little extra, because Nathalie had forgotten her bouquet didn’t calm him down!
However, once the ceremony was over, he relaxed.
And during the dinner he surprised everyone as a part of his wedding speech was in Danish. He said:
“Dear parents-in-law (svigerforældre). Thank you for your lovely and beautiful daughter and thank you for accepting me so openly/open armed into your family”. Than he went on to speak in German and ended by saying: “I love you Nathalie”.
During the speech Alexander talked about how they had tried to keep their romance a secret for the first six months and remembered when Nathalie for the first time invited him home to her flat at Schloss Berleburg and she had cooked for him: “That was NOT my favourite dish”! – The couple has since then handled the cooking together….

The flower arrangement in the church were made by Thomats Dietz from Blumen ENK.

The theme of the setting on the tables was blue and white.

However as is tradition at at least some Danish weddings, Frederik, Prince Pavlos and Prince Nikolaos grabbed Alexander after his wedding speech and lifted him up, scissor in hand and tore off his shoes. The startled groom, who was unfamiliar with the tradition yelled: “Nicht die Schue, Nicht die Schue = not the shoes”! But it was after all only his socks that were cut.

Princess Nathalie’s wedding dress was made by Henrik Hviid, who has made several dresses for her mother, Princess Benedikte. He explains: “I’ve sewn wedding gowns for many brides, but there are particular demands for a royal wedding gown. It has to more covered up, more chaste and not so open. – I did not wish for the gown to be blondes on blondes (or is it laces? What do I know about female fashion, let alone wedding gowns?), so that’s why I chose some different, more sturdy blondes/laces for the upper part, the so called spartel-blondes/laces”.
The dress was made in silk duchesse. (That’s why we men will never comprehend what women talk about. I have no idea what so ever what silk duchesse is! – And it gets worse…)
The upper part is sewn with a corsage-upper part in cream coloured silk with silk-organza underneath. The belly band was made from silk-duchesse and from here the three meter long train went. On the train was the monogram of the couple and that is 47 centimetres wide. (I hope you understood what I was writing about, all I got was dress and silk).
He ends: “I’m very pleased with the result”.

As you may recall, there was a BBQ on the evening before the wedding and as the weather was good, they all sat at long tables outside, while a small orchestra entertained, playing Spanish-Mexican music. Only later on were large parasols put up. A good idea as the rain started pouring down, leading all to move inside to the orangerie. It all ended around midnight.

The big day came!
At 11.30: Our vigilant reporters spotted Alexander’s farmor (paternal grandmother), Ilse Henkenjohann, going for a walk with her great-grandchild, eleven months old Konstantin. The venerable old lady was in a great mood and confided to our reporters: “It’s the biggest day of my life. I’m out walking with Konstantin, so that they can have some peace and quiet to prepare at the schloss. – I’ve just had my hair made, so I hope the hairstyle won’t be ruined by the rain”.
At 12.30: QMII was seen on the way to the local inn, Schloss Schänke, where she enjoyed a lunch with several relatives.
At 14.59: The groom Alexander-Johannsmann was seen rushing down to Schloss Schänke where he grabbed a sandwich and proceeded to wolf it down, while hurrying back to Schloss Berleburg.
At 15.27: Frederik and Mary arrived at little late from the airport. Mary was observed holding a section of the newspaper, Politiken under her arm. (I’m not at all surprised that Mary should read Politiken). They had an hour and a half to dress up for the wedding. Mary’s hair was already done in Copenhagen, by her hairdresser, Søren Hedegaard.

The wedding! All the guest were seated. The three Rolls Royce were in gear, the flowers were perfect, the weather was reasonable dry, yes, everything was perfect when the bride and her father wheeled up in front of the church. Except for a minor detail, as Nathalie later put it; the bouquet had been forgotten. Nathalie exclaimed at the church door: “Where is the bridal bouquet? I’ve forgotten it”!
A police officer was shanghaied and drove off to Schloss Berleburg, with emergency lights on, to retrieve the flowers. When he returned he handed over the bouquet to Nathalie’s maid, Hanne Nielsen. Saved! While Princess Nathalie didn’t appear particularly nervous, her father, Prince Richard admitted that he was nervous.
Nathalie’s hair was done by QMII’s hairdresser, Poul Nejlund, who had flown with the Majesty by helicopter to Berleburg. He also did QMII’s hair. A neat little detail in regards to QMII’s hair, were two sapphires in the back of her hair, which doubled as hair-clamps.

After the wedding and back at Schloss Berleburg, the happy couple stood amidst family and friends and listened to a musical tribute from no less than 120 musicians from Bad Berleburger Schützenverein and it was also here Alexander-Johannsmann went over to his mother-in-law, Princess Benedikte and thanked her warmly and they gave each other a warm and long hug. (A wise man, that Alexander-Johannsmann).
 
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Part two:

Mary: When M&F left the church a number of spectators (okay, onlookers) chanted: “Mary, Mary” and applauded, leading Frederik to smile: “No one, yells for me”.
Mary’s dress was from Heartmade and on top of that she wore a lace-jacket with gold embroidery.
When she arrived in Berleburg she wore peal earrings, but at the wedding she wore diamond earrings shaped in the form of flowers.
M&F did not bring any of their children with them.

The dress worn by Princess Benedikte was by Henrik Hviid. Made in Saphire-blue silk chiffron with an upper part of volantes. (No, again I only understood silk and dress).

Prince Richard said to our reporters in his usual style: “The wedding is so expensive, that I’ve offered Nathalie the most grand and most expensive horse she would wish for, if she would only cancel”.
Alexander’s mormor (maternal grandmother) said: “It’s a big day for my. Alexander is my liebling = darling”.

Count Jefferson could unfortunately not accompany Princess Alexandra to the wedding as he was to busy home in Paris. Princess Alexia’s husband, Carlos Morales was also too bust to attend.
Prince Gustav and his Carina was there. The latter wearing a dress in kerosene-coloured silk satin, with waterfall-decolletage/cut. (Sigh!)

You think that was coverage enough? No.
Because getting married can create a healthy appetite in every man, also Alexander-Johanssmann and our reporter caught him walking down to the local pizzaria Sunday for some supplies for himself and others. (Ha. I’ve used that one too when ordering a family pizza – for myself. People foolishly presume a family pizza is for at least two people).
And here he said: “I only went to bed at half past six in the morning, so I’m not exactly fresh. Nathalie went to bed around five. She was wearing high heels all day and probably needed to rest her feet a bit.
It was all very beautiful and exciting. Even better than we had expected. A really lovely party.
The most beautiful moment was when Nathalie stepped into the church and I saw her for the first time in the wedding gown. I was so nervous but it was also a really lovely experience”.
He didn’t cry: “I deliberately did not look at my mother-in-law, because I knew that she and her sisters, all three of them, sat with teary eyes. I was well aware that if I saw that, I would also get tears in my eyes”.
Q: How did you feel about it raining so heavily?
AJ: “I Germany you have a saying, which says that the worse the weather is during the weding, the longer the marriage will last. That’s what we told ourselves yesterday”.
There will not be a honey moon for some time.
AJ: “Nathalie and I have joked about our honey moon going to Achen (not very far away), where we will attend a riding competition. But we are certainly not going to practise today, that will have to wait until tomorrow. Today the schedules says pizza and relaxation. We still have some family and friends staying.
Konstantin has all week sensed that something was afoot. Unfortunately we had to let him stay with others yesterday, but today he is only with us. He wants to be in mothers arms all the time”.
 
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Description of Nathalie's wedding dress

Danish designer Henrik Hviid is interviewed in this week's issue of Billed-Bladet, showing his sketch of the dress and explaining the details. The beigy lace of the bodice, which was subject to the odd remarks - including mine:whistling:! - was carefully considered by Mr. Hviid, and it turns out that the old Irish lace-veil of the DRF was the determining factor!

The designer didn't want the dress to be 'lace-upon-lace' i.e. one kind of lace for the veil and another for the dress. He wanted contrast and chose the coarse lace for the bodice - a socalled 'spatelblonde' (in Danish, I need the English equivalent!) ), which looks like 'embroidered lace'.
The dress is made of cream coloured silk lined with silk organza. Around Nathalies' waist a waistband of folded silk duchesse holding the three meter long train in place. More lace-stars adorn the skirt.

(sorry Muhler, our posts crossed!)
viv
 
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Dear Muhler,
ahem... errr.. I believe that blondes-on-blondes is something else:whistling:!

Then there's Blonde-on-Blonde.. an album from the previous century by Bob Dylan ....

:flowers: Viv
 
:lol: Sorry. Måske et tilfælde af: hvad hjertet er fuldt af.....;)
It's fashion stuff, I'm genetically excused.
 
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Crown Princess Mary first wore this dress on june, 15 2005 at a gala premiere at 'Det Kongelige Teater' in Copenhagen. This time with another Heartmade top.

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The second time was on june, 10 2006 at the wedding between Prince Philipp von Hessen and Laetitia Bechtolf in Panker, Germany.

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The third time was on june, 11 2009 at the birthday of Prince Henrik of Denmark at Fredensborg Castle.

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Wasn't it Politiken that had the first big interview with Mary just prior to her wedding to Frederik?
 
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Thank you for the interesting articles, Davis.
That video is really nice. But I felt for the poor guys who had to wait outside in the torrential rains.
 
Thank you for posting the article, Muhler:flowers:.
That poor man! Imagine to be raided like this by three royal princes, not knowing what's going on.
Is this a typical Danish custom? Could you give us some background information on it?

You are welcome, Tilia :)

Well, I see that Davis has already posted an interesting explanation.
I must admit that I don't know how common this costum is. It's not used in my family and in fact I've never been to a wedding where socks were cut up.

ADDED: The interview from Billed Bladet, with a pretty wasted Alexander-Johannsmann who went down for some pizzas: http://www.billedbladet.dk/Kongelig...g Pomp og pragt aflost af pizza og hygge.aspx
 
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Her full name is Nathalie Xenia Margareta Benedikte so no Daisy in there


Daisy means and is the english name for Margrethe. The Queen is called by the nickname "Daisy" within the family because her name is Margrethe!
So, in that respect, there´s also a "Daisy" within Nathalies names indeed.
 
Do anyone know why Prince Pavlos did not wear his Order of the Elephant? And why wasn't Prince Nikolaos, Princess Tatiana and Princess Alexia in the official photo?
 
Thanks for sharing Stefan!

I missed especially photos of the non-prominent Nobles in the media. Thanks!

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And you got a pic of a laughing Gustav of SWB :)
 
I loved your pics of the wedding, thank you :flowers:!
Unfortunately I couldn't access the pics from the barbecue, maybe something's wrong with the link :sad:?
 
I loved your pics of the wedding, thank you :flowers:!
Unfortunately I couldn't access the pics from the barbecue, maybe something's wrong with the link :sad:?
They should bve avalible again from Friday. There was a problem with the bandwith limit.
 
:previous: Thanks, I will check again on Friday. That must have been a really thrilling weekend for you, and it's really kind of you to share all your pictures:flowers:.
 
Time to update the lace veil panel :flowers:.

IMO then Princess Ann-Marie and Princess Alexandra wore the veil/tiara combo the best. Mary's is the most unflattering. Really not liking Princess Nathalie's wedding gown but she looks happy and that's all that counts.
 
Iand what Queen ingrid had on her heaid beside the veil iI can not see ehat it is on the top of the head? who is the o ne before Ingrid? and whattiara is she using?
i apoloagize for my ignorance!

The one before Queen Ingrid is Princess Margaret of Connaught from Britain, the daughter of Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught, son of Queen Victoria. She is the original owner of the Veil and the Khedive of Egypt tiara ( a gift from the people of Khedive of Egypt when she married the Crown Prince of Sweden, as at that time Egypt was under British rule. The lace is Irish lace.) She also brought to Sweden the Connaught tiara which Princess Madelaine wore to Princess Victoria's wedding and the ruby tiara which looks like a crown - one a gift from her parents and the other from her uncle and aunt King Edward VII and Queen Alexandra. Her only daughter Princess Ingrid inherited the veil and the Khedive of Egypt tiara.
 
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What does "S.D.I.D." mean

Hello,
In the list of guests of the Wittgenstein-Berleburg wedding, the name of some of the guests are preceded by initials. What do they mean? I am particularly interested in the meaning of the initials S.D.I.D.
Thank you,
ANCR


Royal and noble guests: (In German)

I.M. Königin Margrethe
S.K.H. Kronprinz Frederik und I.K.H. Kronprinzessin Mary
I.M. Königin Anne-Marie
I.K.H. Prinzessin Alexia
S.K.H. Kronprinz Pavlos und I.K.H. Kronprinzessin Marie-Chantal
S.K.H. Prinz Nikolaos und I.K.H. Prinzessin Tatiana
Herr Tord Magnuson und Prinzessin Christina, Frau Magnuson
I.D. Fürstin Maria zu Stolberg-Wernigerod
S.D.I.D. Fürst Wittekind und Fürstin Cecilia zu Waldeck und Pyrmont
S.H.I.H. Graf Patrick und Gräfin Tatiana von Saurma-Jeltsch
I.D. Prinzessin Alexandra zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg mit Graf Richard und Gräfin Ingrid
S.D.I.D. Prinz Christian-Peter und Prinzessin Judith zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg
S.D. Prinz Hubertus zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg
I.D. Prinzessin Marie zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg und Herr Olivier LeMaire
I.D. Prinzessin Natascha zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg
S.D.I.D. Prinz Otto-Ludwig und Prinzessin Annette zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg
S.D.I.D. Prinz Robin und Prinzessin Marie-Christine zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg
S.D. Fürst Bernhart zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Hohenstein und Frau Katharina von Alvensleben
I.D. Prinzessin Elisabeth zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Hohenstein
S.D.I.D. Prinz Georg und Prinzessin Benedikta zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Hohenstein
S.D.I.D. Fürst Alexander und Fürstin Gabriela zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn
S.D.I.D. Fürst Albrecht und Fürstin Angela zu Oettingen-Spielber
S.K.H. Landgraf Moritz von Hessen
I.K.H. Prinzessin Tatiana von Hessen
S.K.H.I.K.H. Prinz Donatus und Prinzessin Floria von Hessen
I.H. Prinzessin Mafalda von Hessen
S.H.I.H. Prinz Philipp und Prinzessin Laetitia von Hessen
S.D.I.D. Erbprinz Kraft und Erbprinzessin Carolin zu Hohenlohe-Oehringen
S.D.I.D. Prinz Stephan und Prinzessin Maria zur Lippe
S.D.I.D. Fürst Philipp und Fürstin Marie zu Solms-Hohensolms-Lich
S.E.I.D. Graf Hans-Veit und Gräfin Henriette zu Toerring-Jettenbach
S.E. Graf Franz zu Solms-Laubach und Frau Viktoria Unterreiner
S.E. Graf Gustav-Albrecht zu Solms-Laubach
S.E. Graf Karl-Georg zu Solms-Laubach
I.D. Gräfin Madeleine zu Solms-Laubach
S.H. Graf Michael Bernadotte
I.H. Gräfin Christine von Kagenec
Graf Christian und Gräfin Mette Ahlefeldt-Laurvig
Graf Preben und Gräfin Brita Ahlefeldt-Laurvi
Herr Jesper Gyllenstig und Contessa Friderike Pignatti Morano di Custoz
Baron Niels und Baronin Molise Iuel-Brockdorff
Baron Christoph und Baronin Julia von Jenisch
Baron Markus und Baronin Isabel von Jenisch
Baron Philip und Baronin Alexa von Malsen-Plessen
Baronin Lykke von Schwerin
Herr Mikael Warberg und Gräfin Karin von Rosenborg
Kammerherr, Baron Henrik und Baronin Gitte Wedell-Wedellsborg[/QUOTE]
 
Hello,
In the list of guests of the Wittgenstein-Berleburg wedding, the name of some of the guests are preceded by initials. What do they mean? I am particularly interested in the meaning of the initials S.D.I.D.
Thank you,
ANCR


Royal and noble guests: (In German)

I.M. Königin Margrethe
S.K.H. Kronprinz Frederik und I.K.H. Kronprinzessin Mary
I.M. Königin Anne-Marie
I.K.H. Prinzessin Alexia
S.K.H. Kronprinz Pavlos und I.K.H. Kronprinzessin Marie-Chantal
S.K.H. Prinz Nikolaos und I.K.H. Prinzessin Tatiana
Herr Tord Magnuson und Prinzessin Christina, Frau Magnuson
I.D. Fürstin Maria zu Stolberg-Wernigerod
S.D.I.D. Fürst Wittekind und Fürstin Cecilia zu Waldeck und Pyrmont
S.H.I.H. Graf Patrick und Gräfin Tatiana von Saurma-Jeltsch
I.D. Prinzessin Alexandra zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg mit Graf Richard und Gräfin Ingrid
S.D.I.D. Prinz Christian-Peter und Prinzessin Judith zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg
S.D. Prinz Hubertus zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg
I.D. Prinzessin Marie zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg und Herr Olivier LeMaire
I.D. Prinzessin Natascha zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg
S.D.I.D. Prinz Otto-Ludwig und Prinzessin Annette zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg
S.D.I.D. Prinz Robin und Prinzessin Marie-Christine zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg
S.D. Fürst Bernhart zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Hohenstein und Frau Katharina von Alvensleben
I.D. Prinzessin Elisabeth zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Hohenstein
S.D.I.D. Prinz Georg und Prinzessin Benedikta zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Hohenstein
S.D.I.D. Fürst Alexander und Fürstin Gabriela zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn
S.D.I.D. Fürst Albrecht und Fürstin Angela zu Oettingen-Spielber
S.K.H. Landgraf Moritz von Hessen
I.K.H. Prinzessin Tatiana von Hessen
S.K.H.I.K.H. Prinz Donatus und Prinzessin Floria von Hessen
I.H. Prinzessin Mafalda von Hessen
S.H.I.H. Prinz Philipp und Prinzessin Laetitia von Hessen
S.D.I.D. Erbprinz Kraft und Erbprinzessin Carolin zu Hohenlohe-Oehringen
S.D.I.D. Prinz Stephan und Prinzessin Maria zur Lippe
S.D.I.D. Fürst Philipp und Fürstin Marie zu Solms-Hohensolms-Lich
S.E.I.D. Graf Hans-Veit und Gräfin Henriette zu Toerring-Jettenbach
S.E. Graf Franz zu Solms-Laubach und Frau Viktoria Unterreiner
S.E. Graf Gustav-Albrecht zu Solms-Laubach
S.E. Graf Karl-Georg zu Solms-Laubach
I.D. Gräfin Madeleine zu Solms-Laubach
S.H. Graf Michael Bernadotte
I.H. Gräfin Christine von Kagenec
Graf Christian und Gräfin Mette Ahlefeldt-Laurvig
Graf Preben und Gräfin Brita Ahlefeldt-Laurvi
Herr Jesper Gyllenstig und Contessa Friderike Pignatti Morano di Custoz
Baron Niels und Baronin Molise Iuel-Brockdorff
Baron Christoph und Baronin Julia von Jenisch
Baron Markus und Baronin Isabel von Jenisch
Baron Philip und Baronin Alexa von Malsen-Plessen
Baronin Lykke von Schwerin
Herr Mikael Warberg und Gräfin Karin von Rosenborg
Kammerherr, Baron Henrik und Baronin Gitte Wedell-Wedellsborg
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SDID refers to the German Sein Durchlaucht und Ihre Durchlauchte Hochheit i.e. in English His and Her Serene Highnesses. According to Wikipedia (and hopefully there are better sources among board members!). the Durchlaucht title was given to those 'semi-royals' (for want of a better term) who belonged to families of former principalities (primarily German) whom Bismarck wanted to keep happy but landless.:p
 
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