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Warren 03-27-2011 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Furienna (Post 1219686)
Let's see... The first king of Belgium was prince Albert's brother...

To keep the record straight, Leopold King of the Belgians was the uncle of Prince Albert (and equally of Queen Victoria).
Leopold, Albert's father Duke Ernst I and Princess Victoria, later of Leiningen and later Duchess of Kent, were siblings.
Prince Albert's brother was the somewhat lacklustre Duke Ernst II.

Furienna 03-28-2011 07:51 AM

Ouch... Well, I stand corrected.

Marc23 03-30-2011 08:56 PM

Don't know if anyone is interested,but Queen Elizabeth II and French President Nicolas Paul Stephane Sarkozy de Nagy-Bosca,who originated from a Hungarian noble family(enobled way back in 1628),are also related...Here is the line where one can see that Sarkozy was an ancestor of the Queen,who also has many other Hungarian noble ancestors...

Elisabeth Sarkozy
I
Maria Maczesdy de Maczesd
I
Helene Rusory de Rusor
I
Michael Barcsay de Nagy-Barcsa-elder,died in 1716
I
Michael Barcsay de Nagy-Barcsa-younger
I
Peter Barcsay de Nagy-Barcsa,lived from 1737-1797
I
Karolina Barcsay de Nagy-Barcsa,died in 1810
I
Baroness Agnes Inczedy de Nagy Varad,lived from 1788-1856
I
Countess Claudine Rhedey de Kis-Rhede,lived from 1812-1841
I
Duke Franz von Teck,lived from 1837-1900
I
Princess Victoria Mary von Teck,lived from 1867-1953
I
King George VI of Great Britain,lived from 1895-1952
I
Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain,born in 1926

Grandduchess24 03-31-2011 01:40 PM

I believe the queen and her husband are cousins

Queen Victoria
King Edward vii
King George v
King George vi
Queen Elizabeth II

Queen Victoria
Princess Alice,duchess of Hesse and by Rhine
Princess Victoria of Hesse and by Rhine
Princess Alice of Greece and Denmark
Prince Phillip,duke of Edinburgh

And with the king of Norway
Queen Victoria
King Edward vii
Princess maud of wales,queen of Norway
King Orlav v of Norway
King Harald v of Norway

And the king of Sweden
Queen Victoria
Prince Arthur,duke of Connaught
Crown princess Margaret of Sweden
Prince gustaf vi adolf
King Carl xvi gustaf

And the king of Spain
Queen Victoria
Princess Beatrice m. Henry mountbatten
Queen Victoria Eugenie of Spain
Infante Jaime,count of Barcelona
King Juan Carlos I

And the queen of Spain
Queen Victoria
Princess royal Victoria,german empress
Princess Sophie of prussia
King Paul I of Greece
Queen Sofia of Spain

So then what is their relationship to the queen and her husband? And what is the relationship then of prince Charles of wales and prince Felipe of Asturias,crown prince haakon of Norway,and crown princess victoria of Sweden?

Also princess Victoria of Hesse and by Rhine married Louis Mountbatten and princess beatrice married Henry mountbatten and Louis and Henry are brothers so the prince Phillip and king Juan Carlos are how close of cousins?

And since king Harald v of Norway is also a decedent of king Edward vii and queen Victoria, isn't his family also in line to the British throne ? Or is it just everyone decended from queen Victoria that is in line because there are a lot of royalty that are decendents of her.

MRSJ 03-31-2011 07:48 PM

If I remember correctly every crowned Queen or King currently reigning in Europe is desendant from Q Victoria and/or King Christian except Queen Beatrix of Neatherlands but I may be incorrect in that ....

Furienna 04-03-2011 07:51 AM

Marc23: That is interesting. But then, haven't many American presidents also been distantly related to the British royal family?

MRSJ: I think that's absolutely correct.

genegirl99 04-03-2011 09:57 PM

If your have New England Roots you're related to Presidents. It's been a while but I recall that George Washington was descended from Malcolm II of Scotland and that the Bush family (like me) is descended from William the Lion King of Scotland through his daughter Isabella.

Marc23 04-04-2011 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Furienna (Post 1224155)
Marc23: That is interesting. But then, haven't many American presidents also been distantly related to the British royal family?


Yes,almost to all of them if not every one...

Kataryn 04-06-2011 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MRSJ (Post 1223318)
If I remember correctly every crowned Queen or King currently reigning in Europe is desendant from Q Victoria and/or King Christian except Queen Beatrix of Neatherlands but I may be incorrect in that ....

While Beatrix is no descendent of Queen Victoria or King Christian, she is a descendant of the Electress Sophia (via George I - Prussia - Mecklenburg), thus related...

fearghas 04-07-2011 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Kataryn (Post 1228091)
While Beatrix is no descendent of Queen Victoria or King Christian, she is a descendant of the Electress Sophia (via George I - Prussia - Mecklenburg), thus related...

She is aso closely related to the Queen of Denmark through the Mecklenberg line

EmpressRouge 04-07-2011 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by fearghas (Post 1228441)
She is aso closely related to the Queen of Denmark through the Mecklenberg line

Also to the King of Sweden through the House of Waldeck and Pyrmont.

SLV 04-07-2011 11:33 AM

I can't find the site any more, but it showed that even more so than the links through Victoria, nearly all Royal Houses are related to the Dutch RF, through a 17th century (?) link.
It really bothers me though, that I can't find that site. I was really surprised at the information (we only ever hear about Victoria), but looking at the family-trees, it really was true.

SLV

EmpressRouge 04-07-2011 02:49 PM

I believe you are speaking of John William Friso, Prince of Orange? Not a website but at least a wikipedia article about him being the common ancestor of all the reigning European royal families
Royal descendants of John William Friso, Prince of Orange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

SLV 04-07-2011 02:59 PM

That was it.
Thanks!

Furienna 04-07-2011 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by EmpressRouge (Post 1228566)
Also to the King of Sweden through the House of Waldeck and Pyrmont.

I'm sorry, but what's our king's links to the house of Waldeck and Pyrmont? I've never heard about that.

Warren 04-07-2011 08:35 PM

:previous:
Georg Viktor, Prince of Waldeck & Pyrmont > Helene (married Leopold, Duke of Albany) > Karl Eduard, Duke of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha > Sibylla (married Prince Gustaf Adolf of Sweden) > Carl XVI Gustaf

Another daughter of Georg Viktor was Emma, Queen Regent of the Netherlands and mother of Queen Wilhelmina.

Furienna 04-09-2011 03:53 PM

Thank you! :flowers:

(Gustaf Adolf never even became crown prince though, as his grandfather outlived him. :sad:)

MRSJ 04-10-2011 11:04 PM

An article talking a bit about the Royal houses relations to each other-

http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/apr/...k&type=article

PrincessKaimi 04-10-2011 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by EmpressRouge (Post 1228703)
I believe you are speaking of John William Friso, Prince of Orange? Not a website but at least a wikipedia article about him being the common ancestor of all the reigning European royal families
Royal descendants of John William Friso, Prince of Orange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I will have to read it - but I have to add it to the list of people who are "ancestral to all the royal houses of Europe." I suspect most claims are true (given the research I've done so far - which is supported by the research of others). Charlemagne is pretty much "ancestral to all the royal houses of Europe" too, - but the more recent one gets with the claim, the more carefully it can be researched (and is often not quite true).

genegirl99 06-02-2011 10:29 PM

I'm working on getting as many royals I can into my family tree maker file and it's fascinating to see how interrelated everyone is. It's actually given me headaches to keep track of everyone.

Grandduchess24 07-01-2011 06:29 PM

Crown princess Victoria of Sweden
Crown prince haakon of Norway
Crown prince Frederik of Denmark
Prince Charles of wales
Prince Felipe of Asturias
Heirs and cousins in one way or another

Queen Elizabeth II of england
Queen Sofia of Spain
King Juan Carlos I of Spain
King Harald v of Norway
King Carl xvi gustaf of Sweden
King micheal I of Romania
Constantine II of Greece
Queen Anne Marie of Greece
Queen margarethe II of denmark
Monarchs and cousins through either or both queen Victoria of England or king Christian Ix of Denmark sometimes more than once

NotHRH 07-04-2011 02:42 AM

With all the intermarriage between descendants of just HM Queen Victoria of Great Britain and her first-cousin husband, Prince Albert, it is amazing (or untrue) there has not been nary a seriously deformed and/or seriously disabled/ mentally challenged offspring resulting from the union of descendants of HM QV who are related several times over - such as HM King JC of Spain and his wife, HM Queen Sofia. Because of this increased risk to an innocent 'potential child,' the introduction of new DNA/genes into many RF's these days was/is much needed and is for the best.

Tsaritsa 07-04-2011 03:50 AM

Intermarriage is not necesserily the cause of physical and/or mental impairment in children, however it DOES mean that the potential for these conditions already in a family never become diluted......and thus gives rise to tales of hairy monsters and hideous deformaties locked away in Royal attics.

PrincessKaimi 07-12-2011 12:42 PM

Many U.S. Presidents are descended from European nobility - most notably Plantagenets, but also many others. Included are:

George Washington
John Quincy Adams
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison (Zachary Taylor's cousin)
Zachary Taylor
Both Roosevelts
Woodrow Wilson
George Bush and George W. Bush
Andrew Jackson

And John Adams, while not straightforwardly descended from Royalty, is a descendant of Welsh aristocracy (and he married a woman with royal ancestry).

If you read much about the late Middle Ages or Renaissance, you at once realize that many younger sons or wayward children of aristocracy would have fled to a New World, had there been one - and their families would have helped them do so, either out of sentiment or to squash scandals.

Many of the sea captains who helped transport to Jamestown were descendants of nobility, often through female lines or younger brothers. Many of the investors in Jamestown had royal ancestry at some point (like the Taillefers).

LadyMacAlpine 07-31-2011 11:03 AM

There is a lot more. The Royal Blood of Some American Presidents. I've posted where this line goes back to Adam and Eve through of course the Royal House of David.

I'm related to the Adams on my mothers side and John the second was the father of John Quincey who was the sixth President related to the Spencers.

This is the main link for Genealogy-Roglo. The links don't last. Cináed I is Kenneth MacAlpin or Kenneth I of Scotland founder of my fathers family Clan. I ran from him to George Bush. The Adams and Spencers are related as I said however, this link says there is none.

Princess Diana's grandmother Lady Cynthia Elinor Beatrix Hamilton decends from James Hamilton, 1st Lord Hamilton married to Mary Stewart, Princess of Scotland. Making Prince William and Harry related to the Grimaldis thru both parents not just Prince Charles.

Its been three years since I did it but Rainier III father traced to Olof Skotkonung, King of Sweden making them cousins to Sweden's Royal family on both sides not just through Louis II. You never know what you will find with some of the programs available now online. Rainiers parents were also cousins through their Scottish ancestors.

When people say Prince Albert of Monaco looks like his mother and Rainier isn't his father I laugh. My family isn't related to the Kelly family but Grimaldis on our Scottish side. When Albert was younger he looked like he could have been my brother.

Meraude 08-16-2011 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Grandduchess24 (Post 1277257)
Queen Elizabeth II of england
Queen Sofia of Spain
King Juan Carlos I of Spain
King Harald v of Norway
King Carl xvi gustaf of Sweden
King micheal I of Romania
Constantine II of Greece
Queen Anne Marie of Greece
Queen margarethe II of denmark
Monarchs and cousins through either or both queen Victoria of England or king Christian Ix of Denmark sometimes more than once

And two sets of royal siblings: King Constantine and Queen Sofia are brother and sister, Queen Margarethe and Queen Anne-Marie are sisters.

PrincessKaimi 01-24-2012 11:31 PM

Oh yes, LadyMacAlpine - there's a lot more.

ironical 02-26-2012 01:39 AM

Would you please explain how related to each other Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, and Queen Sophia of Spain?

fearghas 02-26-2012 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ironical (Post 1376596)
Would you please explain how related to each other Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, and Queen Sophia of Spain?

King George I Greece - King Constantine I - King Paul - Queen Sophia
King Geirge I Greece - Prince Andrew - Prince Phillip
so first cousins once removed.
Another line
Queen Victoria - Empress Friedricj Germany - Princess Sophie - King Paul Greece - Queen Sophia
Queen Victoria - Princess Alice - Princess Luoise von Hesse - Princess Alice Battenberg - Prince Phillip
Third cousins this way.

ironical 02-26-2012 09:16 PM

:previous:
Thank you so much!
I only knew that both Prince Philip and Queen Sophia are from the Greece Royal Family, so I supposed that they could be relatives :flowers:

fearghas 02-27-2012 02:00 AM

you are welcome, I enjoy working out the relationships

Grandduchess24 05-19-2012 09:20 PM

I have an understanding that crown prince Alexander II of Yugoslavia and crown princess margarita of Romania are family through Queen Marie of Romania
And that King Albert II of Belgium is grand duke Henri of luxembourg's uncle making Guillaume and Philippe family.

HM king Juan Carlos I of Spain and HRH prince phillip, duke of Edinburgh are cousins through the brothers Louis and Henry Mountbatten and both are also related to their respective wives as well, I just wonder if when they met their future wives they knew they were cousins?

Meraude 05-20-2012 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Royal Fan (Post 610038)
How Were" Willy and Nicky" Related

Frederick William III of Prussia -> William I, German Emperor -> Frederik III, German Emperor -> William II, German Emperor
Frederick William III of Prussia -> Alexandra Feodorovna, Empress of Russia -> Alexander II of Russia -> Alexander III of Russia -> Nicholas II of Russia
They were thrid cousins once removed.

Artemisia 05-20-2012 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Grandduchess24 (Post 1414970)
HM king Juan Carlos I of Spain and HRH prince phillip, duke of Edinburgh are cousins through the brothers Louis and Henry Mountbatten and both are also related to their respective wives as well, I just wonder if when they met their future wives they knew they were cousins?

They most definitely did. Most European royals were (and still are) related, so it would have been hard to find one even in distant relation, let alone not related at all.
In case of Juan Carlos, I imagine there was a long search for an "eligible" Princess and Sofia ticked all boxes. Prince Philip knew Princess Elizabeth since she was a little girl; their meeting was arranged by Earl Mountbatten and both parties knew about it beforehand.

NotHRH 01-05-2016 09:27 PM

Both King George V and his wife Queen Mary were great-grandchildren of King George III and his consort Queen Charlotte. QV's father was G&C's 3rd son, The Duke of Kent, and their 7th and youngest son was Prince Adolphus, The Duke of Cambridge. So The Duke of Cambridge's daughter, Princess Mary Adelaide, and Princess Victoria (later QV) were 1st cousins. Mary Adelaide's daughter with husband Prince Francis of Teck, Princess Victoria Mary "May," married the future King George V. 😕👑

Curryong 01-06-2016 01:33 AM

^ I think that Princess Mary Adelaide (the Duchess of Teck) was probably quite glad that she and Queen Victoria were first cousins, actually. She and her husband had a hard time living within the bounds of their income and Victoria was good for a cheque on occasions!

NotHRH 01-06-2016 03:35 AM

Another 1st cousin of Princess Alexandrina Victoria of Kent (QV) and Mary Adelaide of Teck (née of Cambridge) was Princess Charlotte of Wales (all 3's fathers were brothers - sons of George III and Charlotte). Princess Charlotte was also the wife of QV's maternal uncle, Leopold of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. Charlotte of Wales died during the birth of her and Leopold's 1st child, a stillborn boy. Despondent, Leopold was later offered the position of "King of the Belgians," he accepted, was later remarried. 2 of QV's 1st cousins from Leo's 2nd marriage were Leopold II of the Belgians and Empress Carlota of Mexico (née Princess Charlotte of Belgium). QV's own husband, Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, was also a 1st cousin through her mother, The Duchess of Kent. The Duchess of Kent was the younger sister of Albert's father, Prince Ernest of Saxe-Coburg-Saafield (later Saxe-Coburg-Gotha). 😟😕👑

NotHRH 01-07-2016 11:52 PM

From Wikipedia : Post World War I era

In modern times, among European royalty at least, marriages between royal dynasties have become much rarer than they once were. Members of Europe's dynasties increasingly married members of the titled nobility, including George VI of the United Kingdom, Charles, Prince of Wales, Albert II of Belgium, Hans-Adam II of Liechtenstein, or untitled nobility as Philippe of Belgium and Beatrix of the Netherlands, and very often commoners, as Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden, Harald V of Norway, Henri of Luxembourg, Felipe VI of Spain, Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands, Prince William, Duke of Cambridge and Albert II of Monaco have done.

In Europe, only Juan Carlos I of Spain, Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom and Alois, Hereditary Prince of Liechtenstein married members of a foreign dynasty.[n 7][61]

This being said, royal intermarriage still occurs. For example:

Members of two reigning houses:
1) Prince Nikolaus of Liechtenstein and Princess Margaretha of Luxembourg (1982, most recent example of intermarriage between two European dynasties reigning at the time of the wedding)
2) Constantine II of Greece and Princess Anne Marie of Denmark (1964)
3) Juan Carlos I of Spain and Princess Sophia of Greece and Denmark (1962)
4) Jean, Grand Duke of Luxembourg and Princess Joséphine Charlotte of Belgium (1953)
5) Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom and Philip Mountbatten (born a Prince of Greece and Denmark) (1947)
6) Peter II of Yugoslavia and Princess Alexandra of Greece and Denmark (1944)
7) Frederick IX of Denmark and Princess Ingrid of Sweden (1935)
8) Prince George, Duke of Kent and Princess Marina of Greece and Denmark (1934)
9) Umberto II of Italy and Princess Marie José of Belgium (1930)
10) Boris III of Bulgaria and Princess Giovanna of Italy (1930)
11) Olav V of Norway and Princess Märtha of Sweden (1929)
12) Leopold III of Belgium and Princess Astrid of Sweden (1926)
13) Gustaf VI Adolf of Sweden and Lady Louise Mountbatten (born as Princess Louise of Battenberg) (1923)
14) Alexander I of Yugoslavia and Princess Maria of Romania (1922)


Members of one reigning house and one non-reigning house:

1) Princess Caroline of Monaco and Ernst August, Prince of Hanover (1999)
2) Princess Doña María of Bourbon and Archduke Simeon of Austria (1996)
3) Alois, Hereditary Prince of Liechtenstein and Duchess Sophie in Bavaria (1993)
4) Princess Astrid of Belgium and Archduke Lorenz of Austria-Este (1984)
5) Princess Marie-Astrid of Luxembourg and Archduke Carl Christian of Austria (1982)
6) Princess Barbara of Liechtenstein and Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia (1973)
7) Princess Benedikte of Denmark and Richard, 6th Prince of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg (1968)
8) Princess Irene of the Netherlands and Carlos Hugo, Duke of Parma (1964)
9) Princess Birgitta of Sweden and Prince Johann Georg of Hohenzollern (1961)
10) Princess Alix of Luxembourg and Antoine, 13th Prince de Ligne (1950)

Modern examples of dynastic intra-marriage:

1)Knud, Hereditary Prince of Denmark and Princess Caroline-Mathilde of Denmark (1933)

---As a result of dynastic intra-marriage all of Europe's 10 currently reigning hereditary monarchs since 1939 descend from a common ancestor, Johan Willem Friso, Prince of Orange.

NotHRH 01-08-2016 05:02 AM

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coupled_cousins

There is a "Royalty" section with list of royal cousins who have/had wed each other

princeofitaly 01-28-2019 06:09 AM

I read that last Queen of Italy Maria Josè of Belgium and also her brothers Leopold III of Belgium and Prince Charles Count of Flanders are cousins of Queen Elizabeth II.

Please, could someone tell me what is the connection between them?

Lumutqueen 01-28-2019 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by princeofitaly (Post 2192160)
I read that last Queen of Italy Maria Josè of Belgium and also her brothers Leopold III of Belgium and Prince Charles Count of Flanders are cousins of Queen Elizabeth II.

Please, could someone tell me what is the connection between them?

That's a stretch at best to call them cousins. As far as I can see from a cursory glance Leopold, Marie-Jose and Charles on their fathers side have the ancestor Francis, Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld. Francis was the grandfather of Queen Victoria who is Elizabeth II great great grandmother.

Duc_et_Pair 01-28-2019 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Lumutqueen (Post 2192164)
That's a stretch at best to call them cousins. As far as I can see from a cursory glance Leopold, Marie-Jose and Charles on their fathers side have the ancestor Francis, Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld. Francis was the grandfather of Queen Victoria who is Elizabeth II great great grandmother.


No cousins at all, indeed:


King Leopold III / Princess Marie-José / Prince Charles
|
Albert I, King of the Belgians
x Elizabeth, Herzogin in Bayern
|
Philippe, prince de Belgique
x Maria, Prinzessin von Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen
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Leopold I, King of the Belgians
x Louise, princesse d'Orléans
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Franz, Herzog von Sachsen-Coburg-Saalfeld
x Auguste Prinzessin Reuß zu Ebersdorf
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Ernst I, Herzog von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha
x Luise, Prinzessin von Sachsen-Gotha-Altenburg
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Albert, Prinz von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha
x Victoria, Queen of the UK of GB & I
|
Edward VII, King of the UK of GB & I
x Alexandra, Princess of Denmark
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George V, King of the UK of GB & NI
x Mary, Princess of Teck
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George VII, King of the UK of GB & NI
x Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon
|
Queen Elizabeth II / Princess Margaret

princeofitaly 01-29-2019 03:49 PM

Thanks so much for the explications.


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