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Lady Bluffton 06-10-2006 11:42 PM

Royal Cousins
 
Can we get a thread going about how closely related the current reigning royals are?

Example -- isn't Queen Margrethe the 1st cousin of King Carl Gustav??? (Wasn't Queen Ingrid the sister of Carl Gustav's dad???)

m 12 06-11-2006 12:27 AM

Queen Sofia of Spain is sister of King Kostantite of Greece. So, the prince felipe and the infantas are cousins to price pablos, alexia, nicholas, theodora and phillipos.

Also, because Anne- Marie is from greece price pablos, alexia, nicholas, theodora and phillipos are cousins to prince frederick and joachim of denmark.

norwegianne 06-11-2006 03:32 AM

Note: I'm talking monarchs here... ;) And I'm using Harald V of Norway as my starting point for this post.

Harald of Norway and Albert of Belgium are first cousins - their mothers (Crown Princess Märtha and Queen Astrid were sisters).

Harald and Margrethe are second cousins - their grandfathers Haakon VII and Christian X were brothers. In addition, they're also second cousins another way, as Harald's grandmother, Princess Ingeborg of Sweden, was a sister to Haakon and Christian. This also means that Albert of Belgium also is a second cousin to the Danish monarch, as he and Harald share Ingeborg as a mutual grandmother.

Harald and Elizabeth II are also second cousins as Harald's grandmother, Maud, was a sister to Elizabeth's grandfather, George.

Harald and Constantine (and therefore also Sofia), are third cousins by way of Christian X, and also by way of Queen Victoria. I'm doing a genealogy project, and without being nearly half way done or anything, Harald and Constantine are related in at least seven different ways. Mutual ancestors include Christian X (3rd cousins), Queen Victoria (3rd cousins), Friedrich Wilhelm III of Prussia (4th cousins once removed), Christian Albrecht of Gottorp (8th cousins once removed), Friedrich II of Hesse (6th cousins), Frederik 5 of Denmark (half 6th cousins), and Frederik 2 of Denmark (11th cousins once removed) ;)

Harald and Ernst August of Hannover are also 3rd cousins.

As are Harald and Juan Carlos of Spain.

Harald and Carl Gustaf of Sweden are 2. cousins once removed (Oscar II of Sweden), 3rd cousins (Queen Victoria), 4th cousins (Wilhelm of Schleswig Holstein Beck Glucksburg) 5th cousins (Friederich Wilhelm III of Prussia), 10th cousins (Frederik 3 of Denmark) and 12 cousins once removed (Christian 3 of Denmark)

Harald and Beatrix are 4th cousins once removed.

soCal girl 06-11-2006 03:49 AM

Carl Gustaf is cousins with Queen Margrethe and therefore Princess Benedikte and Queen Anne-Marie. Then that means Victoria, Carl Philip, and Madeleine are second cousins of Frederick and Joachim plus all the Greek offspring of King Constantine and Queen Anne-Marie.

Aren't Queen Margrethe and Queen Elizabeth first cousins? I was watching a documentary on Queen Elizabeth and Margrethe was on it and I'm pretty sure the caption said that they were cousins. If they are, through what royal are they related?

auntie 06-11-2006 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by soCal girl
Aren't Queen Margrethe and Queen Elizabeth first cousins? I was watching a documentary on Queen Elizabeth and Margrethe was on it and I'm pretty sure the caption said that they were cousins. If they are, through what royal are they related?

Elizabeth and Margertethe are third cousins twice : through Queen Victoria and King Christian of Denmark.

auntie 06-11-2006 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by norwegianne
Note: I'm talking monarchs here... ;) And I'm using Harald V of Norway as my starting point for this post...

Given the current state of things, it would be wuite dangerous of the current royals of Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Great Britain and even Belgium to intermarry, as it would not be the first time! Which is a risk as far as genetic diseases are concerened.

tdarlene 06-11-2006 06:44 AM

aren't queen sofia of spain and price ernst-august firts cousins?????

Lila Rose 06-11-2006 06:46 AM

Filip of Belgium and Henri of Luxoumburg are cousins in first line.( King Albert is the brother of Josephine-Charlotte )

Juanita 06-11-2006 08:33 AM

So, if i get everything, all the European Royal Families are connected... :)

Toledo 06-11-2006 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Lady Bluffton
Can we get a thread going about how closely related the current reigning royals are?
Example -- isn't Queen Margrethe the 1st cousin of King Carl Gustav??? (Wasn't Queen Ingrid the sister of Carl Gustav's dad???)

I found some sites related to royal relations, not just Europeans but World royalty too. :) Hope this helps our inquisitive minds with new information on how royalty is related to current members and, as a extra, their past lineages:

Royalty and nobility lineages in countries outside of Europe


Royal and Noble Genealogical Data on the Web


Directory of Royal Genealogical Data


Royal Descents of famous people


Starke Genealogy Index of German Nobility

Toledo 06-11-2006 08:59 AM

Now, this is a must have and must print out for everyone here! I just found one of the most complete PDF genealogical trees on the British Royals. If you view it with the browser you have to use the zoom in because I'm afraid it lists everybody. Enjoy:
http://www.achievements.co.uk/services/royal/RFT.pdf

Australian 06-11-2006 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Toledo
Now, this is a must have and must print out for everyone here! I just found one of the most complete PDF genealogical trees on the British Royals. If you view it with the browser you have to use the zoom in because I'm afraid it lists everybody. Enjoy:
http://www.achievements.co.uk/services/royal/RFT.pdf

Thanks a lot for that link Toledo!

Furienna 06-11-2006 06:49 PM

Yeah! Thanks!

Toledo 06-11-2006 11:58 PM

Your welcome to you both.

christinacg 06-12-2006 01:10 AM

King Albert II of Belgium and Victor Emmanuel of Italy are first cousins (Alberts dad King Leopold and Victor's Mom Queen Marie Jose were brother and sister.)

And yes Tdarlene, Sofia and Ernst August are first cousins as well.

soCal girl 06-12-2006 01:18 AM

It makes me dizzy trying to figure out the family lineage of some of these royals. I wonder if the royals themselves know exactly how they're all related to one another. Do they know that this royal is their third cousin twice removed by this royal? It just gets confusing after awhile. :D

norwegianne 06-12-2006 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by soCal girl
It makes me dizzy trying to figure out the family lineage of some of these royals. I wonder if the royals themselves know exactly how they're all related to one another. Do they know that this royal is their third cousin twice removed by this royal? It just gets confusing after awhile. :D

I wonder if they just don't think: "hey, they're family" without going into long fussy diatribes regarding how they're family. ;)

I mean, most of them are related in one way or another, near or distant. Philippe of Belgium and Albert of Monaco are sixth cousins... if not even closer, but that's not something you go around remembering.

morhange 06-12-2006 04:30 AM

Six modern monarchies have descendents from Queen Victoria: Great Britain of course, and Spain, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Luxembourg. And Belgium is descended from the same family as Queen V, the Coburgs.

Marengo 06-12-2006 05:17 AM

I don't believe the Luxembourg RF descends from Queen Victoria. Only Princess Sybilla (nee Weiller) and her children do, through Princess Beatrice and her daughter Queen Ena.

Furienna 06-12-2006 08:43 AM

Victoria belonged to the house of Hannover. Her husband Albert was a Coburg.

norwegianne 06-12-2006 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Furienna
Victoria belonged to the house of Hannover. Her husband Albert was a Coburg.

Her mother was a Coburg.

Royal Fan 06-12-2006 04:21 PM

How is the Last Tsar (Nicholas II) Related to Elizabeth II

Furienna 06-12-2006 06:44 PM

Well, the Brittish queen Alexandra and the Russian empress Dagmar (Maria) were two sisters from Denmark. Only that made the Brittish king George V and Tsar Nikolai II cousins. I also believe, that Nikolai's wife, Alix of Hessen, was Brittish queen Victoria's granddaughter and thus related to the Brittish royals. If Nikolai had gotten grandchildren, they would have been Queen Elizabeth II's third cousins in two different ways.

Lady Bluffton 06-13-2006 11:47 PM

I've always been fascinated by these intricate and extremely intertwined family trees -- gives a new dimension to why maybe the leading royals are "marrying out" (i.e. commoners like Mary Donaldson, Maxima, etc.). New blood is needed! Imagine what a series of genetic marker tests would be like for some of our fave royals!?!

Furienna 06-14-2006 01:17 PM

Yes, the new blood is needed. It's no wonder that some diseases were so common among the royals back in the day. They could only marry their cousins!

Toledo 06-15-2006 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by morhange
Six modern monarchies have descendents from Queen Victoria: Great Britain of course, and Spain, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Luxembourg. And Belgium is descended from the same family as Queen V, the Coburgs.

That is the best short explanation on royal links I have ever read anywhere! :)

KikkiB 06-16-2006 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Lady Bluffton
I've always been fascinated by these intricate and extremely intertwined family trees -- gives a new dimension to why maybe the leading royals are "marrying out" (i.e. commoners like Mary Donaldson, Maxima, etc.). New blood is needed! Imagine what a series of genetic marker tests would be like for some of our fave royals!?!

I've also been thinking about the genetics of the royal families of Europe. I know that King Olav and CP Märtha asked a genetics-guy whether or not it was wise for them to marry, since they were first cousins.

But then again, there might be an advantage of the close relations. Say -heavens forbid - that someone should need a kidney or something, a match would more easily be found. At least I think so, with my minimal knowledge of the topic :)

Toledo 06-16-2006 11:13 AM

While checking a name of a Brazilian prince with google I found an interesting link that surpised me. Is about the legendary beauty, Princess Fawiza of Egypt who seems to be related, through her children, to the Brazilian Imperial family. Brazil's Prince Joaozinho of Braganza is the grandson of Fawiza of Egypt, former wife of the Shah of Iran. Thus, the current claimant of Iran is related to the Braganzas-Brazil by his half sister's side, the daugther of the Shah and Queen Fawiza.
Chirine Family Tree (the modern family link between the Royal House of Egypt and the Imperial House of Brazil)

Here are some more on the Imperial House of Brazil's connections to other royals.

Toledo 06-16-2006 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Furienna
Yes, the new blood is needed. It's no wonder that some diseases were so common among the royals back in the day. They could only marry their cousins!

The European Royals need quite a few generations not to marry any more cousins to stop that dangerous family tradition.
I'll suggest during this century the Princes only marry contestants of the Miss World pageant and the Princeses mary only football/soccer players ;)

linneatherose 06-16-2006 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Bluffton
I've always been fascinated by these intricate and extremely intertwined family trees -- gives a new dimension to why maybe the leading royals are "marrying out" (i.e. commoners like Mary Donaldson, Maxima, etc.). New blood is needed! Imagine what a series of genetic marker tests would be like for some of our fave royals!?!

I agree. Even if every young royal marries outside of the family lines, genetic flaws WILL show up repeatedly for a few generations at least. And I DON'T mean dyslexia.
Over the years there have been many studies done on the Amish and Quaker communities in the US, and the findings regarding genetic problems in intermarrying communities were SHOCKING! And some of these communities aren't as closely related as royals. Besides... for anyone non-royal, isn't marrying a cousin pretty taboo? Even "gross?" Why shouldn't the same apply for royals?
I'm glad to see all of this new blood. Hooray for all of the commoners coming into the royal houses! I hope every prince and princess finds a "Mary"!:rolleyes:

Furienna 06-16-2006 05:02 PM

I believe it became gross and taboo for commoners to marry too close relatives many centuries ago, even if it still happened. But the more distinguished the family was, the more important it was, that you made a good match. The royals were the most distinguished of them all, of course, and they could only marry other royals. And soon, all the royals in Europe were related to each other, so it became more and more common for even first cousins to marry each other, and second, third and fourth cousins must have gotten married to each other all the time. Five Bernadotte princes have been rejected their royal titles and rights to the thrown because they married "common" women, but if they had married some of their relatives among Europe's princesses, even if they were their first cousins, it would have been okay. But it was worse in ancient Egypt. The pharaohs and their families were considered descendants of the god Horus, and it seems to have been common, that even half-siblings within that royal house married each other. They were divine after all, and they were only good enough for each other. And also, even if it was taboo for mere mortals to marry too close relatives, it was okay for half-gods like the royals. More modern royal houses have had similar ideas. Even if was taboo for commoners to marry close relatives, it was not only okay, but even the only thing to do, for royals.

Lady Jennifer 06-16-2006 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Toledo
Now, this is a must have and must print out for everyone here! I just found one of the most complete PDF genealogical trees on the British Royals. If you view it with the browser you have to use the zoom in because I'm afraid it lists everybody. Enjoy:
http://www.achievements.co.uk/services/royal/RFT.pdf

Thats a great link. Thanks for sharing it. I'm always looking for family trees.

Toledo 06-16-2006 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Furienna
I believe it became gross and taboo for commoners to marry too close relatives many centuries ago, even if it still happened. But the more distinguished the family was, the more important it was, that you made a good match. The royals were the most distinguished of them all, of course, and they could only marry other royals. And soon, all the royals in Europe were related to each other, so it became more and more common for even first cousins to marry each other, and second, third and fourth cousins must have gotten married to each other all the time. Five Bernadotte princes have been rejected their royal titles and rights to the thrown because they married "common" women, but if they had married some of their relatives among Europe's princesses, even if they were their first cousins, it would have been okay. But it was worse in ancient Egypt. The pharaohs and their families were considered descendants of the god Horus, and it seems to have been common, that even half-siblings within that royal house married each other. They were divine after all, and they were only good enough for each other. And also, even if it was taboo for mere mortals to marry too close relatives, it was okay for half-gods like the royals. More modern royal houses have had similar ideas. Even if was taboo for commoners to marry close relatives, it was not only okay, but even the only thing to do, for royals.

Royals in particular are like a mini town community that did not marry much out of their rank. Even nobles were often not good enough for a royal marriage. That did not stop neither Royals or Aristocrats from finding other ways to multiply with each other that did not involve wearing white. But the legal ones were limited to their own kin, thus the dangerous inbreeding. How do you think the facial traits became so exagerated in so many paintings of that period.
Now that marriage is a little more flexible I don't see why royal princes have to give up the titles for just making improvements with some much needed new DNA in the family.

Toledo 06-16-2006 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Jennifer
Thats a great link. Thanks for sharing it. I'm always looking for family trees.

Me too! I'll keep you in mind then when I stroll around the web looking for new or rare family trees. I'll pm them to you for your collection. I created a folder in my laptop to store them by country or timeline.

Furienna 06-16-2006 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Toledo
Royals in particular are like a mini town community that did not marry much out of their rank. Even nobles were often not good enough for a royal marriage. That did not stop neither Royals or Aristocrats from finding other ways to multiply with each other that did not involve wearing white. But the legal ones were limited to their own kin, thus the dangerous inbreeding. How do you think the facial traits became so exagerated in so many paintings of that period.
Now that marriage is a little more flexible I don't see why royal princes have to give up the titles for just making improvements with some much needed new DNA in the family.

That's so true. We had a Prince Oskar in Sweden, who was disowned for marrying a lady-in-waiting named Ebba Munck af Fulkila. Her name suggests, that she was a noble lady, but not even that was good enough for a prince. But if he had married his cousin's daughter, like his brother Carl did, he would have remained a prince. Carl's and Ingeborg's daughters Astrid and Märta became ancestors of the Belgian and Norveigan royal houses respectively, while their cousins, Oscar's and Ebba's children, fell into oblivion as mere counts and countesses. It was just absurd. You weren't allowed to marry who you wanted, but you were allowed to marry your cousin! The new blood is very needed, and common-born queens like Silvia and Sonja could hardly have been better if they had been born as princesses, could they?

morhange 06-18-2006 04:33 PM

I think Queen Victoria would both agree and disagree with some of you!

I'm reading Grandmama of Europe by Theo Aronson, and I looked through some of the page that I've read, but I can't find where it was, so I'll do my best to paraphrase.

Queen V DID say she wished for some new blood in Europe's royal families, mostly because she was tired of all the blonde-haired, blue-eyed princes and princesses, and thought introducing some darker features would do them some good. She also believed that a marriage should be made for love, and not political reasons, and didn't like forcing her numerous grandchildren into politically advantageous marriages unless they were willing.

However she did say that she thought marrying within the family was a way to strengthen the royal bloodline. She figured if a prince was worried that such close blood relationships with a potential wife would cause genetic defects in the children, he would go out of his way to avoid her, and then marry some commoner or low-born countess (or princess) with no real royal blood, who would just bring in the very diseases he was trying to avoid.

I wouldn't say hemophilia in her descendants was caused by such close marriages, because it would have happened regardless of whether Alix and Ena had married into royalty or not. It might have been CAUSED by Victoria's being first cousins with Albert, but who knows.

Lady Jennifer 07-02-2006 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by morhange
Six modern monarchies have descendents from Queen Victoria: Great Britain of course, and Spain, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Luxembourg. And Belgium is descended from the same family as Queen V, the Coburgs.

Leopold I of Belguim was Queen Victoria's uncle (brother to the Queen's mother) & the uncle of Prince Albert (brother to Albert's father). He was also the son-in-law of King George IV when he married Princess Charlotte....so he was also a cousin-in-law to Queen Victoria & nephew-in-law to his sister. :D

SusanE 07-04-2006 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by morhange
I wouldn't say hemophilia in her descendants was caused by such close marriages, because it would have happened regardless of whether Alix and Ena had married into royalty or not. It might have been CAUSED by Victoria's being first cousins with Albert, but who knows.

No, Albert and Victoria being first cousins had nothing to do with hemophilia because it is transmitted by the mother unless the father is a hemophiliac...and Albert was not a hemophiliac. Most experts feel that the hemophilia gene in Victoria was due to a sponataneous mutation. Here are some hemophilia basics:

Hemophilia is transmitted on the X chromosome and it is a recessive trait. Women have XX chromosomes and men have XY chromosomes. Each person gets 1 chromosome from each parent. A woman has XX chromosome so she can only pass an X chromosome onto her children. A man has XY and can pass either chromosome on so the father determines the child's sex. If the father passes the X, it's a girl and if the father passes the Y, it's a boy. Now let's look at a woman carrying hemophilia. The hemophilia gene will be on only 1 of her chromosomes so the carrier mother has a 50% chance of passing on the chromosome with hemophilia. If she passes the chromosome on to a daughter, that daughter will be a carrier. The daughter will not have hemophilia because she has a healthy X chromosome from her father. But if the mother passes that X chromosome on to a boy, he will be a hemophiliac. The only way for a female to be a hemophiliac is for her to be the daughter of a carrier and a hemophiliac. The daughter of a hemophiliac will always be a carrier because her father can only pass on an X chromosome with hemophilia on it. However a hemophiliac's sons will not have hemophilia because the hemophiliac father will pass on a Y chromosome and his wife will pass on a healthy X chromosome.


crisiñaki 07-11-2006 03:45 PM

Vittorio Emmanuele of Italy and Simeon of Bulgaria are first cousins, Simeon's mother was sister of VE's father...

Also Amadeo of Aosta is first cousin with Queen Sofia (like almost everybody else:D) because his mother was sister to King Pavlos I (Sofia's father) so Aimone is second cousin to Felipe, Cristina, Elena, Alexia, Pavlos, Nikolaos, Theodora and Phillippos...

Queen Sofia is also first cousin of Ernst August of Hannover so Juan Urdangarín de Borbón and Alexandra of Hannover are third cousins :D:D:D

HRH Kerry 07-13-2006 07:38 AM

1st cousins Felipe and Pavlos were roommates at Georgetown University in Washington, DC

magnik 07-13-2006 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Royal Fan
How is the Last Tsar (Nicholas II) Related to Elizabeth II

Few of their relationships:
http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=e...olor=;i=219876

Furienna 10-10-2006 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Norwegianne
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Originally Posted by Furienna
Victoria belonged to the house of Hannover. Her husband Albert was a Coburg.

Her mother was a Coburg.

Oh, I forgot to say this. Both Victoria's mother and Albert were Coburgs. Albert was Victoria's mother's brother's son, that is, her first cousin.

magnik 10-10-2006 01:58 PM

Franz Friedrich von Sachsen-Coburg-Saalfeld, Herzog von SCS (1750-1806) and his second wife Auguste Karoline,Grafin Reuss zu Ebersdorf (1757-1831) have 9 childrens. Two of them were:
- Ernst I (1784-1844), Herzog von Sachsen-Coburg-Saalfeld 1806-1826, Herzog von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha 1826-1844 ) with his first wife 1817-1826 div, Luise von Sachsen, Herzogin von Sachsen-Altenburg (1800-1831) has 2 sons, including Albert von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha, Prinz von SCG, Herzog von Sachsen and Prince Consort of Great Britain and Ireland (1819-1861);
- Victoria (1786-1861), Prinzessin von SCS, married twice, first with Furst Emich von Leiningen (1763-1814) two children; second with Edward Augustus von Hannover, Duke of Kent (1767-1820) - Queen Victoria (1819-1901).

http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=e...=0&color=&et=A

Furienna 10-10-2006 02:04 PM

So Queen Victoria had two older half siblings?

magnik 10-10-2006 02:24 PM

Yes.
1. Carl (1804-1856) Furst von Leiningen 1814-1856 married 1829-1848 div, with Marie Grafin Klebelsberg (1806-1880)- son Ernst (1830-1904) married with Marie Zahringen, Princes von Baden (1834-1899) two children. http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/gotha/leiningen.html
2. Feodore (1807-1872) Princess von Leiningen married with Ernst, Prince zu Hohenlohe-Langenburg (1794-1860) six children. http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/gotha/hohenlohe.html


http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=en;i=116355
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princes...oburg-Saalfeld

puppigurl2005 10-12-2006 11:19 PM

i was able to find a website devoted to Queen Victoria's Descendants. the creator gives detailed charts about every royal family that existed and who were related to Victoria. i don't think the site has been posted , and if it has, please let me know...I'm a little sketchy on the posting websites thing so I'll just give directions (i really don't want to be reprimanded again). anyways, just go on to any browser and type in descendants of queen victoria and it should be the second site listed. Hope this proves usefull to your cousin thread.

SusanE 10-14-2006 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by puppigurl2005
i was able to find a website devoted to Queen Victoria's Descendants. the creator gives detailed charts about every royal family that existed and who were related to Victoria. i don't think the site has been posted , and if it has, please let me know...I'm a little sketchy on the posting websites thing so I'll just give directions (i really don't want to be reprimanded again). anyways, just go on to any browser and type in descendants of queen victoria and it should be the second site listed. Hope this proves usefull to your cousin thread.

This may be the site you have in mind:

http://www.btinternet.com/~allan_raymond/QV_Descendants_Statistics.htm

Furienna 10-14-2006 04:17 PM

That's a very interesting page, SusanE. It might not be what Puppigurl has seen, but I like it.

puppigurl2005 10-14-2006 09:58 PM

yeah, thats the page. Guess eveyone has seen it except me. i now have it bookmarked...just in case i need to figure out whose related to who some day.

kelausha 01-16-2007 09:08 PM

The closest intermarriages seems to have occured in the Catholic Royal Families, where it was not unsual for an uncle to marry a niece.

King Constantine II of Greece and Prince Philip of UK are first cousins once removed.

King George I - Prince Andrew- Prince Philip

King George I- King Constantine- King Paul- Constantine II

puppigurl2005 04-18-2007 01:39 PM

Robert Warholm's Royal site

found this site while looking for royal cousins. All you have to do is click on the royal house that you want to look at, click on FAQ and scroll down to the very end to see how every monarch is related to that particular house. It's quite helpful.

http://ftp.cac.psu.edu/~saw/royal/royalgen.html

This site is also helpful...and very complex (starts with the British Royal family and keeps on building)

acdc1 05-07-2007 02:46 PM

Is the princely family of Monaco related to any other royals? I'm pretty sure they are not through the close ties that other royal families are, but are they related anywhere?

principessa 05-08-2007 02:47 PM

The page warholm.nu is very interesting for the relationships of the royal Europe. The exact relation is reported. It's very easy to understand because he had discribed the relation of each monarch to another monarch.

puppigurl2005 05-08-2007 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by acdc1
Is the princely family of Monaco related to any other royals? I'm pretty sure they are not through the close ties that other royal families are, but are they related anywhere?

Denmark: Queen Margrethe II and the late Prince Rainier were 5th cousins once removed (5th cousin twice removed for Prince Albert)

Sweden: King Carl Gustaf and the late Prince Rainier were 5th cousins once removed (same as Denmark)

Norway: King Harald V and the late Prince Rainier were 6th cousins once removed (making Prince Albert King Harald V's 6th cousin twice removed...)

Belgium: King Albert II and the late Prince Rainier were 4th cousins (which makes Prince Albert his 4th cousin once removed)

Netherlands: Queen Beatrix and the late Prince Rainier were 6th cousins (making Prince Albert her 6th cousin once removed)

Luxmebourg: Grand Duke Henri and the late Prince Rainier were 4th cousins once removed (which makes Prince Albert his 4th cousin twice removed)

Spain: King Juan Carlos and the late Prince Rainier were 5th cousins (making Prince Albert his 5th cousin once removed)

Liechtenstien: Prince Hans-Adams and the late Prince Rainier were 5th cousins (which makes Prince Albert his 5th cousin once removed)

Bulgaria: King Simeon II and the late Prince Rainier were 5th cousins once removed (making Prince Albert his 5th cousin twice removed)

Romania: King Mihai I and the late Prince Rainer were 4th cousins. (whcih makes Prince Albert his 4th cousin once removed)

Yugoslavia: Crown Prince Alexander and the late Prince Rainier were 4th cousins once removed (which makes Prince Albert his 4th cousin twice removed)

Greece: King Constantine II and the late Prince Rainier were 6th cousins (making him and Prince Albert 6th cousins once removed)

Portugal: Prince Duarte Pio and the late Prince Rainier were 7th cousins (making him and Prince Albert 7th cousins once removed)

anyone who wants to make corrections with the relations, please do. :flowers:

BurberryBrit 05-11-2007 08:47 AM

Hans Adams of Liechtenstein is a cousin of Queen Elizabeth. Does anyone know if they are related to other royals?

tlg00 05-11-2007 11:48 AM

Hans Adam II is a third cousin to both Albert II of Belgium and Grand Duke Henri through Michael I of Portugal.

Michael I - Maria Theresa - Elisabeth - Franz Joseph II - Hans Adam II
Michael I - Maria Josepha - Elisabeth - Leopold III - Albert II

Henri has more than one line of descent from Michael I. He and Hans Adam are third cousins through GD Jean and third cousins once removed through Josephine-Charlotte.

Michael I - Maria Theresa - Elisabeth - Franz Joseph II - Hans Adam II
Michael I - Maria Anna - Charlotte - Jean - Henri

Michael I - Maria Theresa - Elisabeth - Franz Joseph II - Hans Adam II
Michael I - Maria Antonia - Felix - Jean - Henri

Michael I - Maria Theresa - Elisabeth - Franz Joseph II - Hans Adam II
Michael I - Maria Josepha - Elisabeth - Leopold III - Josephine-Charlotte - Henri

BurberryBrit 05-11-2007 01:25 PM

Thanks for the info!

Royal Fan 05-11-2007 02:08 PM

How Were" Willy and Nicky" Related

acdc1 05-11-2007 03:17 PM

They were distant cousins (can another member tell how?) but they were closely related through marriage. Nicholas' wife, Alexandra, was Willy's first cousin (their mothers were sisters). However, Alexandra had always disliked Willy.

andrew 02-13-2008 11:29 AM

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King Michael is:
-first cousin with Constantine II, his mother was Constantine's father's sister; -first cousin once removed with Alexander II of Yugoslavia(Alexander's maternal grandfather was brother to queen Helen-mother of Michael);
-second cousin with Prince Charles(Charles' paternal grandfather and Michael's maternal grandfather were brothers)
-second cousin once removed with Prince Felipe
-third cousin with Queen Elizabeth II
-third cousin with King Juan Carlos
-third cousin with king Harald V

andrew 02-13-2008 03:20 PM

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Crown-Princess Margaret of Romania, apart from the cousins from her father's side is:
-second cousin of Grand-duke Henri
-second cousin of Archduke Karl, son of Otto de Habsburg
-third cousin of king Harald(fourth through her father)
-third cousin of Queen Margrethe
-third cousin of Albert II

fearghas 02-14-2008 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by magnik (Post 518410)
Yes.
1. Carl (1804-1856) Furst von Leiningen 1814-1856 married 1829-1848 div, with Marie Grafin Klebelsberg (1806-1880)- son Ernst (1830-1904) married with Marie Zahringen, Princes von Baden (1834-1899) two children. Leiningen
2. Feodore (1807-1872) Princess von Leiningen married with Ernst, Prince zu Hohenlohe-Langenburg (1794-1860) six children. Hohenlohe


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Princess Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Feodara granddaughter, Dona of S.H.S.A., Married Victorias grandson, Emperor Wilhelm II of Germany.

Leslie2006 02-24-2008 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Royal Fan (Post 455366)
How is the Last Tsar (Nicholas II) Related to Elizabeth II

Nicholas II and his wife Alexandra were both first cousins to George V (Alexandra's mother Alice was a sister to George's father Edward VII; George and Nicholas' mothers, Dagmar (Marie Feodorovna) and Alix, were sisters.) So...Nicholas II would either be a second cousin or a second cousin twice removed to Elizabeth II through the Danish line, but I'm not sure. Anyone else know?

Christian IX - Alix - George V - George VI - Elizabeth II
Christian IX - MF - Nicholas II

She was also related to Nicholas II's wife Alexandra through Queen Victoria:

QV - Alice - Alix
QV - EVII - George V - George VI - Elizabeth II

AND Nicholas II and his wife, Alexandra, were also second cousins to each other.

Leslie2006 02-24-2008 01:50 AM

Actually, now that I've looked at it again I think they'd be FIRST cousins twice removed. Second cousins mean they're the same generation, and NII and EII obviously wouldn't be.

fearghas 02-24-2008 04:34 AM

they are second cousins twice removed.
Second cousins are of the same generation, the twice removed indicates how many generations further on one is from the other

Next Star 07-24-2008 11:10 PM

Queen Elizabeth II of The UK and her husband Prince Philp,Duke of Edinburg are third cousins. Grand Herni of Luxembourg and Prince Carlos -Hugo of Bourbon-Parma are second cousins.

Sg1fan 07-24-2008 11:19 PM

Who is the link in the Grimaldi tree that hooks them into the rest of the royal families? I had no clue that the Grimaldi family were cousins of any sort to the royals! That's exciting new for me!

Warren 07-25-2008 12:45 AM

:previous:
The common hook is Johann Georg II, Prince of Anhalt-Dessau (d 1693).
From him descend the current Heads and Monarchs of Albania, Austria, Bavaria, Belgium, Denmark, Great Britain, Greece, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, Netherlands, Norway, Spain and Sweden.

The Monaco descent:
Johann Georg II > Henriette Amalie > Jan Willem Friso, Prince of Orange > Anna Charlotte > Karl Friedrich, Grand Duke of Baden > Karl Ludwig > Karl, Grand Duke of Baden > Marie > Mary (dau of the 11th Duke of Hamilton) > Louis II, Prince of Monaco > Charlotte > Rainier III > Albert II.

source: Burke's Royal Families of the World, Vol I

Sg1fan 07-25-2008 03:29 AM

Thank you Warren, that's so very exciting! I had researched my genealogy and found I had some relationships shared with some of the royal families, but I never considered that the Grimaldi family had shared any of those connections! :flowers::queen3:

kyansaunt20 07-28-2008 10:44 PM

Prince Amedeo of Belgium and his siblings are cousins to the Luxembourg on both sides of their family. On their mom's side King Albert II was brother to Grand Duchess Charlotte Henri's Mother. On their father's side Empress Zita (nee Bourbon-Parma) Amedeo's great grandmother and Felix of Bourbon-Parma were brother and sister. Felix of Bourbon-Parma is the father of Grand Duke Jean and grandfather of the reigning Duke Henri.

Melania 05-16-2009 07:15 PM

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I don't know where I found this chart. I've had it saved on my computer for awhile. I thought I would share post it, but I didn't know where exactly, so I am posting it here. Maybe it might help when trying to understand the relationships between royal families.

LadyMacAlpine 05-29-2009 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren (Post 803133)
:previous:
The common hook is Johann Georg II, Prince of Anhalt-Dessau (d 1693).
From him descend the current Heads and Monarchs of Albania, Austria, Bavaria, Belgium, Denmark, Great Britain, Greece, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, Netherlands, Norway, Spain and Sweden.

The Monaco descent:
Johann Georg II > Henriette Amalie > Jan Willem Friso, Prince of Orange > Anna Charlotte > Karl Friedrich, Grand Duke of Baden > Karl Ludwig > Karl, Grand Duke of Baden > Marie > Mary (dau of the 11th Duke of Hamilton) > Louis II, Prince of Monaco > Charlotte > Rainier III > Albert II.

source: Burke's Royal Families of the World, Vol I

This is the one most know of. The Duke of Hamilton also has Royal ties to the Windsors, Hanovers and cousins to the Spencers through Diana's grandmother. Instead of trying to list it this is a link to the Grimaldi Ancestors where you can find the information several of us have posted. Rainier's parents were also cousins.

Lighthouse 09-24-2009 09:54 AM

The royals are uncomfortably close but I think a lot of us commoners are also closer related than we realise. We just don't have our family trees perfectly recorded going back hundreds of years so we can work it all out.:ermm:

A lot of us commoners are also related to royals so marrying commoners doesn't automatically guarantee to adequately dilute the blood line. For instance I'm a commoner descended from Australian pioneers in the 1700s but I'm also related to Eugenie Empress of France (through her mother) who was of Scottish Closeburn stock like me. We'd be cousins to some degree. I guess my point is that it seems the whole world is related nowadays no matter where we live or our social backgrounds.

LadyMacAlpine 09-26-2009 05:18 PM

Genealogy chart of Johann Georg II showing Royal Cousins, The Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Luxembourg, Sweden, Belgium, Spain, Great Britain, Monaco and Liechtenstein from Special Royals Issue of Life the summer 1998. I split the first chart into two parts to make the names easier to read.

Chart 1, Chart 2, Chart 3

I also just ran a program that says Johann Georg II is a descendant of Kenneth I of Scotland. Ancestors of Johann Georg II, Prinz von Anhalt-Dessau up to Cináed I(Kenneth I), king of Scotland: click here.

crownprincessrhey 10-02-2009 10:42 AM

what do you mean by twice removed???
i also wonder how they interact with each other. I mean my cousins and I are close especially the first and 2nd cousins..are they also close???

Maura724 10-02-2009 02:01 PM

Lady MacAlpine - I love your charts, that's really helpful to see it all drawn out like that.

crownprincessrhey - It's sort of hard to explain how removals and so on work without being able to draw you a diagram, but I'll try to do it in words. First cousins, of course, are people whose parents are siblings and who have the same grandparents. For instance, Frederik of Denmark and Alexia of Greece are first cousins because their mothers (Margrethe and Anne-Marie) are sisters and they share Frederik IX and Ingrid as grandparents. Frederik and Alexia's children - say, Christian and Arrietta Morales - are 2nd cousins. 2nd cousins have parents who are first cousins. When Christian and Arrietta both have kids of their own, those kids will be 3rd cousins, then the grandkids will be 4th cousins, and so on through future generations.

Here's how removals work. A lot of people think that since Fred and Alexia are first cousins, Fred's son Christian is Alexia's 2nd cousin and her daughter Arrietta is Fred's 2nd cousin. This is not true. When you move between generations, you have a removal. You look back to the nearest generational pair - in this case Fred and Alexia - and then you count how many generations back it was - in this case one. So Christian is Alexia's 1st cousin, once removed. Christian's children will be two generations away from Fred and Alexia, so Alexia and those kids will be 1st cousins, twice removed. Christian's children and Arrietta (Alexia's daughter) will be 2nd cousins (going back to the pair of Christian and Arrietta) once removed (going one generation down).

Does that make sense?

crownprincessrhey 10-16-2009 09:47 PM

thank you very much maura, it was really helpful...i learned a lot...thanks again

Leslie2006 08-10-2010 04:29 AM

The Scandinavian heirs are fairly closely related through Oscar II of Sweden and Queen Victoria of England:

Frederick and Victoria are double second cousins:

QV ----->Arthur ------>Margaret ----->Gustaf ------>Carl XVI Gustaf ----> Victoria

QV ---->Edward VII--->Margaret ----->Ingrid -------> Margrethe II ------> Frederick

Oscar II ----->Gustaf V -----> Gustaf VI Adolf ------>Ingrid ------> Margrethe II -----> Frederick

Oscar II
----->Gustaf V -----> Gustaf VI Adolf ------>Gustaf------->Carl XVI Gustaf ------> Victoria

Victoria is a third cousin, once removed to Haakon:

Oscar II ----->Carl ------>Martha ----->Harald V ----->Haakon
Oscar II------>Gustaf V-->Gustaf VI Adolf--->Gustaf---->Carl XVI Gustaf ---->Victoria

Frederick is also a third cousin, once removed to Haakon:

Oscar II ----->Gustaf V ----->Gustaf VI Adolf ----> Ingrid ----> Margrethe II ----> Frederick

Oscar II ----->Carl --------->Martha------------>Harald V------> Haakon

SLV 08-10-2010 05:20 PM

Pfffew.... I'd love to see a proper tree of the connections between all these royals. With colours for the different families etc. Written in words it stays confusing.
But then, one would need to take at least a sabbatical to have time enough to make it.

Furienna 08-10-2010 08:09 PM

I'm sorry, Leslie, but I think you made some mistakes. If I'm not totally wrong, the common ancestry to Queen Victoria should be like this:

Victoria ---> Edward ---> Maud ---> Olav ---> Harald ---> Haakon

Victoria ---> Arthur ---> Margareth --- > Gustaf Adolf --- > Carl Gustaf ---> Victoria

Victoria ---> Arthur ---> Margareth --- > Ingrid ---> Margarethe ---> Frederick


And let's not forget either, that the Norvegian royal family actually is a part of the Danish royal family.

Frederick VIII ---> Christian X ---> Frederick IX ---> Margarethe II ---> Frederick

Frederick VIII ---> Carl/Haakon ---> Olav V ---> Harald V ---> Haakon

Shikha Pal 08-10-2010 09:29 PM

Late Grand Duchess Josephine Charlotte of Luxembourg is the sister of King Albert of Belgium. Josephine Charlotte"s daughter Marie Astrid married Archduke Carl Christian who is a cousin of Archduke Lorenz of Austria, now Prince of Belgium, who is the son in law of King Albert of Belgium. So the children of both the couples are second cousins twice.

The Prince Michel of Ligne married D. Leonora of Brazil, whose brother, D. Antonio married Princess Christine of Ligne, The sister of Prince Michel of Ligne. So the children of both the couples are cousins twice.

Princess Alix of Luxembourg, is the sister of Grand Duke Jean of Luxembourg. She married a Prince of Ligne (Unfortunately i cannot remember his name!). So, Grand Duke Henri and Prince Michel of Ligne are cousins

Grand Duke Henri"s sister Princess Margaretha has married Prince Nikolaus of Liechtenstein who is the brother of Prince Hans Adam of Liechtenstien

Leslie2006 08-11-2010 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Furienna (Post 1123327)
I'm sorry, Leslie, but I think you made some mistakes. If I'm not totally wrong, the common ancestry to Queen Victoria should be like this:

Victoria ---> Edward ---> Maud ---> Olav ---> Harald ---> Haakon

Victoria ---> Arthur ---> Margarethe --- > Gustaf Adolf --- > Carl Gustaf ---> Victoria

Victoria ---> Arthur ---> Margarethe --- > Ingrid ---> Margarethe ---> Frederick


And let's not forget either, that the Norvegian royal family actually is a part of the Danish royal family.

Frederick VIII ---> Christian X ---> Frederick IX ---> Margarethe II ---> Frederick

Frederick VIII ---> Carl/Haakon ---> Olav V ---> Harald V ---> Haakon

Yeah you're right with the Queen Victoria connection; it was about 2:00 AM when I originally typed that up (in Word) so now that I look at it, the mistakes make sense.

So Haakon and Victoria are 4th cousins, Frederick and Victoria are 2nd cousins through Queen Victoria; Haakon and Frederick are 3rd cousins through Frederick VIII. What about their connection through Oscar II of Sweden? I probably screwed that one up too. lol

Furienna 08-11-2010 05:39 PM

Those connections would be:

Oscar II ---> Gustaf V --- > Gustaf VI Adolf ---> Gustaf Adolf ---> Carl XVI Gustaf ---> Victoria

Oscar II ---> Gustaf V ---> Gustaf VI Adolf ---> Ingrid ---> Margarethe II ---> Frederick

Oscar II ---> Carl ---> Märta ---> Harald V ---> Haakon

So if I've understood this correctly, Victoria and Frederick are still 2nd cousins, and Haakon is their mutual 3rd cousin once removed.

Leslie2006 08-29-2010 08:09 PM

So the Scandinavian royals are fairly closely related then. Wow. I've also read several times that Victoria, Frederick and Haakon are more like siblings to each other than cousins. They're all fairly close in age too - Frederick is the oldest (born 1968), followed by Haakon (born 1973), then Victoria (born 1977).

Shikha Pal 08-30-2010 04:16 AM

King Albert of Belgium and King Harald of Norway are cousins, their mothers are sisters

oneofthem 12-16-2010 10:38 PM

You all talk about adding "fresh blood" to the royal lines by having the various royals marry "commoners". The only way Prince William could add "fresh blood", for instance, to the Royal family in the UK is if he married an Asian or African girl. Let me put it this way...is there anyone here who is descended from Sir Thomas Fairfax and Ann Gascoigne, or from Sir Ralph Neville, Earl of Westmorland (through either of his wives....Margaret Stafford or Joan Beaufort). If you are, and your a woman (of the right age to be young enough to be William's fiancee), then you'll be William's 19th Cousin via Sir Ralph or 15th Cousin via Sir Thomas. It means that there are a great number of women around who are fairly close cousins of the Prince...quite a few million of them to be precise.

It doesn't matter who he marries, there is a good chance that they are actually family and not as far removed as you might think or believe.

Furienna 12-23-2010 07:48 PM

Well, 15th cousin is hardly that closely related, is it? It's not like the royals of older days, who married their 1rst cousins.

nascarlucy 12-25-2010 07:52 AM

It seems like most of the royal households in Europe have a connection to each other. Some are more close than others. It's been very interesting when royals marry commoners and the commoners that they marry usually have link to them (of course it's 12 or 13 times removed or further back but the link is still there). The link always seems to be there. It would be interesting to find out how many royals have married a commoner that shared no link to them at all or had no royal bloodline at all. I can think of a few people but I'm not 100% sure.

oneofthem 12-26-2010 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Furienna (Post 1180210)
Well, 15th cousin is hardly that closely related, is it? It's not like the royals of older days, who married their 1rst cousins.

No, it's not like the olden days, however, 15th cousins isn't all that distant. If you were talking 25th or 30th cousins, then you'd be talking some distance between the two people. Anything more than 20th cousins is a good distance between two people.

oneofthem 12-26-2010 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by nascarlucy (Post 1180657)
It seems like most of the royal households in Europe have a connection to each other. Some are more close than others. It's been very interesting when royals marry commoners and the commoners that they marry usually have link to them (of course it's 12 or 13 times removed or further back but the link is still there). The link always seems to be there. It would be interesting to find out how many royals have married a commoner that shared no link to them at all or had no royal bloodline at all. I can think of a few people but I'm not 100% sure.

There would be a few people with no royal links around, but not as many as you would think. Most people would have some form of aristocracy in their family trees.

Furienna 12-29-2010 10:53 PM

I would say neither our queen, Silvia, nor Norway's queen, Sonja, most likely have any royal background. Of course, if we're talking fifteen generations back, I'm not sure, but still...

oneofthem 01-05-2011 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Furienna (Post 1182486)
I would say neither our queen, Silvia, nor Norway's queen, Sonja, most likely have any royal background. Of course, if we're talking fifteen generations back, I'm not sure, but still...

You wouldn't know unless you looked....I'd say there's a reasonable chance that they have. You don't have to be connected within a few generations (say seven, for instance) to be of royal descent, whether directly or indirectly. If they have any noble blood in their veins, so to speak, at any stage, there's a good chance of a royal connection. Most people at this forum who have royal connections would have to go back 15-30 generations. Some are luckier, others would have to go back further. But that doesn't lessen their connection anymore than someone born into such a family. Those that retain their privileged positions are those family members who come from the lines lucky or ruthless enough to have retained their status. The others just have to make their merry way.

Grandduchess24 03-22-2011 12:01 PM

Queen Elizabeth II of England has many royal cousins and most is through Queen Victoria or King Christian IX of Denmark or otherwise because she is related to

HM king Juan Carlos I of Spain
HM king Michael I of Romania
HM king Carl XVI of Sweden
HM Queen Sofia of Spain
HM Queen Margarethe II of Denmark
HM Queen Anne Marie of Greece
HM king Harald C of Norway
HM king Constantine II of Greece
And in some way probably to the monarchs of Belgium, lietchenstein, Monaco, Luxembourg and Russia
And at times maybe related to their spouse
Like Anne Marie and Constantine , Sofia and Juan Carlos , Elizabeth II and prince Phillip .

Leslie2006 03-22-2011 12:18 PM

William and Kate are 12th cousins, once removed via an illegitimate descendant of the Stuarts. Also, Princess Diana and the former Duchess of York are distant cousins through Georgiana, Duchess of Devonshire. Diana is descendant from Georgiana's son, the Marquess of Hartington, while Sarah is descended from her illegitimate daughter, Eliza Courtney.

Furienna 03-23-2011 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Grandduchess24 (Post 1219393)
Queen Elizabeth II of England has many royal cousins and most is through Queen Victoria or King Christian IX of Denmark or otherwise because she is related to

HM king Juan Carlos I of Spain
HM king Michael I of Romania
HM king Carl XVI of Sweden
HM Queen Sofia of Spain
HM Queen Margarethe II of Denmark
HM Queen Anne Marie of Greece
HM king Harald C of Norway
HM king Constantine II of Greece
And in some way probably to the monarchs of Belgium, lietchenstein, Monaco, Luxembourg and Russia
And at times maybe related to their spouse
Like Anne Marie and Constantine , Sofia and Juan Carlos , Elizabeth II and prince Phillip .

Let's see... The first king of Belgium was prince Albert's brother, so Elizabeth is distantly related to that family. And she was related to the last tsar of Russia through Christian IX and to the last tsarina through Queen Victoria. I don't know about the royal families of Liechtenstein, Monaco and Luxembourg though.

And yes, she's related to Anne Marie through Queen Victoria and to Constantine and Sophia through Christian IX.

Marc23 03-23-2011 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Furienna (Post 1219686)
Let's see... The first king of Belgium was prince Albert's brother, so Elizabeth is distantly related to that family. And she was related to the last tsar of Russia through Christian IX and to the last tsarina through Queen Victoria. I don't know about the royal families of Liechtenstein, Monaco and Luxembourg though.

And yes, she's related to Anne Marie through Queen Victoria and to Constantine and Sophia through Christian IX.

They are all related,it just depends to what degree...

Monaco:

Prince Albert II of Monaco has descended from Princess Marie von Baden(Duchess of Hamilton) and through her is related to Queen Elizabeth II...in fact Prince Rainer(father of Albert II) and Queen Elizabeth are 7th cousins due to their common ancestry from Prince Johann Willelm Friso von Nassau-Dietz,Stadholder of the Netherlands...

Luxembourg:

Grand Duke Henri of Luxembourg is 3rd cousin once removed with Queen Elizabeth II as they are both descendants of King Christian IX of Denmark...
Queen Elizabeth II has also descended from Nassau-Weilburg dynasty(who in turn has descended from Kings of Britain) which later ruled in Luxembourg...


Liechtenstein:

Prince Hans Adam II von und zu Liechtenstein is also 7th cousin to Queen Elizabeth II as they are both descendants of Johann Willem Friso,Prince von Nassau-Dietz and Stadholder of the Netherlands...

Furienna 03-26-2011 05:40 AM

Ah, thank you! :flowers:

Warren 03-26-2011 10:18 AM

From Johan Georg II, Prince of Anhalt-Dessau (d1693)

The current reigning or de juré monarchs of:

Albania
Austria
Bavaria
Belgium
Denmark
Great Britain
Greece
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Monaco
Netherlands
Norway
Spain
Sweden


From James I, King of England (d1625)
through his daughter Elizabeth, wife of Friedrich V, Elector Palatine, King of Bohemia


The current reigning or de juré monarchs of:

Austria
Bavaria
Bulgaria
Denmark
France (Bonaparte)
France (Orléans)
Great Britain
Greece
Hanover
Italy
Liechtenstein
Norway
Prussia
Romania
Russia
Spain
Sweden
Yugoslavia [Serbia]

source: Burke's Royal Families of the World, Vol 1

Marc23 03-26-2011 08:33 PM

After all they are all somehow connected!

Marc23 03-26-2011 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Furienna (Post 1219686)
Let's see... The first king of Belgium was prince Albert's brother, so Elizabeth is distantly related to that family. And she was related to the last tsar of Russia through Christian IX

It would be also interesting to say that Elizabeth II and current King Albert II of the Belgians are more closely related as they are both descendants of King Christian IX of Denmark which makes them 3rd cousins...


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