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ldt20 05-15-2006 05:46 PM

When royal families get together
 
Are there any rules that royal families follow when they all get together for special ocassions such as weddings and they have to take pictures?

I've noticed that in the front is always the royal family hosting the event and also other royals? Are there rules or etiquette that dictates who must sit in front, back an so on? Do any Royal Families take preference, etc?

Alexandria 05-15-2006 07:46 PM

One protocol is that when royals are "lined up" they are ordered by who has been reigning the longest would enter first.

For example, at a funeral the longest reigning monarch would "head" the procession of royal guests. In most cases it would be QEII if she attended an event. I am not sure what the protocol was exactly when heirs attend in place of their parents -- for example Albert for Prince Ranier and Prince Charles or Prince Phillip for Queen Elizabeth II.

Sometimes the protocol is broken for personal reasons. One recent example I can come up with was that at Prince Claus of the Netherlands' funeral, King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia were placed before longer reigning monarchs because of their friendship with Queen Beatrix.

I suppose that when there are occasions with royal courts with family members from other royal houses such protocol might also be broken for family ties, such as the Danish or Belgian courts.

I was a bit confused at the Swedish King's 60th birthday when the escorting seemed a bit random: The second gala night there were pictures of Mary on the arms of Willem (with Maxima) and then with Harald (with Sonja) and then her cousin-in-law Nikolaos, and likewise of Victoria being escorted by Phillippe (with Mathilde) and then with her brother and her sister.

srivishnu 04-08-2008 11:19 PM

Golden Jubilee Banquet for European Heads of State.
 
Here is the picture > Banquet for European crowned heads

morhange 04-09-2008 01:30 AM

All of the ladies look lovely in that photo! The four queens regnant all look simply amazing (of course, Sonja does as well!)

Lakshmi 04-09-2008 03:08 AM

Banquet for European royals, what a great idea. They could organize it more often. I wonder if there are some events of special gatherings for royals besids customary ones like funerals or weddings.

candygirl_68 04-09-2008 10:28 AM

well, i guess for holidays...

Rascal 05-19-2010 10:02 PM

Precedence/order amongst reigning monarchs HHEEEELLLLPP!!
 
I have looked on every site I know and been through EVERY PAGE :eek: of threads listed in the general discussion area of this forum (as well as many pages on others) and this is the closest I have come to anything even remotely addressing my question....a discussion on the Royal Weddings Message Boards or Glittering Royal Events Message Board focused on QEII not attending the upcoming Swedish crown princess' wedding. Lots of opinions thrown about but I recall reading two explanations YEARS ago:
1. Being the most prominent royal figure in the world it would be a logistical and security nightmare for both the British as well as the hosting nation's royal security force. (I can kind of understand this)
2. Adherence to protocol would have the highest ranking royal arriving and being seated last, which would have HM QEII entering after the bride, the mother of the bride, and every other guest. (maybe...if you adhere to STRICT protocol, but that's a stretch. I actually think Lillibet just doesn't want to go and this is her excuse.)

Anyway...it got me thinking about either a photo or video footage of Charles and Diana's wedding when they had lined up the reigning monarchs from other countries to enter last before the wedding procession. Someone (a court person/wedding planner) was arranging them so they could walk from the entrance to the preferred seating in the church in the order of reign from newest to most senior in terms of service.

So I started researching and found this:

[QUOTE=Alexandria;437237]One protocol is that when royals are "lined up" they are ordered by who has been reigning the longest would enter first.

For example, at a funeral the longest reigning monarch would "head" the procession of royal guests. In most cases it would be QEII if she attended an event. I am not sure what the protocol was exactly when heirs attend in place of their parents -- for example Albert for Prince Ranier and Prince Charles or Prince Phillip for Queen Elizabeth II.

Sometimes the protocol is broken for personal reasons. One recent example I can come up with was that at Prince Claus of the Netherlands' funeral, King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia were placed before longer reigning monarchs because of their friendship with Queen Beatrix.

I suppose that when there are occasions with royal courts with family members from other royal houses such protocol might also be broken for family ties, such as the Danish or Belgian courts.QUOTE]

That comment, along with pics from other royal weddings showing Albert seated next to the POW made me consider seating arrangements/marching order for the wedding in Sweden next month.

Indulge my fantasy for this question: Assuming all reigning royal heads of state as well as theirs heirs were invited and attended.......

1. Would the "family" relations (Denmark, Belgium, Norway) be seated in higher precedence than other royals who have been reigning longer?
2. Among the "family" relations would the fact that the Danes are 1st cousins to the Swedes matter at all considering the Belgians and Norwegians are from a colatteral line of Swedish cousins?
3. If King Bhumibol of Thailand chose to attend (which is HIGHLY unlikely given the political situation and escalating violence this past week), would he sit in a more prominent spot than QEII even though he is not a European monarch?
4. Now that Prince Albert II of Monaco is a reigning sovereign prince, is he treated the same as any other head of state or royal head of state even though he is a "serene highness" and head of a "principality" instead of a kingdom? For example, if they all reigned an equal amount of time, would he have to walk in/sit behind all the kings and queens?
5. What about the Grand Dukes of Luxembourg? Are they considered the same as a king and queen?....are they considered the same as Albert II of Monaco or the Princes of Liechtenstein?....or are they considered something in between? (They are "royal highnesses" after all)
6. Some of the Arabic/Muslim/Eastern monarchies go by different names - Kings, Sultans, Sheikhs - are they considered equal to the European monarchies in terms of precedence (some of them use a different style as well...for example HM the Sultan of Oman and HH the Emir of Qatar)?
7. What about the King of Malaysia. Being a hereditary ruler of his separate state in the Malaysian confederation and elected by the group of rulers for a five-year term means he is sometimes a King and sometimes not a king. When he is serving as King, is considered on equal status with someone like QEII?
8. 2ND TO LAST QUESTION :rofl: What about formerly reigning monarchs - Constantine II of the Hellenes, Simeon of Bulgaria, Michael of Romania, et.al.? Because most of the royal community still calls them "Kings" and not ex-kings and because they are invited to many of these events, are they marched in and seated among the reigning monarchs or are they relegated to a lower status (seated behind other monarchs, or behind reigning monarchs' heirs, or behind all currently serving heads of state-including republics)?
9. LAST QUESTION :dizzy: - Among the heirs of the reigning monarchies - are they seated according to any timeframe...oldest monarchy, same order as the monarchs, etc.?
10. BONUS QUESTION :bang: - So the last question made me think of another...aAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! Heirs of former monarchies that were deposed (Alexander of Yugoslavia, Victor Emmanuel of Italy, Reza Pahlavi of Iran, et.al.) - where are they classified among royal foreign guests - among the heirs? in the general population?

Anyone...please...HHHEEELLLLLPP!!!!!

Rascal

Rascal 05-28-2010 08:06 AM

[QUOTE=Rascal;1082636]I have looked on every site I know and been through EVERY PAGE :eek: of threads listed in the general discussion area of this forum (as well as many pages on others) and this is the closest I have come to anything even remotely addressing my question....a discussion on the Royal Weddings Message Boards or Glittering Royal Events Message Board focused on QEII not attending the upcoming Swedish crown princess' wedding. Lots of opinions thrown about but I recall reading two explanations YEARS ago:
1. Being the most prominent royal figure in the world it would be a logistical and security nightmare for both the British as well as the hosting nation's royal security force. (I can kind of understand this)
2. Adherence to protocol would have the highest ranking royal arriving and being seated last, which would have HM QEII entering after the bride, the mother of the bride, and every other guest. (maybe...if you adhere to STRICT protocol, but that's a stretch. I actually think Lillibet just doesn't want to go and this is her excuse.)

Anyway...it got me thinking about either a photo or video footage of Charles and Diana's wedding when they had lined up the reigning monarchs from other countries to enter last before the wedding procession. Someone (a court person/wedding planner) was arranging them so they could walk from the entrance to the preferred seating in the church in the order of reign from newest to most senior in terms of service.

So I started researching and found this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexandria (Post 437237)
One protocol is that when royals are "lined up" they are ordered by who has been reigning the longest would enter first.

For example, at a funeral the longest reigning monarch would "head" the procession of royal guests. In most cases it would be QEII if she attended an event. I am not sure what the protocol was exactly when heirs attend in place of their parents -- for example Albert for Prince Ranier and Prince Charles or Prince Phillip for Queen Elizabeth II.

Sometimes the protocol is broken for personal reasons. One recent example I can come up with was that at Prince Claus of the Netherlands' funeral, King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia were placed before longer reigning monarchs because of their friendship with Queen Beatrix.

I suppose that when there are occasions with royal courts with family members from other royal houses such protocol might also be broken for family ties, such as the Danish or Belgian courts.QUOTE]

That comment, along with pics from other royal weddings showing Albert seated next to the POW made me consider seating arrangements/marching order for the wedding in Sweden next month.

Indulge my fantasy for this question: Assuming all reigning royal heads of state as well as theirs heirs were invited and attended.......

1. Would the "family" relations (Denmark, Belgium, Norway) be seated in higher precedence than other royals who have been reigning longer?
2. Among the "family" relations would the fact that the Danes are 1st cousins to the Swedes matter at all considering the Belgians and Norwegians are from a colatteral line of Swedish cousins?
3. If King Bhumibol of Thailand chose to attend (which is HIGHLY unlikely given the political situation and escalating violence this past week), would he sit in a more prominent spot than QEII even though he is not a European monarch?
4. Now that Prince Albert II of Monaco is a reigning sovereign prince, is he treated the same as any other head of state or royal head of state even though he is a "serene highness" and head of a "principality" instead of a kingdom? For example, if they all reigned an equal amount of time, would he have to walk in/sit behind all the kings and queens?
5. What about the Grand Dukes of Luxembourg? Are they considered the same as a king and queen?....are they considered the same as Albert II of Monaco or the Princes of Liechtenstein?....or are they considered something in between? (They are "royal highnesses" after all)
6. Some of the Arabic/Muslim/Eastern monarchies go by different names - Kings, Sultans, Sheikhs - are they considered equal to the European monarchies in terms of precedence (some of them use a different style as well...for example HM the Sultan of Oman and HH the Emir of Qatar)?
7. What about the King of Malaysia. Being a hereditary ruler of his separate state in the Malaysian confederation and elected by the group of rulers for a five-year term means he is sometimes a King and sometimes not a king. When he is serving as King, is considered on equal status with someone like QEII?
8. 2ND TO LAST QUESTION :rofl: What about formerly reigning monarchs - Constantine II of the Hellenes, Simeon of Bulgaria, Michael of Romania, et.al.? Because most of the royal community still calls them "Kings" and not ex-kings and because they are invited to many of these events, are they marched in and seated among the reigning monarchs or are they relegated to a lower status (seated behind other monarchs, or behind reigning monarchs' heirs, or behind all currently serving heads of state-including republics)?
9. LAST QUESTION :dizzy: - Among the heirs of the reigning monarchies - are they seated according to any timeframe...oldest monarchy, same order as the monarchs, etc.?
10. BONUS QUESTION :bang: - So the last question made me think of another...aAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! Heirs of former monarchies that were deposed (Alexander of Yugoslavia, Victor Emmanuel of Italy, Reza Pahlavi of Iran, et.al.) - where are they classified among royal foreign guests - among the heirs? in the general population?

Anyone...please...HHHEEELLLLLPP!!!!!

Rascal


Several possibilities why no one has responded:
1. They are still reading my post because it is SO LOOOOOONNNNGGG..LOL.

2. No one has answers to any of my questions..which I doubt - there is a wealth of information and experience in the Forums.

3. It doesn't really matter to anyone but me, which is probably the case.

On the outside chance that someone else is interested I am bumping this thread again. If anyone has information or opinions regarding anything I posted, please feel free to respond. If not, I get it.

And if you are still reading the original post, thanks for your dedication but there is probably more effective use of your time :lol:.

Rascal

Stefan 05-28-2010 08:43 AM

At the Wedding of Haakon and Mette-Marit it was so: first arrived the junior Princes and Heirs sorted after the reign of their parents (first the ones who renged short for example Luxemburg and last the one who regned long), then the former reigning monarchs (only Greece was present) and then the reigning monarchs and last the paretns of Mette-Marit and the norwegian Royal Family. But then they arrived all in Cars. At the danish Wedding the arrived all together in a big Bus and as far as i remember they walked in church not sorted but how they came out of the B Bus.


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