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florawindsor 05-30-2005 11:48 AM

Diana's Styles and Titles
 
when Wills become the king, how should ppl call Diana, the King Mother? Princess Diana? Queen Diana? :confused:

cute_girl 05-30-2005 12:05 PM

I think she's still and will be called Princess Diana,in their official site you can see this "The Princess of Wales was killed in a car crash on 31 August 1997 in Paris."so she was still a princess at the time of her death though she was divorced.

norwegianne 05-30-2005 12:09 PM

After their death royals, and most other people, are referred to by the title they had when they died.

sara1981 05-30-2005 12:12 PM

when Diana got divorces from Prince Charles HM Queen gives Diana known as Diana,Princess of Wales or Princess Diana many people still known her as Princess Diana if she in public she would known as Diana,Princess of Wales.

Sara Boyce

Idriel 05-30-2005 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by florawindsor
when Wills become the king, how should ppl call Diana, the King Mother? Princess Diana? Queen Diana? :confused:

Diana will be the King's (late) mother but that's hardly a title. She'll never be Queen. So I say she'll just stay Diana, Princess of Wales.
There is a rumor that William once said the first thing he'll do when he become King will be to give her mother her Royal Highness style back. We will see if that ever happens...

sara1981 05-30-2005 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Idriel
Diana will be the King's (late) mother but that's hardly a title. She'll never be Queen. So I say she'll just stay Diana, Princess of Wales.
There is a rumor that William once said the first thing he'll do when he become King will be to give her mother her Royal Highness style back. We will see if that ever happens...

i agree it!

Sara Boyce

lashinka2002 05-30-2005 12:29 PM

Yes,
You can't aquire a new title once your dead so it most surely would be Diana, Princess of Wales.

florawindsor 05-31-2005 12:26 AM

thank you. i've also heard what Idriel said. very touching:(
is there a difference between "Princess Diana" and "Diana, Princess of Wales"? i think they are the same...

Elspeth 05-31-2005 12:34 AM

"Princess Diana" is an incorrect title since she was never a princess in her own right. She was Her Royal Highness the Princess of Wales while she was married and Diana, Princess of Wales, after her divorce. She'd only have been "Princess Diana" if the Queen had created the title like she did for the widow of the old Duke of Gloucester, who became Princess Alice after her husband died.

florawindsor 05-31-2005 12:49 AM

so only princess by blood can use 'princess' before their name...?

according to wiki,
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Wife of a son of the Sovereign or male line grandson of the Sovereign- "HRH Princess Husband's Christian Name or "HRH The Duchess/Countess of X."
so Sarah&Sophie can be called Princess Andrew of York? Princess Edward of Wessex? (though they are normally called duchess of york/countess of wessex)

Elspeth 05-31-2005 01:20 AM

Only princesses by blood can use "Princess" before their own name. The Princess of Wales would have been correctly called Princess Charles, except that with his other titles it wasn't necessary to call her that. She would not have been correctly called Princess Diana. It was just a convenient label that the press tended to stick on her.

florawindsor 05-31-2005 07:58 AM

thank you Elspeth, you are such an expert on titles:):)
gosh i made a lot of mistakes by calling Diana 'Princess Diana' in the past:eek:

branchg 06-24-2005 06:33 PM

The Queen never actually issued letters patent or a royal warrant allowing HRH Alice, Dowager Duchess of Gloucester, to assume the style "Princess Alice" after the marriage of her son, Prince Richard. It was simply confirmed by the Palace that the Queen had allowed the Dowager Duchess to be known as Princess Alice in honour of her long public service to the nation and to differentiate her from the new Duchess.

Also, "Princess Charles" is not a correct style for the wife of the current Prince of Wales. The wife of the Prince of Wales is always HRH the Princess of Wales and no other style applies. The same applies to any wife of a prince who holds a peerage. They are always HRH "Christian Name", Duchess of Whatever or HRH the Duchess of Whatever. Princess Husband's Name is the correct style for the wife of a British prince who holds no other peerage.

Diana's situation was unique after the divorce despite the relinquishment of her style and title HRH the Princess of Wales (correctly so) as these are only held through marriage to Prince Charles. However, as the mother of a future king, Diana's precedence and status in the royal family remained the same as before the divorce, a point made very clear by the Palace at the time.

As a result, similar to Princess Alice, the Queen and the Palace continued to refer to Diana as "the Princess" and agreed she remained a princess of the UK, although downgraded by the loss of HRH.

Elspeth 06-24-2005 08:48 PM

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It was simply confirmed by the Palace that the Queen had allowed the Dowager Duchess to be known as Princess Alice in honour of her long public service to the nation and to differentiate her from the new Duchess.
Interesting that she'd let her be known as Princess Alice when she wasn't actually Princess Alice, but I suppose it achieves the same end without having to set legal precedents. It's a shame they can't come up with something a bit less dire than "Dowager Duchess of..." for the widowed mother of a new duke.

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Also, "Princess Charles" is not a correct style for the wife of the current Prince of Wales. The wife of the Prince of Wales is always HRH the Princess of Wales and no other style applies.
I understand that. The point I was making was that in the absence of other titles, in other words if Prince Charles had just been Prince Charles, Diana would have been correctly known as Princess Charles, not Princess Diana. If she'd married the heir to some of the European thrones, such as the Danish or Norwegian one, or even the younger son of some of the European monarchs, she'd have been created Princess Diana. It doesn't happen when a commoner marries a British prince.

I realise that he never actually was just Prince Charles - even if George VI had lived to a ripe old age and Prince Charles had married during his grandfather's reign I assume he'd have carried the title Earl of Merioneth from his father - what I was saying is that if he hadn't had any other title, so that his wife hadn't become Princess of this or Duchess of that or Countess of the other, she still wouldn't have been Princess Diana.

branchg 06-24-2005 10:08 PM

No she would not. However, anyone who marries a prince of the blood royal automatically becomes a princess of the UK. The Queen DID issue letters patent shortly before the decree nisi was issued stating that any former wife of a prince of the UK would not be entitled to hold the style of HRH after a divorce. This was to clarify that the real issue was the prefix "Royal Highness", as it was when the Duke of Windsor married Wallis Simpson, and who is entitled to the rank.

In the case of the Duke, King George VI issued letters patent providing that his wife and descendants, if any, would not hold the style of HRH, effectively announcing the marriage was morganatic. Instead, Wallis held the rank of a duchess as "Her Grace the Duchess of Windsor", rather than a princess of the UK as would normally be the case upon marriage to a prince of the blood royal. However, the Sovereign remains the fount of honour and all titles and styles are held as recognized under the royal perogative.

EmpressRouge 06-24-2005 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Idriel
Diana will be the King's (late) mother but that's hardly a title. She'll never be Queen. So I say she'll just stay Diana, Princess of Wales.
There is a rumor that William once said the first thing he'll do when he become King will be to give her mother her Royal Highness style back. We will see if that ever happens...

I forget where I heard this (maybe it was in another thread in this forum), but people have said that the Queen offered to posthumously restore Diana's HRH after her death, but the Spencer family declined to accept it.

Elspeth 06-24-2005 10:48 PM

I don't know if that was ever verified.

Kathryn Mayer 06-24-2005 10:52 PM

If this is true, I side with the Spencer family we need to preserve the memory of every charitable act she did while known as Diana, Princess of Wales.....correct???

Reina 06-24-2005 10:55 PM

I do hope William restores HRH status to Diana. it would be more touching coming from him.

Elspeth 06-24-2005 10:56 PM

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In the case of the Duke, King George VI issued letters patent providing that his wife and descendants, if any, would not hold the style of HRH, effectively announcing the marriage was morganatic.
Given that morganatic marriage doesn't exist in British law, I'm surprised that was legal. It also seems curious that the King would confer an HRH on his brother, who hadn't renounced his HRH in the first place.


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