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purple_platinum 03-09-2006 10:50 AM

Princess Alexandra (1968-), dau of Prince Michael
 
i found this on Getty :

NEW YORK - MARCH 7: Princess Alexandra of Greece and her husband Nicolas Mirzayantz attend the New York City opera spring gala at the New York State Theater at Lincoln Center on March 7, 2006 in New York City.
(Photo by Brad Barket/Getty Images)

http://s2.supload.com/thumbs/default/57023622.jpg http://s2.supload.com/thumbs/default/57023623.jpg


Who is she? What's her background and how is she related to GRF?

Warren 03-09-2006 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by purple_platinum
Princess Alexandra of Greece and her husband Nicolas Mirzayantz attend the New York City opera spring gala... March 7, 2006
Who is she? What's her background and how is she related to GRF?

Bio
HRH Princess Alexandra of Greece (1968- ), married 1998 Nicolas Mirzayantz
father:
HRH Prince Michael of Greece (1939-), son of Prince Christopher of Greece and Princess Françoise of France; grandson of George I, King of the Hellenes
mother:
married 1965 Marina Karella (1940- ), artist
sister:
HRH Princess Olga of Greece (1971- ), engaged 2005 to HRH Prince Aimone of Savoy-Aosta.

purple_platinum 03-09-2006 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Warren
Bio
HRH Princess Alexandra of Greece (1968- ), married 1998 Nicolas Mirzayantz
father:
HRH Prince Michael of Greece (1939-), son of Prince Christopher of Greece and Princess Françoise of France; grandson of George I, King of the Hellenes
mother:
married 1965 Marina Karella (1940- ), artist
sister:
HRH Princess Olga of Greece (1971- ), engaged 2005 to HRH Prince Aimone of Savoy-Aosta.

thanks, warren.
it's funny we often see her sister, Princess Olga. she's more in the news. and it's the 1st time i've heard she has a sister..

ravergirl 03-09-2006 12:47 PM

she was in the vanity fair issue on young royals a few years back. I think her picture was of her in her NY apartment.

Warren 03-09-2006 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ravergirl
she was in the vanity fair issue on young royals a few years back. I think her picture was of her in her NY apartment.

Here's the link to the Vanity Fair page on Princess Alexandra.

Katie 04-05-2006 06:06 AM

She is wearing that little fur coat again:
At the Fragrance Foundation´s 34 Annual Fifi Award in New York, April 3.
http://s2.supload.com/thumbs/default/Alexandra%201.jpg http://s2.supload.com/thumbs/default/Alexandra%202.jpg

Source: Gettyimages, www.gettyimages.com

ChevalieurduCiel 04-06-2006 02:21 PM

What is FiFi???:rolleyes::D

purple_platinum 04-14-2006 11:47 AM

2 more from cover :

http://s2.supload.com/thumbs/default/CALW3QJR.jpg http://s2.supload.com/thumbs/default/CAOR29Y5.jpg

christinacg 09-23-2007 08:22 PM

Found this picture of Princess Alexandra with her two sons Tigran and Darius, taken a few weeks ago in New York:
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2...dariiusbf6.jpg
NY social diary

Philippe Egalite' 09-24-2007 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren (Post 396726)
Bio
HRH Princess Alexandra of Greece (1968- ), married 1998 Nicolas Mirzayantz
father:
HRH Prince Michael of Greece (1939-), son of Prince Christopher of Greece and Princess Françoise of France; grandson of George I, King of the Hellenes
mother:
married 1965 Marina Karella (1940- ), artist
sister:
HRH Princess Olga of Greece (1971- ), engaged 2005 to HRH Prince Aimone of Savoy-Aosta.

The daughters of Michel de Grece, Olga and Alexandra, are exquisite specimens of style and sophistication, and are well educated in result of having been reared by two people of Letters and the Arts. Having said that, these remarkable ladies are neither royal nor princesses.
The reasons are countless and I shall quote a few:
1. Even in Great Britain, the most royal among countries with royal tradition, grand children of a monarch in the male line are the last generation to be princes, and great-grand children become peers/commoners. In another age-old kingdom, Denmark, the sons of prince Joachim, the monarch's junior-line grand children are referred to as HH not HRH.
2. The Greek Constitution, in the monarchy years, made provisions only for the children of a King [Vassilo'paes, Βασιλόπαις (singular), Vassilo'paedaes, Βασιλόπαιδες (plural)] in a manner similar to that of the Spanish tradition (infantes/infantas), and made no mention whatsoever for a king's grand children.
3. Thus, if the title prince instead of vassilo'paes was/is incorrect for a Greek king's child, it would be presumptuous for a king's grand child and, imaginary for a king's great-grand child.
4. All the above notwithstanding, the two ladies' grand father, vassilo'paes Christopher of Greece, resigned his rights to the Throne when he married American heiress Nancy Leeds, cutting himself off of the line of succession. Further, there is no documentation (it didn't matter anyway) that Christopher's rights were reinstated (and how) upon his first wife's death and prior to his marriage to Francoise de Guise.
5. Assuming that Christopher's rights were legally reinstated, Michel de Grece resigned his rights (if any), as declared in the Greek Press, upon his marriage (1965) to Marina Karella, a private man's daughter who remains so.

Both in Europe and in New York's social circles, there are many personages, who are referred to as princes/ses by courtesy (like the daughters of Michel de Roumanie who were all born after their father abdicated), others presumptuously (like Mrs Miller*, wife of prince Paul, former Diadoch of Greece), and last, some who are imaginary princes/princesses.
It is very unfortunate that, despite their superior pedigree through their father, Alexandra and Olga would only be imaginary princesses, even if the monarchy was still in effect in Greece.

*In the Greek royal tradition, the only marriage of a close-to-the-Throne dynast to a commoner, that of king Alexander to Aspasia Manos, was recognized only posthumously by Royal Decree gazetted on September 10, 1922. It was only then that the king's widow, Madame Aspasia Manos, was elevated to, and became, HRH Princess Aspasia of Greece and Denmark and their issue, Alexandra, HRH Princess Alexandra of Greece and Denmark (later queen of Yugoslavia) but even this approval took place only on a non-dynastic basis!

Warren 09-25-2007 04:55 AM

From a strictly constitutional viewpoint the lack of "Prince"/"Princess" titles for grandchildren of a Greek Sovereign may well be correct, but common and 'Royal' usage is quite different.

For example, Princess Marina, who became the Duchess of Kent, and her sisters Olga and Elisabeth, were granddaughters of George I yet were recognised as Princesses of Greece and Denmark with the style of Royal Highness, as were the daughters of Prince Andrew. Andrew's only son of course later became the Duke of Edinburgh. Prince Michael himself is a grandson of George I and I assume was recognised in the former Kingdom of Greece as a Prince. It should also be noted that there are many examples across European dynasties where the renunciation of succession rights did not (and does not) necessarily lead to an automatic loss of style and title (although I am unsure if the Greek constitution at the time had anything to say about Prince Michael's situation).

It's the same story as the political versus 'royal' recognition we have discussed elsewhere; the Almanach de Gotha lists both of Prince Michael's daughters as Princesses [of Greece and Denmark]; whether one chooses to accept that title as legitimate and valid (or not) is up to the individual.

It really gets down to distinguishing between two same but separate entities: the Royal House of the former Kingdom as defined by past and present Greek constitutional law, and the Royal House which exists separate to and independent of the Greek State.

Philippe Egalite' 09-25-2007 07:00 AM

Most of King George I's grand children were raised outside Greece, during interregnums, the Ethniki Catastrophe etc. The prince Nicholas's daughters were early teenagers when they left the country and never returned and so was the case with prince Andrew's children. Prince Michael was born abroad but was sent to Greece to live with King Paul and Queen Frederika, as an orphan. He was little known to the Greek people.
In any case, these individuals were styled as princes/ses even though they had no statutory rank or title.
You are correct. The Greek Constitution at the time did not mention anything but as I indicated above, it was royal tradition and government demand to disallow members of the royal family to marry non-royals. And despite absence of restriction by the Constitution, prime minister Eleftherios Venizelos refused to acknowledge the secret wedding of King Alexander and Aspasia Manos which was deemed morganatic. And even after the Royal Decree retroactively approving of the marriage, the issue, princess Alexandra became a HRH but without dynastic rights.
Michel de Grece, although not statutorily a prince, did have rights to the throne and, as such, he was asked to resign his rights in the line of Succession when he married commoner Marina Karella. And I cannot see how one cut off of the line of Succession twice, once through an action of his father and then of his own volition, and who married morganatically could issue princes/ses of the blood.
But you are right in saying that the Greek Royal House exists (in fact, has always existed) separate to and independent of the Greek State and has observed its own rules, which it has paid dearly for, and in kind. What a waste for no reason. They were such a handsome and elegant crowd.

Warren 09-25-2007 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Philippe Egalite' (Post 671668)
They were such a handsome and elegant crowd.

Getting off topic, but we would probably both agree that it's a pity such appealing assets didn't go hand in hand with a greater degree of political acumen.

Philippe Egalite' 09-25-2007 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Warren (Post 671673)
Getting off topic, but we would probably both agree that it's a pity such appealing assets didn't go hand in hand with a greater degree of political acumen.

Right on!!
I mean, think about this example: The Queen, up until 1957, and in her addresses to the people of Britain and the Realms, and in the Opening of Parliament, would always say "The Duke of Edinburgh and I", because prince Philip was not a prince at that time and it was not until the government came up with the appropriate wording (even though still semasiologically wrong*) and she agreed, and after it was gazetted and he was statutorily elevated to a prince, that she started saying, "Prince Philip and I". How about that!
That's sensitivity and sensibility and compliance with the will of the People as represented by their Government as well as compliance with tradition - the key, which needs not necessarily be in the form of a constitution or statute!
And I remind myself of king Farouk's say, "the last kings to remain in the next century will be the sovereign of the United Kingdom and that of the playing cards".

I thoroughly enjoy interacting with you!

*What is semasiologically wrong with prince Philip's title (HRH The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh) is the usage of the capitalized definite article The, which is normally restricted to children of monarchs. So, from the historic perspective, it should be HRH Prince Philip, The Duke of Edinburgh.

Benjamin 10-07-2007 02:05 PM

Last week, Princess Alexandra of Greece and husband Nicolas Mirzayantz attended the Cinema Society screening of Elizabeth: The Golden Age: http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1719/21msz2.jpg

Source: The Cinema Society Screening of "Elizabeth: The Golden Age" Photos: Party Coverage on Style.com

iceflower 10-18-2007 03:58 PM

Princess Alexandra of Greece attends the Luca Luca Brunch and Viewing of the Spring and
Summer 2008 Collection which benefits The New York City Opera Family Benefit at the Luca
Luca Store on October 18, 2007 in New York. (Photo by Getty Images for Luca Luca)

** Pic 1 ** Pic 2 **

noldorlord 11-27-2007 04:47 AM

Dose Alexandra poses a tiara-is she entitled to wear one?.

Warren 11-27-2007 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by noldorlord (Post 698066)
Dose Alexandra poses a tiara-is she entitled to wear one?.

There is no "entitlement" to a tiara as it is merely a jewelled head ornament.

noldorlord 11-27-2007 05:41 AM

But dose the family have any jewels from the French or Greek side? any pictures.

Philippe Egalite' 03-30-2008 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by noldorlord (Post 698087)
But dose the family have any jewels from the French or Greek side? any pictures.

I am sure they do. Prince Michael is the son of the last child and fifth son of king George I of Greece, prince Christopher of Greece, technically a rather irrelevant royal personage, but son of an important French princess, Francoise de Guise, a grand daughter of a Comte de Paris (through her mother), a daughter of a Comte de Paris and a sister of a Comte de Paris. She was wealthy.


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