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Australian 12-18-2005 10:26 AM

European/Japan royal marriages
 
I was wondering, would it be allowed for a European prince or princess to marry into the Japanese Imperial family? I would love to see one day a marriage between a European royal and a Japanese royal :)

jacadenasso 12-21-2005 01:12 PM

Who knows? I guess it would, but it'd be the strangest marriage ever, not because of the races, but because both would be royals.

mandyy 12-22-2005 02:02 AM

There have been former Japanese Imperial ladies marrying into the Chinese and Korean Imperial Families.

A Japanese Imperial lady got married to the last Chinese Emperor's younger brother. They have 2 daughters in which the elder one committed suicide with only the younger daughter still alive today.
Another Japanese lady with aristocratic background (I think she was called Masako) married to the last crown prince of Korea and they had 2 sons. The elder son died during his childhood and the younger one die recently in Japan.

Australian 12-22-2005 02:08 AM

thanks for that information Mandyy :)

lady_windsor 12-22-2005 04:47 AM

it would be wierd to see an european royal marrying a japanese royal

purple_platinum 12-22-2005 05:29 AM

if a japanese princess marry an european prince, she would not be forced stripped out her "HRH Princess..." title, right?

hillary_nugent 12-22-2005 05:33 AM

Wow that's an interesting thought ^^ i would love too see this happen! =)

msfroyste 12-22-2005 07:12 AM

it almost did, 1 time, that i know of. there was a story at the early of the 20th century, when nicholas II of russia's 2 oldest daughters, olga and tatiana, had "reached marriagable" age, as to who they could/would marry. when the idea that a japanese prince came up, they both basically said that would be peachy keen, with the exception that they could never marry a pagen. later on, they added the excuse that they didn't want to leave russia, a fact of which could've saved their lives. just something i read, i believe, over at the alexander palace time machine/msg board, a while back.

Australian 12-22-2005 07:31 AM

thats interesting myfroste, i would have liked to see a Japanese/Russian royal marriage.

jacadenasso 12-22-2005 07:57 AM

The japanese lady who married the last Korean Crown Prince was an imperial princess and a cousin of emperor Akihito.

Poppy 12-22-2005 08:57 AM

Why did the eldest daughter of the brother of the last Emperor of China committed suicide???

The lady who married the brother of the last Emperor of China was a daughter of a Marquis.

The lady who married the last Crown Prince of Korea was a first cousin of the Late Dowager Empress Nagako on her father's side.

ladybelline 12-22-2005 11:00 AM

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The lady who married the brother of the last Emperor of China was a daughter of a Marquis.
Her name was Saga Hiro, she was the daughter of Marquis Saga, and married Pu Jie, brother of Emperor Pu Yi. (sorry if I mispelled the names...:o )

Mapple 12-24-2005 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by msfroyste
it almost did, 1 time, that i know of. there was a story at the early of the 20th century, when nicholas II of russia's 2 oldest daughters, olga and tatiana, had "reached marriagable" age, as to who they could/would marry. when the idea that a japanese prince came up, they both basically said that would be peachy keen, with the exception that they could never marry a pagen. later on, they added the excuse that they didn't want to leave russia, a fact of which could've saved their lives. just something i read, i believe, over at the alexander palace time machine/msg board, a while back.

I daresay this info is incorrect. This proposition was not entertained by Nicholas II and his daughters owing to the fact that there were no unmarried sons of marriageable age of either Meiji or Taisho Emperors then.

kei893265 12-25-2005 09:32 AM

Thank you for information, all.
yes, the Japanese lady's name is Masako (princess Masako Nashimoto, 1901-1989), who married the last Crown Prince of Korea. she was prince Nashimoto's eldest daughter, her younger son die recently in the hotel, it was his family's house before.
Lady Hiro Saga -spell is right:) (1914-1987) married the Chinese prince, I have read an autobiography of her. her elder daughter committed suicide (a double suicide?)with her classmate at the age of 20, this news was big scandal at that time...
though not the Royal family, there are (-were?) some couple of the European aristocracy and the Japanese. and I have heard a Japanese lady married Arabian prince in 1920or1930s, but this story is not famous..is very few information.
I heard the story about Japanese/Russian royal marriage, for the first time. there were about seven Japanese princes of princesses olga and tatiana's generation (-not an emperor's sons). but..., does the IHA grant that permit..:confused:

Warren 12-25-2005 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kei893265
I heard the story about Japanese/Russian royal marriage, for the first time. there were about seven Japanese princes of princesses olga and tatiana's generation (yes, not an emperor's sons). but..., does the IHA grant that permit..:confused:

I think it unlikely that an Orthodox Grand Duchess would marry a Shinto Prince, especially taking into account the Russo-Japanese War where the Russian Navy was humiliated.

merampo 12-25-2005 10:31 AM

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I have heard the plan of the marriage of Prince ?? Yamashina of Japan and Hawaiian princess.

1.The wedding picture of Princess Masako Nashimoto and Crown Prince of Korea.(4-28-1920)

kei893265 12-25-2005 11:29 AM

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It is the Prince Higashi-Fushimi (you can see his photos) that there was a plan of marriage with the Hawaiian princess (the Hawaiian king's niece). he was called prince Yamashina, temporary. Emperor and the IHA declined the offer politely, because thay said that there was no statute of marriage for Japanese/non-Japanese Royal family, at that time.

1. photo of lady hiro Saga (wife of Chinese emperor's brother)

ladybelline 12-25-2005 02:52 PM

Lady Hiro Saga looks lovely!! What a sad story about her children....:(

Thank you very much for the picture, kei893265! :)
I've read many times Emperor Pu Yi's autobiography, but there was no pictures with it! So with this one (and some more in the thread about the Chinese Imperial famil), I can see at least how they really were.

msfroyste 12-29-2005 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Warren
I think it unlikely that an Orthodox Grand Duchess would marry a Shinto Prince, especially taking into account the Russo-Japanese War where the Russian Navy was humiliated.

that was one reason. the main thing was that none of them wanted to leave russia, as i have stated, although, olga namely stated religious reasons as her reason for not marrying a japanese royal. and as someone else said, there were plenty of princes to go around, even the emperor's sons- they were allowed concubines in those days.

alterego 02-28-2006 05:15 PM

Heehee, it's impossible, at least for now. Since according to the Japanese Imperial Household Law, princes and princesses could only marry to Japanese. That's why Lady Hiro Saga was chosen to marry to the brother of Chinese Emperor. She's from the Kazoku(the hereditary peerage of Japan that existed between 1869 and 1947) instead of Royal Family, and has no title of Princess. Her paternal grandmother is the only daughter of Nakayama Tadamitsu, whose sister Nakayama Yoshiko is the natural mother of Emperor Meiji. As for Yi Bangja(born as Nashimotonomiya Masako of Japan), she was betrothed to Crown Prince Eun of Korea because Korea was under Japanese rule(with the 1910 Japan-Korea Annexation Treaty), and she was misdiagnosed as infertility.


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