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Will's princess 12-30-2005 11:24 AM

Did Charles give Camilla a bracelet inscribed with G and F? Was there any evidence that they called each other Gladys and Fred or was this 'fact' made up as well?

BeatrixFan 12-30-2005 11:47 AM

I believe Charles gave Camilla a bracelet and Camilla have him a pair of cufflinks both inscribed with F and G. I don't think was made up but alot of the programme was.

Will's princess 12-30-2005 02:09 PM

Thanks BeatrixFan. I read somewhere that G and F stood for something else but I can't remember what!!

Gladys 12-30-2005 03:14 PM

Several sources (including Jonathan Dimbleby) refer to the GF as standing for "Girl Friday", the Prince's nickname for Camilla.

In fact I read both versions of this story repeatedly and maybe there are two meanings into it.

cde 12-30-2005 06:12 PM

F + G meaning
 
F+G stand for Fred and Gladys. Charles and Camilla are fans of the "Goon show" and they turned it into nicknames for each other. During their affair when Charles sent things to Camilla he would sign it "Fred". That is documented.

Charles also did call Camilla "girl Friday".

Does anyone know what scenes weren't in the UK version? No one by chance has seen both versions? The American version which I saw was about 30 minutes longer. WE channel had additonal scenes added so it would be a standard 2 hr movie. And does anyone know how it did in the UK? Like how many people wathced it. i wonder when part 2 will filmed.

It was wierd watching it, it was watching something sort of true, but not. I didn't hate it but I think it could have been done a million times better. I didn't like that Camilla called herself a slut and that she basically said she was an idiot. But I like Camilla and I don't agree with those comments.

BeatrixFan 12-30-2005 06:16 PM

Ours may have been shorter because I don't think we get as many adverts as the Americans get. I agree cde, the way she spoke to Princess Anne etc was all a bit offish and I couldn't see it happening. Notice that hardly anyone upon first meeting bowed or curtseyed to either Charles or Anne.

Skydragon 12-30-2005 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cde
I didn't like that Camilla called herself a slut and that she basically said she was an idiot. But I like Camilla and I don't agree with those comments.

It seems to have been made as a headline grabber and I really don't think we can put any importance on what the writers would like us to believe was actually said, they were not there!

It is also worth remembering that in this programme the word slut was used to denote that Camilla was not fond of cleaning up or tidying things away.

Queen Mary I 12-30-2005 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Skydragon
It seems to have been made as a headline grabber and I really don't think we can put any importance on what the writers would like us to believe was actually said, they were not there!

It is also worth remembering that in this programme the word slut was used to denote that Camilla was not fond of cleaning up or tidying things away.

I've been a bit sick these past few days-as I was at home I managed to catch the C & C story-twice! I have to admit I liked it. It's cheesy and full of unlikely scenarios (Please someone tell me Charles and Camilla did not make out in front of her husband at some party-too gross), and the alleged conversations-some of it perhaps I could believe. Alot of it-not. Diana was made out to be a dimwit-that I do NOT believe. She called Charles "Sir" ALOT-to an annoying degree. C & C come off almost as schemers towards the end imo. There is a scene with Charles and his unloved Betrothed during a dinner at Camilla's home. Her husband Andrew in the scene-I read his uncomfortable expression as one who was very much aware of what C & C were cooking up for Diana-and he was finding it a bit unsavory-he seemed not cool for the unsuspecting Diana to be so deceived. The scenes with Princess Anne were surreal. I've read books about her at the time of her wedding to Capt. Mark Phillips-"The Princess Royal" I think was one. They seemed to at least LIKE each other a whole lot none of which is seen in this film.

I saw the movie twice and for a fantasy/entertainment I quite enjoyed it.

BeatrixFan 12-30-2005 09:41 PM

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Diana was made out to be a dimwit-that I do NOT believe.
But you can't deny it's a possibility....

The scene where Charles and Camilla were dancing very intimately in front of a hall full of people was totally unrealistic.
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the unsuspecting Diana
But that drama showed that Diana new exactly what was going on from day one.

Queen Mary I 12-30-2005 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BeatrixFan
But you can't deny it's a possibility....
The scene where Charles and Camilla were dancing very intimately in front of a hall full of people was totally unrealistic.
But that drama showed that Diana new exactly what was going on from day one.

Actually I do deny the 'possibility' that Diana was a dimwit. We must agree to disagree.

You may pick and choose to believe what you like about this 'drama'. It seems anything anti-Diana is very true indeed-but not to me.

BeatrixFan 12-30-2005 10:07 PM

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Actually I do deny the 'possibility' that Diana was a dimwit. We must agree to disagree.
She seemed pretty dense to me. All bulging eyes and fluttering eyelashes with very little brains. We do know that she couldn't hold a conversation and was generally a bit daft - people who met her have said how dim she seemed at times.
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You may pick and choose to believe what you like about this 'drama'. It seems anything anti-Diana is very true indeed-but not to me
Well no dear. After all, Diana's infallibility was made law in 1997 and she was the saviour of the world as we know it. She couldn't possibly have done anything wrong.

Queen Mary I 12-30-2005 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BeatrixFan
She seemed pretty dense to me. All bulging eyes and fluttering eyelashes with very little brains. We do know that she couldn't hold a conversation and was generally a bit daft - people who met her have said how dim she seemed at times.

Lol! Please do not get me started on Camilla's 'looks' again.
Well no dear. After all, Diana's infallibility was made law in 1997 and she was the saviour of the world as we know it. She couldn't possibly have done anything wrong.

Did I ever in any thread say that Diana never did anything wrong 'dear'?

You know I think I am going to stop here. Happy New Year.

BeatrixFan 12-30-2005 10:14 PM

Happy New Year to you too - but not discussing the facts doesn't mean they aren't still there you know.

Queen Mary I 12-31-2005 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Oppie
Was that the one that Daniel Chatto was in ;)

According to imdb he was in "Charles And Diana: A Royal Love Story":

http://http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0154192/

Elspeth 12-31-2005 12:50 AM

Would you two please sheathe the claws?

Thank you, dears.

With love from Elspeth - a confirmed dog person who doesn't much care for cat fights.

Skydragon 12-31-2005 07:00 AM

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Please someone tell me Charles and Camilla did not make out in front of her husband at some party-too gross. There is a scene with Charles and his unloved Betrothed during a dinner at Camilla's home. Her husband Andrew in the scene-I read his uncomfortable expression as one who was very much aware of what C & C were cooking up for Diana-and he was finding it a bit unsavory-he seemed not cool for the unsuspecting Diana to be so deceived.

There is no documentation to show that Charles and Camilla 'made out' in front of Andrew. One of his girlfriends had a hissy fit when he didn't dote on her all evening, she didn't seem to understand that he had to circulate.
As for Andrews expression - It was just an actor, so you shouldn't read anything into his expression, although he was probably in pain at having to try to act in a fantasy programme.lol

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The scenes with Princess Anne were surreal. I've read books about her at the time of her wedding to Capt. Mark Phillips-"The Princess Royal" I think was one. They seemed to at least LIKE each other a whole lot none of which is seen in this film.
I saw the movie twice and for a fantasy/entertainment I quite enjoyed it
Princess Anne and Mark Philips seemed to be very much in love, after all, she married him and he was hardly a 'catch'. The programme only showed Anne as dour and cynical, whereas she was quite a party girl, with a very sharp wit and a wicked sense of humour!

cde 12-31-2005 02:43 PM

Skydragon- Andrew and the entire ball did see Charles and Camilla making out at a Cirencester polo ball in 1980. According to the story, the older people were pretty shocked. Andrew made a comment at the time about Charles liking his wife and his wife apparently liking Charles. I know "Camilla" by Rebecca Tyreel mentioned it and I think another book at least probably Penny Junor (I am not at home or I would mention better references)
But in 1980 they were carrying on their affair at that point pretty openly. Also Charles took Camilla to Africa- (I think Zimbabwe) for the handover in 1980. Andrew had been sent over there awhile ( i don't know how many months). And at the time no one knew if Camilla was going to see her husband or just going to be with Charles. The palace was not happy about it.
The reason I was annoyed about slut is that slut means slut in America. I think messy or untidy is a more British usage or definition. I totally agree with you about using it for ratings though. :)

Skydragon 12-31-2005 03:33 PM

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Skydragon- Andrew and the entire ball did see Charles and Camilla making out at a Cirencester polo ball in 1980. According to the story, the older people were pretty shocked.

Although not doubting that you have read this, I still maintain that unless we have the names of the people who 'saw' all this, it is probably, like a lot written about Camilla, fiction. As I said in another thread, dances can get very energetic at polo or hunt balls and sometimes you stay with a partner, for most of the dances, who can match your energy levels.

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But in 1980 they were carrying on their affair at that point pretty openly. Also Charles took Camilla to Africa- (I think Zimbabwe) for the handover in 1980. Andrew had been sent over there awhile ( i don't know how many months). And at the time no one knew if Camilla was going to see her husband or just going to be with Charles.
Again that could just be phrased to make it appear that Camilla was abusing her husband when, in fact she was probably just taking advantage of a chance to see him. Even officers wives are not always allowed on a posting.

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The reason I was annoyed about slut is that slut means slut in America. I think messy or untidy is a more British usage or definition. I totally agree with you about using it for ratings though. :)
It is very hard to look past what was written and actually realise the truth is a somewhat different story.
A young lad was telling us that his new girlfriend was a brilliant scrubber, we were shocked until we realised that we knew a different meaning after he went on to say, that his pots and pans had never been so clean!:D

dakodas 01-25-2006 03:22 PM

What was that movie called about Charles and Diana where the actress playing Diana kept saying "Oh, Chuuurles!" In the honeymoon scene she moaned "Oh, Chuuurles-Come to BED!" Hysterical!:rolleyes: :p

Gladys 05-19-2006 04:35 PM

To those of you who are interested: "Charles and Camilla: Whatever Love Means" is on the German TV (Bayrischer Rundfunk) on May 31st at 9.45 p.m.


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