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ropura 08-21-2005 02:42 PM

Queen Beatrix and Prince Claus's State Visit to Indonesia; August 1995
 
Queen Beatrix and Prince Claus with their son Prince Willem Alexander visited Sultanate of Yogyakarta, August 25,1995
It is the second time that the Queen from Netherland officiel states Visited to Indonesia.
In 1970 Queen Juliana and Prince Berhnard visited Indonesia,after Independent
August 17,1945


-ropura-

ropura 08-22-2005 01:22 AM

Royal Family of Sultanate of YogYakarta welcome the Dutchs Royal With flower
Javanese Culture and tradition.


Photo By Rosiati Ismangil

ropura 08-22-2005 01:27 AM

Royal Palace soldiers waiting for the Dutch Royals


Photo by Rosiati Ismangil

Marengo 08-22-2005 08:31 AM

thank you very much, I never saw these pictures before. I still remember the statevisit though, it was quite problematic before it started, but it went very well.
I remember the Queen wearing emeralds during the state banquet, very appropriate as we used to call Indonesia more poeticly, ´the girdle of emerald´.

ropura 08-22-2005 11:31 AM

Sri Sultan Hamengku Buwono X and Gusti Kanjeng Ratu Hemas welcome Queen Beatrix, Prince Claus and Prince Alexander at the Royal Palace Yogyakarta ("Kraton")
August 25,1995.

Queen Beatrix With Sultan H.B X and Prince Claus and Prince Willem Alexander with G.K.R.Hemas.


Photo by Rosiati Ismangil.

ropura 08-22-2005 11:47 AM

Prince Puger uncle of the Sultan H.B.X explain the H.M. Queen Beatrix about
tradition at Royal Palace Yogyakarta.

Photo by Rosiati Ismangil

ropura 08-22-2005 12:12 PM

Prince Claus with Gusti Kanjeng Ratu Hemas.


Photo by Rosiati Ismangil

Squidgy 08-22-2005 12:20 PM

Lovely pictures Ropura. Very colourful. Thanks:)

Looking at posts #5 & 6, the Queen & Prince Puger are so colour-coordinated, it's amazing!

ropura 08-22-2005 12:21 PM

H.M.Beatrix, Sultan H.B.X and Prince Puger walk at the Palace hall


Photo by Rosiati Ismangil.

Squidgy 08-22-2005 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marengo
thank you very much, I never saw these pictures before. I still remember the statevisit though, it was quite problematic before it started, but it went very well.

What were some of the problems that were going on prior to the visit?

ropura 08-22-2005 01:15 PM

Indonesia was more than 350 years colonized by the Dutch. After independence day many Dutch people lost their houses in Indonesia. Some people did not agree that the Queen Beatrix visited Indonesia.

ropura 08-22-2005 03:24 PM

Sultan Family and Dutch Royals pose for journalist and cameras


Photo by Rosiati Ismangil.

ropura 08-22-2005 03:28 PM

Informal ? and walk to main entrance of Royal Palace,and the Sultan H.B.X and G.K.R.Hemas says farewell to the Dutch Royal Family.


Photo by Rosiati ismangil.

Squidgy 08-22-2005 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ropura
Indonesia was more than 350 years colonized by the Dutch. After independence day many Dutch people lost their houses in Indonesia. Some people did not agree that the Queen Beatrix visited Indonesia.

I see. Thank you Ropura.

And thanks again for your pictures. They are stunning!

Gabriella 08-22-2005 05:41 PM

Thanks for sharing these photos with us, ropura! It's amazing to think how things have changed for the royal family in the past ten years.

sara1981 08-22-2005 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ropura
Indonesia was more than 350 years colonized by the Dutch. After independence day many Dutch people lost their houses in Indonesia. Some people did not agree that the Queen Beatrix visited Indonesia.

oh i see i didnt know that!

Sara Boyce

Marengo 08-23-2005 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ropura
Indonesia was more than 350 years colonized by the Dutch. After independence day many Dutch people lost their houses in Indonesia. Some people did not agree that the Queen Beatrix visited Indonesia.

Correct, and add to that the problem of the indonesian independance & the 'politionele acties´ (war) which followed, the indonesians and the dutch recognise different dates and should the queen apologize or not? How can she evade making the veterans and the people who fled from the Dutch East Indies (many Indonesians) angry, human right isues, the Molluken etc etc. It was a bit of a minefield but she managed to get through. I believe that either the queen or the former prime minister said that this was the most difficult statevisit that they could remember (meaning the preperations, the state visit itself went well).

Squidgy 08-23-2005 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marengo
Correct, and add to that the problem of the indonesian independance & the 'politionele acties´ (war) which followed, the indonesians and the dutch recognise different dates and should the queen apologize or not? How can she evade making the veterans and the people who fled from the Dutch East Indies (many Indonesians) angry, human right isues, the Molluken etc etc. It was a bit of a minefield but she managed to get through. I believe that either the queen or the former prime minister said that this was the most difficult statevisit that they could remember (meaning the preperations, the state visit itself went well).

Thank you once again for the information Marengo. Reading your post encouraged me to want to find out a little bit more about the situation. I had no idea that there was such a bitter war between Dutch & Indonesian forces right after WWII. (I guess it would be an understatement to say the 1940s was not a good decade for the Netherlands.)

What was the stated purpose of the Queen's visit? (I'm not naive, I realize that trade, commerce was probably high on the list). But was the visit also intended to sort of heal relations between the countries?

Marengo 08-23-2005 07:41 PM

The purpose of the state visit was indeed what you already suspected. Trade and reconsiliation. Queen Juliana already visited the country in the 70-ties (something her mother never allowed her to do when she was still crownprincess), there were again (still?) some problems.

The war came to the dutch as a total surprise and caused a major shock, just after we were ravashed by the germans (and japanese) & trying to build up the kingdom. A much used term was 'Indie verloren, rampspoed geboren', which means something like '(The Diutch) Indie(s) lost, disaster born'. This explains a bit the bitter fight which followed. 'We' only left because of US intervention, they threatened to stop the Marshall aid to The Netherlands if they continued the war & had already recognised the indonesian gouverment.

Squidgy 08-24-2005 05:20 PM

I think that was pretty courageous of Juliana to visit Indonesia in 1971. She must have been rather aprehensive about the type of reception she would receive. But I guess her visit went well?

And for the rest of it, well, I still find it hard to believe that the Dutch government (& people), after enduring years of occupation, starvation, etc. during WWII, would have any appetite or resources ($) to engage themselves in another war ... Oh, the things our governments get us involved in!

Thanks Marengo (again) for the info.:)


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