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pepperann 07-20-2005 11:17 PM

Surname of the Danish Royal Family
 
I was just wondering...do the members of the DRF have a last name? I mean since they are royalty and not commoners they wouldn't need one, but do they have one? In particular Prince Nikolai and Felix...would they use their paternal grandfather's last name (if they used one) or their paternal grandmother's?

galuhcandrakirana 07-21-2005 02:28 AM

I think they will use gluckborg name from paternal grandmother side...specially they also still very closed to throne. They will not use "labordemonzepath" or prince Henry's (original) surname since Joachim doesn't use it, but I am not very sure about it. I think Prince Charles (uk) uses windsor...not mounthbattent (Prince Phillip sure name)

moosey60 07-21-2005 06:41 PM

...I think it's Oldenborg or something like that.

MoonlightRhapsody 07-21-2005 07:43 PM

I believe their last name is "Glucksburg" (sorry, the spelling might be wrong.)

Reina 07-21-2005 08:51 PM

Yeah it is Glucksburg

pepperann 07-22-2005 12:54 AM

Thanks for the replies everyone! :)

KikkiB 07-22-2005 04:14 AM

The Oldenburgs ended with Frederik 7 as he didn't have any children, therefore he adopted a distant relative, Christian, who was made king Christian 9 in 1863 when Frederik 7 died. And Christian 9 belonged to the Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg family. So Danish royalty started afresh with Christian 9 and the Glucksburgs. Since that is a very long name, they normaly use Glucksburg. And that is the the family line that the Danish royal family belong to today, and it also is the family line of the Norwegian royal family.

This has confused me several times, but I figured it out by reading "Haakon and Maud - Kongstanken" by Bomann-Larsen (a Norwegian author) and for this post I've used www.wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_VII_of_Denmark and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_IX_of_Denmark)

pepperann 07-23-2005 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KikkiB
The Oldenburgs ended with Frederik 7 as he didn't have any children, therefore he adopted a distant relative, Christian, who was made king Christian 9 in 1863 when Frederik 7 died. And Christian 9 belonged to the Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg family. So Danish royalty started afresh with Christian 9 and the Glucksburgs. Since that is a very long name, they normaly use Glucksburg. And that is the the family line that the Danish royal family belong to today, and it also is the family line of the Norwegian royal family.

This has confused me several times, but I figured it out by reading "Haakon and Maud - Kongstanken" by Bomann-Larsen (a Norwegian author) and for this post I've used www.wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_VII_of_Denmark and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_IX_of_Denmark)

Oic...thanks for the information! I find it so interesting that royal families have such long and intricate family history/lineage. So cool really...unlike how us commoners are more...common. Nothing as extravagant. I mean how many people can actually read about their family/ancestors in history books? But if you're a royal then there's history galore! Once again, thanks for clarifying the two last name bit.

KikkiB 07-24-2005 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by pepperann
Oic...thanks for the information! I find it so interesting that royal families have such long and intricate family history/lineage. So cool really...unlike how us commoners are more...common. Nothing as extravagant. I mean how many people can actually read about their family/ancestors in history books? But if you're a royal then there's history galore! Once again, thanks for clarifying the two last name bit.

You are very welcome :D It took me some time before I got the connection too, but reading up on royal history does help a lot :) And I find it so facinating the fact that most of the European royalty is related in some way, close and not so close.

BeatrixFan 07-24-2005 09:33 AM

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The Prince of Wales et al use Mountbatten-Windsor. The Queen passed a Letters Patent in 1961 that kept the Royal House as the House of Windsor but it's members could use Mountbatten-Windsor should they choose. The Earl and Countess of Wessex's daughter is actually Lady Louise Mountbatten-Windsor not Lady Louise Windsor.
I think Prince Charles may dispense with the Windsor and re-name the House to the Royal House of Mountbatten but that's just a personal hunch.:)

aj00192557 08-09-2005 12:17 AM

the greek royal family are also glucksburg, right? and ann marie was a princess of denmark, right? so are they both descendants of the first glucksburg king of denmark? must be weird sharing the same last name and ancestry with your husband? on second thought, with all these inbreeding amongst the european royal houses, it is not as weird.

tiaraprin 08-09-2005 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BeatrixFan
The Prince of Wales et al use Mountbatten-Windsor. The Queen passed a Letters Patent in 1961 that kept the Royal House as the House of Windsor but it's members could use Mountbatten-Windsor should they choose. The Earl and Countess of Wessex's daughter is actually Lady Louise Mountbatten-Windsor not Lady Louise Windsor.
I think Prince Charles may dispense with the Windsor and re-name the House to the Royal House of Mountbatten but that's just a personal hunch.:)

I wouldn't be surprised if he did. He idolized Lord Louis Mountbatten. If he does it, Queen Mary and the Queen Mum are going to be rolling over in their graves while Lord Louis will be dancing! His dream would finally have come true. The demoted Mountbattens from World War I would become Royal once again!

ysbel 08-11-2005 10:11 PM

Technically the BRF should be the Glucksborgs too. Prince Philip original family name wasn't Mountbatten or even Battenberg which came from his mother's side. His father was Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark and the family name was Glucksborg.

ysbel 08-11-2005 10:13 PM

But then again, before Prince Philip, the family name shouldn't have been even Windsor. The family name came from Prince Albert who was a Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. The BRF like to play fast and loose with their family name ;) The Danes are much more conservative.

princess olga 08-11-2005 10:56 PM

wow so could we conclude that most royal families in europe today are of German (ic) decent? even queen victoria from britain was married to a german and her nine kids married royalty all over the place, thus contributing to the pool! Am I right or is this a too simplistic conclusion?

ysbel 08-11-2005 11:02 PM

The Glucksborgs were from Schleswig-Holstein, a contested territory between Germany and Denmark. But yes, Germany had a lot of princely families that the other royal families could marry into.

Warren 08-12-2005 03:45 AM

Lines of descent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by princess olga
wow so could we conclude that most royal families in europe today are of German(ic) descent? even Queen Victoria was married to a German and her nine kids married royalty all over the place, thus contributing to the pool! Am I right or is this a too simplistic conclusion?

Keeping in mind that, under the Act of Settlement, maintaining their rights of succession required British Royals to marry Protestants. The logical source of Protestant Princes and Princesses was from among the many German Royal and Princely Houses. Otherwise there was Denmark (Sweden never seemed to figure) and to a lesser extent Russia (and Greece for Queen Elizabeth!). Political considerations counted against the Romanovs (but OK for Queen Victoria's second son, Alfred). It is also logical considering the House of Hanover was of German origin, and up until 1837 ruled both Kingdoms (and the Duchy of Brunswick through a collateral branch of the family).

Catholic Houses tended to marry into other Catholic Houses. Thus we see connections between the dynasties of Habsburg, Bourbon (French and Spanish branches), Bourbon-Parma, Bourbon Two-Sicilies, Bragança (Portugal and Brazil) and Savoy, and from Germany (among others) Bavaria and Saxony.

Marriages of Queen Victoria's children: Victoria: Prussia; Edward: Denmark; Alice: Hesse-Darmstadt; Alfred: Russia; Helena: Schleswig-Holstein; Louise: Campbell (of Scotland); Arthur: Prussia; Leopold: Waldeck and Pyrmont; and Beatrice: Battenberg (morganatic branch of the House of Hesse-Darmstadt).

King George V married Princess May of Teck (a morganatic branch from the Protestant side of the Royal House of Württemberg).
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grecka 08-14-2005 11:34 PM

I think it's also worth noting that the Gluckburgs are the most extensively married royal family in Europe. Every single monarch in Europe, after all, is descended from King Christian of Denmark, who ruled in the 19th century. His children married into the Romanov, Windsor, Hohenzollern, etc. families and every single monarch in Europe ruling today can trace their heritage back, in some way, to him.

tiaraprin 08-15-2005 12:12 AM

The last name of the Danish Royal Family is Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg. That is the name that was carried over to Greece when they voted a Danish prince to ascend the throne.

Emi 08-26-2005 12:55 PM

Sorry to contradict everyone but I think the Danish royal family doesn't have a surname. They are descended from the House of Glucksborg, but that is their house and not their personal surname. There was an interview with Prince Pavlos posted in the GRF forum a long time ago where he stated on his business cards he is simply 'Prince Pavlos' because his family is descended from the Danish royal family and it doesn't have a surname. Similarly Martha Louise of Norway was registered as 'Princess Martha Louise' when she was born (no surname) as King Haakon was originally a Danish prince. So when Mary Donaldson married CP Frederik she became HRH Crown Princess Mary Elizabeth, not CP Mary Elizabeth Glucksborg or Mary Elizabeth Glucksborg. She has married into the House of Glucksborg, but it isn't her surname.


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