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Anna_R 07-12-2005 08:21 AM

Prince Felipe and Princess Letizia, Current Events Part 11: July - August 2005
 
Welcome to Felipe & Letizia's new thread.

The old thread can be found here: http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ead.php?t=6288

Have fun and happy posting!

Elsa M. 07-12-2005 08:33 AM

There’s also another thing that I have pointed out several times, but then again, this discussion is always being brought up for somebody, so here’s again my two cents.

Whenever Letizia accompanies Felipe, that act gets the double (sometimes much more than the double…) media coverage than when Felipe is alone. Well, in a country where Monarchy is not consolidated yet, and where the heir to the throne MUST prove everyday he’s hard working to serve the interests of his country, media coverage is capital. So, I would say that Letizia accompanying her husband and forming a team work with him is actually much smarter (and much more useful to help the Crown conquering the respect of all the Spaniards), than if she merely went to applaud any fashion show or attended any charity tea.

gattica28 07-12-2005 09:27 AM

Exactly! Felipe gets more media coverage when Letizia accompanies him then when he is alone, especially now that Leti is pregnant! With the history of the monarchy in Spain being so turbulent, it's important that Felipe and Letizia are seen to be working hard to ensure the continuation of the monarchy! Other CP couples work in an environment where their monarchies are far more stable, so they do not have the factor of political instability to deal with, unlike Felipe and Letizia!

amina1 07-12-2005 12:53 PM

Question
 
Is Spain politicaly instable, and why its monarchy history was turbulent?
Thanks.

Elsa M. 07-12-2005 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by amina1
Is Spain politicaly instable, and why its monarchy history was turbulent?

Hi, Amina! The Spain's political history of the 20th century is too complicated to get a good explanation here, but this is a recurrent discussion, so perhaps you could read some posts made in this thread:
http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...?t=6288&page=1

amina1 07-12-2005 02:53 PM

Thanks Elsa M. atleast I got a clue about it now.

carlota 07-12-2005 05:24 PM

i agree with elsa, but... wouldn't it be better if they both had her own agendas? they could cover lots of more areas than they do alone. also, in my own opinion letizia won't prove her aptitude for her role until she gets her own agenda and people start seeing how she works alone. although i admire her activeness and dedication since the beggining i really don't think it benefits their own image, the image of the royal family or the work done for spain that they attend both together to the same act. it seems to me sometimes that letizia is just there to shake hands with everyone and be by the side of felipe while he does the work of pronouncing speeches and all that. don't really know why the royal household doesn't allow her yet to have her own schedule after more than a year of being princess...

by the way, i think she does look gorgeous these days in her new pre-mum outfits. she needed that change.

grevinnan 07-12-2005 08:37 PM

To have your own agenda does not prove anything. Letizia is clearly a queen-in-training and I am sure the SRF have a clear picture of how it should be done. "My" queen Silvia did very few things on her own for the longest time but eventually she made her mark with dementia awareness and education and the World Childhood organization. I am sure Letizia is a strong partner in her's and Felipe's relationship and a valued member of the SRF and by participating in the events and meetings with Felipe she is given the place of a serious player. Each royal family approaches their work differently besides Felipe certainly gets much more press coverage when Letizia accompanies him.

grevinnan

Anna_R 07-12-2005 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by grevinnan
To have your own agenda does not prove anything. Letizia is clearly a queen-in-training and I am sure the SRF have a clear picture of how it should be done. "My" queen Silvia did very few things on her own for the longest time but eventually she made her mark with dementia awareness and education and the World Childhood organization. I am sure Letizia is a strong partner in her's and Felipe's relationship and a valued member of the SRF and by participating in the events and meetings with Felipe she is given the place of a serious player. Each royal family approaches their work differently besides Felipe certainly gets much more press coverage when Letizia accompanies him.

grevinnan

I couldn't have said better myself. Thank you grevinnan!

Genevieve 07-13-2005 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Alisa
I think the difference with Letizia is, that there has never been any sort of individuality with her (except for her speech a few weeks ago). There is nothing "wrong" with being part of a "team" or a couple working together; but in the same fashion that the heir also does his/her own agenda, the same can be done for the spouse. From the beginning Princess Mathilde started working and having her own agenda. In addition to being a part of the "team" with her husband, Mathilde is also very much an individual, she has had many solo visits both at home and abroad and has made many speeches as well. In the visit to India Mathilde and Phillippe each had their own agenda, in addition to the events they attended together. Thus, there was no tagging along.

Firstly, it's not fair to compare the Belgian royal house's way of doing things and the Spanish way of doing things. How many times can this be said??? :confused: So what if Mathilde had her own agenda from the very beginning? So what if Mary had her own agenda after a few months?

Secondly, Mathilde did not take on trips abroad alone less than a year after becoming a Crown Princess. It has been just barely a year since Letizia joined the royal house so to expect her to go on a trip alone already is a very high expectation, no matter how obviously competent and capable Letizia is. Now with her pregnancy and the expected down time after she has given birth, surely there will be some time before she takes on her own agenda or trips abroad by herself.

Thirdly, consider how many trips abroad Letizia has taken abroad with Felipe. Surely that is more trips abroad then Mary, Maxima, Mathilde and Mette-Marit did with their husbands within the first year of their marriages.

I would never consider what Letizia has done so far in accompanying Felipe on his engagements as tagging along. If that's how you classify it then you can say that Mary was tagging along when she went to Greenland with Frederik or to the Farose Islands recently with Margrethe, Henrik and Frederik. Just because Letizia isn't making a speech doesn't mean that she isn't improving relations between the Spanish household and a certain organization or Spain's relations with another country. You don't have to make a speech to be contributing. Your presence is sometimes enough or what you offer in your conversations with people at such engagements can further enhance your understanding of a situation that can propel relations or make situations easier for people.

And one if going to compare princesses and criticize how the Spanish royal household does things versus other royal households, consider how much easier and more effective Letizia's communication with whomever she meets as she's tagging along with Felipe than say Mary's communication when she is with Frederik or by herself, or how Maxima's communication was at the beginning of her Crown Princessly days. Niether Mary nor Maxima spoke Danish or Dutch fluently and likely stumbled or struggled now and then. Letizia, as someone who did not have to learn a new language, is much more capable of discussing complex issues, politics and history with the people she meets in the native language than Mary is now or Maxima in the beginning.

bigheadshirmp 07-13-2005 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Genevieve
Thirdly, consider how many trips abroad Letizia has taken abroad with Felipe. Surely that is more trips abroad then Mary, Maxima, Mathilde and Mette-Marit did with their husbands within the first year of their marriages.


And one if going to compare princesses and criticize how the Spanish royal household does things versus other royal households, consider how much easier and more effective Letizia's communication with whomever she meets as she's tagging along with Felipe than say Mary's communication when she is with Frederik or by herself, or how Maxima's communication was at the beginning of her Crown Princessly days. Niether Mary nor Maxima spoke Danish or Dutch fluently and likely stumbled or struggled now and then. Letizia, as someone who did not have to learn a new language, is much more capable of discussing complex issues, politics and history with the people she meets in the native language than Mary is now or Maxima in the beginning.


i absolutely agree...especially the language part...like no one ever crtizie Mary or Maxima's danish or dutch realli...haven't really heard anyone complain abt their language skills...as much as ppl criticize Letizia not having her own agenda. I think that Letizia is doing a great job as a crown princess, no crown princess in europe have that many engagements a day...(considering her having not only 1 but several engagements everyday/ more than 1 engagement per day if u add all up and divide by 365) how come people do not criticize Mary or Maxima or Mette Marit or even Mathilde for having too little engagements? i dun think there's anything wrong with performing the task with her husband since they are both doing their job professionally!

Alisa 07-13-2005 07:52 PM

You seem to have singled out just my post to expound your entire opinion on the discussion. I am only responding to the pieces that are relevant to what I posted in my previous post.

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Originally Posted by Genevieve
Firstly, it's not fair to compare the Belgian royal house's way of doing things and the Spanish way of doing things. How many times can this be said??? :confused: So what if Mathilde had her own agenda from the very beginning? So what if Mary had her own agenda after a few months?.

Go back and read the post from which my response was prompted. The poster specifically mentioned Princess Mathilde and so I chose to elaborate on the activities of the Princess.

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Originally Posted by Genevieve
Secondly, Mathilde did not take on trips abroad alone less than a year after becoming a Crown Princess. It has been just barely a year since Letizia joined the royal house so to expect her to go on a trip alone already is a very high expectation, no matter how obviously competent and capable Letizia is. Now with her pregnancy and the expected down time after she has given birth, surely there will be some time before she takes on her own agenda or trips abroad by herself.

Your first statement above is of course incorrect. Princess Mathilde undertook her first solo trip abroad less than 6 months after the wedding.

Meredith 07-13-2005 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Alisa
Your first statement above is of course incorrect. Princess Mathilde undertook her first solo trip abroad less than 6 months after the wedding.

Humm, I won't say that you're wrong Alisa, but out of curiosity, I searched the Belgian Royal Family website for Mathilde's trips abroad and based on the dates I've found, her first solo trip abroad took place on December 8th, 2003. Wasn't she married in December 4th 1999? This hardly makes 6 months, but 4 years.

Of course I might be wrong, but I didn't find a reference to a trip before this one on their site.... maybe you, with all of your wisdom, can elighten us about when this trip happened....

Alisa 07-13-2005 08:43 PM

"Me with all my wisdom?"Why the sarcasm?

http://www.nettyroyal.nl/newsapr00.html Scroll down to April 4th.

Meredith 07-13-2005 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Alisa
http://www.nettyroyal.nl/newsapr00.html Scroll down to April 4th.

Thank you Alisa! And many praises to Netty for her hard work;)

Genevieve 07-13-2005 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Alisa
You seem to have singled out just my post to expound your entire opinion on the discussion. I am only responding to the pieces that are relevant to what I posted in my previous post.

As the previous thread is closed it's a bit hard to copy and paste all the separate quotes. I did not mean to single you out, but I did want to address your comments about Mathilde and being a "team."

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Originally Posted by Alisa
Your first statement above is of course incorrect.

Of course incorrect? Why am I of course incorrect? I made a mistake (but not really as you'll see below).

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Originally Posted by Alisa
Princess Mathilde undertook her first solo trip abroad less than 6 months after the wedding.

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Originally Posted by Alisa
http://www.nettyroyal.nl/newsapr00.html Scroll down to April 4th.

Netty isn't completely accurate. Yes Mathilde did go to Great Britain but nowhere does it say it was a solo trip.

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Princess Mathilde of Belgium was in London, England. After a meeting with the Prince of Wales at St James’s Palace, she visited sick children in the hospital at Great Ormonde Street. The children there are fighting against cancer and other life-threatening diseases.
As I have been following Mathilde as a crown princess too, I know that she was not alone on this trip. Phillippe was also on this trip.

Caption:
LONDON, UNITED KINGDOM: Prince Charles (C) greets Crown Prince Philippe of Belgium and his wife Princess Mathilde to his London home at St. James Palace, 04 April 2000 as they are on their first official visit to Britain. (Photo credit should read MARTYN HAYHOW/AFP/Getty Images)

So unless there is other information, I have yet to see evidence that any of the crown princesses took on solo trips abroad within the first year of marriage. Many crown princesses accompanied their husbands on trips abroad (just as Letizia has done) but none took trips abroad alone.

delineate 07-13-2005 09:00 PM

Seriously, why should it matter whether or not Letizia has her own agenda? Maybe she and Felipe mutually agreed that they wanted to do things this way, at least for a few years.

Alisa 07-13-2005 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Genevieve
Netty isn't completely accurate. Yes Mathilde did go to Great Britain but nowhere does it say it was a solo trip.
As I have been following Mathilde as a crown princess too, I know that she was not alone on this trip. Phillippe was also on this trip.

Caption:
LONDON, UNITED KINGDOM: Prince Charles (C) greets Crown Prince Philippe of Belgium and his wife Princess Mathilde to his London home at St. James Palace, 04 April 2000 as they are on their first official visit to Britain.

Thanks for the correction.

madonna23 07-13-2005 09:31 PM

aren't we being a little too presumptive in judging letizia right now?? i mean, come on, the girl has been a princess for barely a year...i think we won't be truly able to anaylze letizia's activism until she has been princess for at least 3-4 years...just because other princesses - like mary of denmark - have had more solo appearances doesn't mean letizia has to do the same...not only is every royal house different but every person is different as well....

besides, letizia maybe be quite active behind the scenes - we just don't hear about it...i think it's quite rash to judge her like this...give the woman a break...i mean, how many women can say they have had such a successful career, especially at her such young age?

gattica28 07-14-2005 07:48 AM

You know, I read the criticisms of these Crown Princessess and I think, how easy for us as arm chair critics to sit and judge these women! How many of us would have the courage to choose the lives they have? To give up freedom of choice and anonymity to lead a life where every aspect will be criticised! Yes, the perks are great, but look at the sacrificies! And some women like Mary and Maxima have had to move across the world, leave families behind, learn a new language no less to live the life that they're living now! Letizia had to give up a hugely successful career where she presented the news and now her life is the news! I mean, the Crown Princesses are all amazing women because they have shown a great deal of courage in choosing their present lives. I like looking at photos of them and reading about their lives, but I wouldn't give up my life for theirs!


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