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Gabriella 06-16-2005 09:27 PM

HSH Prince Albert Current Events 8 : June 2005 - July 2005
 
Here is the new thread for all the latest news and pictures of Prince Albert.

You can find the previous thread here: http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...113#post228113

smdouglas 06-17-2005 10:44 AM

Nicole Coste back in the News
 
Lafigaro carried an article on the latest developments. It looks like an announcement will be coming on 7 July.

French / English translation done by Google.

monaco70s 06-17-2005 11:48 AM

From the article smdouglas posted:

Quote:

Joint par téléphone à l'étranger, Me Thierry Lacoste, conseil de la famille Grimaldi, n'ignorait rien de l'entrevue parisienne mais réservait ses éventuelles réactions à une possible décision de justice : «Monaco continue d'observer un deuil national qui prendra fin le 6 juillet, indiquait-il, et nous ne dirons rien d'ici là. Mais nous publierons un communiqué sur cette affaire dès le 7 juillet.»
Like smdouglas said, there will a communique regarding this subject on July 7.

monaco70s 06-17-2005 11:53 AM

Another interesting tidbit, translation by google.

Quote:

L'ancienne hôtesse, elle, est désormais pressée par le temps. Si la filiation du petit Alexandre n'est pas établie avant son deuxième anniversaire – le 24 août prochain –, elle ne pourra plus exercer aucun recours devant la justice. C'est à son fils qu'il reviendrait alors d'engager une recherche en paternité, mais seulement après avoir atteint la majorité. C'est-à-dire dans seize ans...
The former hostess, it, from now on is been short by the time. If the filiation of the small Alexandre is not established before its second anniversary - on next 24 August -, it will not be able to exert any recourse any more in front of justice. It is to his/her son that it would then return to engage an affiliation, but only after having reached the majority. I.e. in sixteen years...

Lillia 06-17-2005 02:44 PM

Well, in France there is only 1 reason anyone would ever need to have the birth certificate; to establish paternity and require on the father the child support and the inheritance without going to courts for it.

I believe in the other article in the last thread, the notary said that there also the mother of a child born outside of a marrige is not entitled to the document only the child when they are majority. And anyway, anybody marriage or not will have alot of difficulty getting that paper too -- because the autorities will always give such a problem for it. In my opinion, when she kept asking on it, they would know that she was not just looking for the 'souvenir' because it is hardly used for anything else.

If he is providing for her so generously as she said in her interview, how could she be attending a bankruptcy court? Maybe that is for something very different.

I am feeling bad for her, regardless of how I think of her actions or motivations with going to the media (I still think was very tacky), because she is going to have to go thru alot with all that.

Any court activity is stressful, especially one like this, I think.:(

And again, I would still "take it with a grain of salt" on the why and where and what and such. :rolleyes:

monaco70s 06-17-2005 11:12 PM

Monaco has a new Minister of State.

From gouv.mc

Quote:

Le mercredi 1er juin 2005



Prestation de serment de S.E. M. Jean-Paul Proust, Ministre d'Etat




Nommé Ministre d'Etat de la Principauté par Ordonnance Souveraine n°63 du 13 mai 2005, S.E. M. Jean-Paul Proust a prêté serment devant S.A.S. le Prince Souverain le 1er Juin 2005.

Son Altesse Sérénissime était assistée de M. René Novella, Secrétaire d'Etat.

Etaient présents à cette cérémonie : S.E.M. Jean Grether, Directeur de Cabinet de S.A.S. le Prince ; M. Franck Biancheri, Conseiller de Gouvernement pour les Finances et l'Economie ; M. Gilles Tonelli, Conseiller de Gouvernement pour l'Equipement, l'Environnement et l'Urbanisme ; M. Denis Ravera, Conseiller de Gouvernement pour les Affaires Sociales et la Santé ; M. Rainier Imperti, Délégué aux Relations Extérieures auprès du Ministre d'Etat ; M. Raymond Biancheri, Conseiller au Cabinet de S.A.S. le Prince ; M. Georges Lisimachio, Secrétaire Général du Cabinet Princier ; le Colonel Serge Lamblin, Chambellan de S.A.S. le Prince ; le Lieutenant Colonel Bruno Philipponnat, Aide de camp.

monaco70s 06-17-2005 11:14 PM

A communique from the Mayor of Monaco regarding Albert's enthronisation on July 12.

From gouv.mc

Quote:

AVENEMENT DE S.A.S LE PRINCE ALBERT II




La Mairie communique :



A l'occasion de l'Avènement de S.A.S le Prince Albert II qui sera célébré le mardi 12 juillet 2005, les Monégasques sont invités à venir retirer des billets en Mairie qui leur permettront :

- d'assister à la Messe et Te Deum qui se dérouleront en la Cathédrale à 11h30 (ouverture des portes à 10h30) ;

- au concert de l'Orchestre Philharmonique de Monte-Carlo, dirigé par Me Marek Janowski, qui aura lieu dans la Cour d'Honneur du Palais Princier à 21h30.

Pour chacun de ces événements, deux places par foyer seront attribuées à tout Monégasque majeur, sur présentation d'une pièce d'identité.



La distribution s'effectuera de 9h00 à 16h00 sans interruption à partir du lundi 20 juin, jusqu'à épuisement des places disponibles.

monaco70s 06-17-2005 11:16 PM

The program of Albert II Of Monaco's enthronisation day, July 12, 2005.

From gouv.mc

Quote:

Bureau de Presse




Vendredi 17 juin 2005



Communiqué



Mardi 12 juillet 2005, la Principauté de Monaco célébrera l'Avènement de S.A.S. le Prince Albert II. Cette journée sera marquée par les cérémonies suivantes :


- 11h30 : Messe et Te Deum célébrés par Mgr Bernard Barsi et le clergé du diocèse en la Cathédrale.

Cérémonie réservée aux Monégasques et à leur conjoint.

Compte tenu du nombre limité de places dans la Cathédrale, les Monégasques sont invités à retirer leurs billets à la Mairie (2 par foyer), dans la limite des places disponibles.

Les portes de la Cathédrale seront ouvertes à 10h 30.

Retransmission sur grand écran rue de l'Eglise pour les Monégasques et les Résidents ne pouvant accéder dans la Cathédrale.


- 19h00 : Cérémonie officielle suivie d'une réception offerte par S.A.S. le Prince aux Monégasques, à leur conjoint et à leurs enfants, sur la Place du Palais Princier.

La Place du Palais sera ouverte à partir de 17h30

- 21h30 : Concert de l'Orchestre Philharmonique de Monte-Carlo placé sous la Direction de Me Marek Janowski dans la Cour d'Honneur du Palais Princier, retransmis sur grand écran sur la Place du Palais.

Compte tenu du nombre limité de places dans la Cour d'Honneur, les Monégasques sont invités à retirer leurs billets à la Mairie (2 par foyer), dans la limite des places disponibles.


A partir de 22h00 sur le Quai Albert 1er et la Darse sud du Port de Monaco, soirée festive avec feu d'artifice et bal, ouverte aux Monégasques (sur présentation de la carte d'identité), à leur conjoint et à leurs enfants, et aux Résidents de la Principauté (sur présentation de la carte de séjour).

- Vers 22h45 : S.A.S. le Prince, les personnalités et les Monégasques ayant assisté au Concert rejoignent le Port à pied par la Rampe Major.


Son Altesse Sérénissime souhaite que cette journée soit placée sous le signe de la convivialité qui souligne l'attachement profond unissant depuis plus de sept siècles la Famille Princière et la communauté monégasque dans son ensemble.

Les cérémonies du Couronnement, à caractère plus international et marquées par l'invitation de personnalités étrangères, coïncideront avec la Fête Nationale, maintenue, selon le souhait de S.A.S. le Prince, le 19 novembre.

Le détail en sera communiqué ultérieurement.

monaco70s 06-17-2005 11:17 PM

On July 12, 2005 the enthronisation will be for the Monegasques only, while International personalities will be invited on November 19, 2005 for National Day.

Dennism 06-18-2005 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LadyMacAlpine
Thanks Denni for making me smile.

You´re welcome. I find it interesting that she is heading to bankruptcy court.

"I believe in the other article in the last thread, the notary said that there also the mother of a child born outside of a marrige is not entitled to the document only the child when they are majority."

Hopefully, the situation will be straightened out before the boy becomes of age.

leahteresa 06-18-2005 12:20 PM

"Someone help me here I'm confussed if she doesn't need money but according to one source lost custody of her older children because she couldn't support them then why this? Bankruptcy Court is for someone trying to write off debts they can't afford. And now we know why she was at the courthouse. To get paternity and child support you go to civil court. Her in Bankruptcy court seems to me it is about money. Or am I wrong?"

She is getting ready to sue him for big bucks. She is going for a big payoff and so are her attorneys. People file for bankruptcy in the states to avoid paying child support, it's a legal way to document being "broke". See, she establishes that she had a relationship with PA, she had a child by him, he abandoned her (emotionally), and now she's in the poor house. <Removed conjecture>

Lillia 06-18-2005 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LadyMacAlpine
Someone help me here I'm confussed if she doesn't need money but according to one source lost custody of her older children because she couldn't support them then why this? Bankruptcy Court is for someone trying to write off debts they can't afford. And now we know why she was at the courthouse. To get paternity and child support you go to civil court. Her in Bankruptcy court seems to me it is about money. Or am I wrong?

Quote:

Originally Posted by LadyMacAlpine

SMDouglas thanks for the link.



I wonder where the info about here actually going to this bankruptcy court about something is coming from. And in my opinion, the custody situation of her other boys has nothing to do with any of this thing at all.

I guess the main question here could be like this;

1. Is the boy Albert's son or not.

2. If he is Albert son, is the boy legally entitled to be an heir on Albert (not to be a prince, but to other things).

3. If he is Albert son, and legally entitled to something, what is it.

In my opinion, the court would be able to get the result of the test that was said to have been done already (maybe they are trying to wait for Albert to give approval - but who knows); that would tell everything straight away. But, I do not know that.

I must say, I do not know what I would do if I were either of them. But, right or not, she has courage taking on that organization, knowing (or perhaps not knowing) what they and their supporters will try to do to her reputation -- it may well be beyond anything she could ever do herself.

This sort of thing always happens to anyone anywhere who challenges an established way of doing something rightly or not.

'That organization' is going to put her through alot over this thing. I hope she has a strong internal resources, because if she is truly doing all this to protect the right of the 2 year old boy, the things that she will have to endure (the smears and mud throwing and such) can 'break one's spirit' right off.

If she has been honest about all of this, and her advisor is helping to do what need to protect the legal rights of the little boy, since he cannot do so himself, then she needs to understand not to let her own self be defined by the situation.

If this boy belong to Albert, he should maybe admit it and move forward with settling the issue and put it behind himself. He is almost a 50 years old, a grown-up, and it's far too late to go back and undo things.

It may not look so nice eventually if he seems to let his people behave as if they aim to deprive the 2 yrs old baby what the baby may legally be entitled to, if anything.

But I do not know. in my opinion, unless it is proven she is a depraved liar, then Albert did have a role in making this situation.

It is truly very unfortunate to carry on so over what a baby is entitled to have.

Again, all that is just a guess on my part :cool: I don't know.

Chrissieb 06-18-2005 11:01 PM

I'm new to the forum and just wanted to stop by and say hi The royal families I like the most are the Grimaldi's (Monaco) and the Windsor's (UK).Neither family seems to have a dull moment-do they? :)
My .02 ..on Albert, I saw him on Larry King and he struck me as a sensitive caring man who
does the right thing . If the baby is his, and I think he is, he will continue to support him finacially (which Nicole says he's been doing) and be a more active father. I think he should have acknowledged the baby sooner too..but maybe he feared his father's reaction. Also I do not like how Nicole has handled the situation at all. You have to wonder about a woman who has a son with a Prince and exploits the baby in magazine articles/covers..she definitely wasn't thinking about her son's safety IMO.
Christine

MoonlightRhapsody 06-19-2005 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrissieb
I'm new to the forum and just wanted to stop by and say hi The royal families I like the most are the Grimaldi's (Monaco) and the Windsor's (UK).Neither family seems to have a dull moment-do they? :)
My .02 ..on Albert, I saw him on Larry King and he struck me as a sensitive caring man who
does the right thing . If the baby is his, and I think he is, he will continue to support him finacially (which Nicole says he's been doing) and be a more active father. I think he should have acknowledged the baby sooner too..but maybe he feared his father's reaction. Also I do not like how Nicole has handled the situation at all. You have to wonder about a woman who has a son with a Prince and exploits the baby in magazine articles/covers..she definitely wasn't thinking about her son's safety IMO.
Christine

Welcome to the forum, Chrissieb!

There's one observation that I just thought of. Nicole is living in Albert's apartment. Albert has been financially supporting Alexandre. Nicole has other children with different fathers. So indirectly, Albert has been supporting the other children that are definitely not his. If that's not a mark of a good man, I don't know what is. It's also interesting to note that Nicole was seen in bankruptcy court...Interesting...

Chrissieb 06-19-2005 09:02 AM

HI Everyone,
IMO while Albert has an obligation to support and provide for his son, that does not necessarily have to include the mother. Nicole is young and should be able to go to work.
Nicole has stated that she does live in his apartment in Paris and this is until her home is completed. (And I think she stated that he is providing a home for them until Alexandre is 18). Sounds like shes and her children (all of them) were being taken care very well financially..most single mom's would be very thankful to be receiving regular support payments and (IMO) a nice place to live.

<Removed conjecture> Also without a job, I wonder how she's paying a lawyer too.
Christine

michelleq 06-19-2005 11:06 AM

With all that has been said in done, Other than Lady MacAlpine, does everyone now sees that considering the situation, Prince Albert has acted admirably towards Nicole and her children?

Suonymona 06-19-2005 12:38 PM

The only thing to consider is we have only the side and words of Nicole.

Until official words are heard from 'The Rock', we are reserving judgment on the situation.

Dani and Ann

dreed777 06-19-2005 03:23 PM

If Albert turns out to be a "victim of lies" and not the father, he will be totally vindicated. If he is the father, he surely doesn't seem to have spent very much time at all with his child - we call that where I'm from being a "deadbeat dad". Money is a huge resource for him - supporting Nicole & Alexandre financially is a drop in a bucket. The true test of a good father is how much time, how much love, how much emotional care, etc. is spent - for someone as wealthy as he, money is simply nothing - writing a check is easy. AND I'm sorry, but a loving, caring father DOES NOT wait several months to see his child for the first time (IF this is all true). I just don't find that to be "acting admirably" in the least. Albert is photographed participating in recreational activities enough so that we know he has time to do what he really wants to do - "busy position" or not.:) Albert doesn't come across in interviews as being irresponsible and uncaring, but actions speak louder than words (and have done so for 20 months) IF Nicole is being honest.
As far as Albert being financially responsible for his child, but not the child's mother, he needs to think about how the child will feel about this years down the road (most people I know are extremely protective of and devoted to their mothers moreso than to their fathers by nature and would not think too kindly of their dads if they took that route).
However, IF she is filing bankruptcy, maybe Albert is NOT the father and has cut off the money. (But then you have to wonder why he would've been supporting her and Alexandre all this time if he's not the father.)
Since all we have from his camp is one snide comment about her timing - and in my opinion, her timing did not seem to be very respectful - that's really pretty much nothing. But since they had such a long-lasting relationship, who knows what all went on between them all those years, and what they could be holding grudges about and why they have done what they did (her perhaps not so great timing, his perhaps not appearing to be a very caring father). I personally think that if she's being honest, she just got so fed up with him promising that birth certificate or whatever it was and not following up with his promises that she just acted in retaliation.

monaco70s 06-19-2005 11:48 PM

He was hosting the Prince Pierre Awards.

Lillia 06-20-2005 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suonymona
The only thing to consider is we have only the side and words of Nicole.

Until official words are heard from 'The Rock', we are reserving judgment on the situation.

Dani and Ann

That makes complete sense to me. :)

I will reserve my thought until Monaco says whatever they have to say about it.


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