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agisele 04-14-2005 05:55 AM

Well with King Harald in the hospital, Prince Haakon in Japan and Princess Martha Louise just giving birth. Who's currently regent in Norway?

norwegianne 04-14-2005 05:58 AM

Crown Prince Haakon will be back in time for the state-council on Friday. There only needs to be a regent in the country for those, though if the regent is on official business on those occasions the Prime Minister will be acting regent.

Princess Märtha Louise has never been a regent.

agisele 04-14-2005 06:09 AM

Thanks for the information.
No, I just assumed that because Martha Louise was 3rd in line to the throne, (and Ingrid Alexandra being too young to be a regent), that if her father and brother were not available, that the duty of being regent would fall on her.

GrandDuchess 04-14-2005 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by agisele
I just assumed that because Martha Louise was 3rd in line to the throne, (and Ingrid Alexandra being too young to be a regent), that if her father and brother were not available, that the duty of being regent would fall on her.

That's how I assumed things as well before reading this...

How come only Crown Prince Haakon can be temporary regent when King Harald is not "available"? So she has never been temporary acting regent, in a case like if both Harald and Haakon would be abroad?

Larzen 04-14-2005 11:58 AM

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Haakon is regent even when he is abroad, however you will notice that his trips are usually planned so that he is always in Oslo for Statecouncil on Fridays. The regent always goes out of their way to attend statecouncil, like King Harald arrived just hours before Frederik and Marys wedding so that he could hold statecouncil first. Latly there has been a great many royal funerals that has been on Fridays. I assume Haakon would have attended Rainiers funeral had it not been on a friday. He would have also had a very busy scheduel had Prince Charles wedding not been moved to London, first statecouncil at 11 and then fly to Britain as the plan was first.

Its a pitty Märtha cant be regent IMO, it would have made things easier. Like in Denmark where they have Frederik, Joachim and Benedichte to choose from, but I do belive that Denmark always has to have a regent in the country, which is not the case in Norway. If the King is on a longer trip abroad he is still regent, but Haakon will host the Statecouncil in his absens.

I do belive the statecouncil can be held on Thursdays if there is a special reason for it, and if both the King and CP cant attend the Primeminister (Or the highest ranking minister in the country at the moment) will preside the state council



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Today Haakon and Mette-Marit gave a lunch for the President and first Lady of Kroatia. Unfortunatly not the best quality pictures, but I can say that I dont like her outfit....:cool:

MoonlightRhapsody 04-15-2005 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GrandDuchess
That's how I assumed things as well before reading this...

How come only Crown Prince Haakon can be temporary regent when King Harald is not "available"? So she has never been temporary acting regent, in a case like if both Harald and Haakon would be abroad?

See, I thought that since the constitution was changed so that the first-born child inherits the throne and is effective starting from Haakon that Martha-Louise would be able to act as regent. As someone pointed out, Ingrid's a tad bit too young for that position.

norwegianne 04-15-2005 06:58 AM

Märtha Louise would technically be allowed to be regent should it ever come to that. The only problem currently is that she hasn't given the oath to uphold the constitution, and therefore cannot act as regent. My only guess as to why not is that it is customarily something done when they come of age, and when Märtha Louise did it, she wasn't actually eligeble to the throne. (I think she turned 18 in 1989, and the constitution changed in 1990.) And when the law changed she was so far down the line, and Harald hadn't yet ascended to the throne.

It's all guessing, really, though it was discussed in the media when King Harald was recovering from the cancer surgery, and Haakon officially was eligeble for "daddy leave" around Ingrid Alexandra's birth. It seems to be a matter of how you interpret one or two of the paragraphs in the constitution, etc... whether it should just be the closest to the throne, or everybody eligeble.

GrandDuchess 04-15-2005 09:38 AM

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It seems to be a matter of how you interpret one or two of the paragraphs in the constitution, etc... whether it should just be the closest to the throne, or everybody eligeble.

This all sounds very confusing! If a person is in line to the throne - that person should also be able to act as temporary regent, otherwise it doesn't make sense to me.... But I guess there's history behind all this and so on, so it might be following tradition and not just about law interpretation.

agisele 04-15-2005 11:43 AM

Thanks for clearing it up for me.
I had always thought that it was the same in Norway as it is in Denmark, take for example, that last year in May. Prince Frederik was on his honeymoon in Tanzania, and Queen Margarethe was attending the wedding of Prince Felipe & Princess Letizia of Spain, it was Prince Joachim who was regent during that time (albeit for a short period)

I just assumed that it was the same in Norway, with King Harald on sick leave and Crown Prince Haakon away, that the duty of regent would fall upon Martha Louise. But it would have been interesting to see who the regent would have been, if Norway did have a similar law to that of Denmark in this situation. It would have been the person who is placed 6th in line to the throne i suppose (who is that?), after Princess Martha Louise's two daughters, Maud Angelica and Leah Isadora (who like Ingrid Alexandra are a bit too young to be placed in charge of a country. ;-))

norwegianne 04-15-2005 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by agisele
Thanks for clearing it up for me.
I had always thought that it was the same in Norway as it is in Denmark, take for example, that last year in May. Prince Frederik was on his honeymoon in Tanzania, and Queen Margarethe was attending the wedding of Prince Felipe & Princess Letizia of Spain, it was Prince Joachim who was regent during that time (albeit for a short period)

I just assumed that it was the same in Norway, with King Harald on sick leave and Crown Prince Haakon away, that the duty of regent would fall upon Martha Louise. But it would have been interesting to see who the regent would have been, if Norway did have a similar law to that of Denmark in this situation. It would have been the person who is placed 6th in line to the throne i suppose (who is that?), after Princess Martha Louise's two daughters, Maud Angelica and Leah Isadora (who like Ingrid Alexandra are a bit too young to be placed in charge of a country. ;-))

The Norwegian law of succession ends with Leah Isadora. There is no person after her in the line. Neither Princess Astrid or Princess Ragnhild, or their children or grandchildren, have ever been eligeble. The law change didn't encompass them at all.

agisele 04-15-2005 12:40 PM

Right. was it because they gave up their right to ascend the throne? I'm thinking that Princess Ragnhild probably did, considering her history with the family. (wasn't she the one who said that the Norweigian Royal Family never accepted her choice of husband or something of that sort? and how it was hypocritical that they accepted Mette-Marit into the family?) correct me if I'm wrong, i could just be making something up on top of my head and convincing myself that it did actually happen.

norwegianne 04-15-2005 12:56 PM

They've never had rights to the throne at all, so it isn't something they've given up at all.

Well, Princess Ragnhild did speak out against Haakon and Märtha Louise's choice in partners. I don't think it was a relevance on her own choice of partner, it was more a feeling of having a certain standard to uphold if one was royal.

Ragnhild had to prove to her parents that she wanted Erling, but that was: 1) because she was 15 when she began to fall in love with him and 2) because she was among the first royals in Europe to marry a commoner.

Josefine 12-29-2005 11:45 AM

so what i understand there does not need to be a regent in the country all the time oppisite from denmark where a regent need to be appointed in sweden a regent other then the king is only oppinted when the king is very far from sweden

lashinka2002 01-12-2006 08:44 AM

So when the King dies (hopefully he still lives a very long and happy life) will Martha then take the oath and act as regent?

purple_platinum 01-13-2006 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by lashinka2002
So when the King dies (hopefully he still lives a very long and happy life) will Martha then take the oath and act as regent?

not if Ingrid Alexandra can grow-up and be adults before that. i really hope so...

btw, how old does Ingrid Alexandra has to be before she can participate in official events and act as regent?

crisiñaki 01-13-2006 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by purple_platinum
not if Ingrid Alexandra can grow-up and be adults before that. i really hope so...

btw, how old does Ingrid Alexandra has to be before she can participate in official events and act as regent?

To be regent she has to be 18 years old and take the oath to uphold and defend the norwegian constitution


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