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Freedom 02-18-2005 07:57 PM

Royal Wedding Vows
 
Have any royals ever written their own wedding vows?

Alexandria 02-18-2005 08:42 PM

I think royals generally follow the marriage vows set out by their respective church. Original declarations of love tend to be left for the wedding speeches at the reception. Amendments, even slight ones, I think occur though.

For example, I remember the uproar over Sophie's decision/choice to cite her vows to Edward as "honour, cherish and obey." Feminists the world over declared wrote endless commentary pieces about how archaic this part of the vows were and how Sophie was not a modern woman for doing so. I think most modern brides drop the "obey" part but keep the rest of the vows.

sara1981 02-19-2005 04:20 PM

what about Diana,Princess of Wales and Sarah,Duchess of York's wedding vows? and Princess Anne?

I understand Countess of Wessex's vows more respectives as former Public Relations because she stills obeys to her husband and Queen lots! i dont blame her.

Sara Boyce

Genevieve 02-19-2005 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sara1981
I understand Countess of Wessex's vows more respectives as former Public Relations because she stills obeys to her husband and Queen lots! i dont blame her.

Sara Boyce

As a woman I'm really surprised that you would support the "obey" part of the vow and don't "blame" Sophie for reciting that part of the vows. As a woman I was insulted and offended that Sophie chose to cite that as part of her vows.

I actually think the "obeying" part is wrong. In this day and age no adult should have to obey another adult. Especially if the other person is their husband who is supposed to be their equal partner in life and why should Sophie have to obey even the Queen? Nothing in Sophie's character or personality implies someone who would recklessly do things without considering how it would hurt or affect others such as the royal family. So why is it so important for Sophie to obey Edward and the Queen? :confused:

Obeying is a patriarchal and ancient custom so that men can dominate women and so the powerful can dominate society's lower echelons. As long as we encourage women to cite vows that include "obey" the further we push women down and don't allow them to thrive and succeed as their male counterparts. Women might as well be stricly baby-making/cooking/cleaning machines if we encourage them to "obey" rather than be the independent, thinking and productive individuals we know they are.

Freedom 02-19-2005 04:57 PM

I think the term 'obey' is necessary because she is marrying into a situation where she IS to serve her people, more than she is to serve herself. I don't think it is an issue of women's rights, but moreover an issue of duty.

Genevieve 02-19-2005 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Freedom
I think the term 'obey' is necessary because she is marrying into a situation where she IS to serve her people, more than she is to serve herself. I don't think it is an issue of women's rights, but moreover an issue of duty.

Sophie pledged to "obey" Edward - not the entire country of Great Britian or the Queen. That is the distinction.

When Sophie and Edward were marrying, there weren't plans at the time for either of them to give up their careers: he Advent productions or her her PR company. It was only a few years later after the Sheik/Royal of the World sting did both give up their careers and become royals full time.

ElisaR 02-19-2005 07:05 PM

Elizabeth II chose "to obey". I'm not sure, but I think that at time of her marriage that part still was compulsory: in fact they offered the princess with the possibility of avoiding that part, because she was the future queen; but she rejected the possibility (as Queen Victoria did): maybe she wanted to be just like other women and not a privileged one. However I don't balme her in any way for not having seized the opportunity: those were other times.
About Sophie I think she just acted in an old fashioned way (in order to appear more "royal"?), but I doubt she really obeys to Edward. :rolleyes:

norwegianne 02-19-2005 07:38 PM

Wasn't there something about the wedding vows of Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson as well when it came to the obey part? I seem to recall something, but I can't quite remember *what*

Elspeth 02-19-2005 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Freedom
Have any royals ever written their own wedding vows?

In Church of England weddings this isn't permitted. Couples can choose prayers and readings, but the vows are part of the service. The only choice is whether the bride chooses to obey, which is optional in the 1980 updating of the marriage service.

Freedom 02-20-2005 02:09 AM

What happens when a nonroyal male marries a royal female? Must he obey too, or is this a term only in female vows?

Elspeth 02-20-2005 02:33 AM

It makes no difference to the Church of England marriage service whether one of the parties is royal or not. The form of the service is the same as for any other wedding. In the traditional service the bride had to promise to obey; in the newer form that promise is optional. There's no provision for the groom to vow to obey; he just has to vow to love, honour, and cherish.

alexandra485 08-16-2005 12:47 PM

what about the king and queen of Sweden? can anyone translate theirs because i can't speak or understand any Swedish.

Oppie 08-16-2005 08:36 PM

Re Sarah and the Duke of York (question up the thread)

She promised to obey him twice (I think she just repeated the word)

Royal Fan 04-21-2009 09:12 PM

How about the Romanovs

windsorbrides1 04-24-2009 12:35 AM

Sarah Ferguson said obey to Prince Andrew. He said it wasn't him the man "laying down the law" that they both looked at it as very much a MORAL obey. Sarah said that she wasn't one to sit meekly by or be ordered around at all.

windsorbrides1 04-24-2009 01:06 AM

The Anglican Marriage Service
{From The Book Of Common Prayer 1662 edition}


DEARLY beloved, we are gathered together here in the sight of God, and in the face of this company, to join together this Man and this Woman in holy Matrimony; which is an honourable estate, instituted of God himself, signifying unto us the mystical union that is betwixt Christ and his Church: which holy estate Christ adorned and beautified with his presence and first miracle that he wrought in Cana of Galilee, and is commended in Holy Writ to be honourable among all men: and therefore is not by any to be enterprised nor taken in hand unadvisedly, lightly, or wantonly; but reverently, discreetly, advisedly, soberly, and in the fear of God, duly considering the causes for which Matrimony was ordained.

First, it was ordained for the increase of mankind according to the will of God; and that children might be brought up in the fear and nurture of the Lord and to the praise of His Holy name.

Secondly, it was ordained in order that the natural instincts and affections, implanted by God, should be hallowed and directed aright; that those who are called of God to this holy estate, should continue therein in pureness of living.

Thirdly, it was ordained for the mutual society, help, and comfort, that the one ought to have of the other, both in prosperity and adversity.
Into which holy estate these two persons present come now to be joined.

Therefore, if any man can shew just cause, why they may not lawfully be joined together, let him now speak, or else hereafter, forever hold his peace.


I REQUIRE and charge you both, as ye will answer at the dreadful day of judgment when the secrets of all hearts shall be disclosed, that if either of you know any impediment, why ye may not be lawfully joined together in Matrimony, ye do now confess it. For be ye well assured, that so many as be coupled together otherwise than God's Word doth allow are not joined together by God; neither is their Matrimony lawful.

GROOM, Wilt thou have this Woman to thy wedded wife, to live together after God's ordinance in the holy estate of Matrimony? Wilt thou love her, comfort her, honour, and keep her in sickness and in health; and, forsaking all others, keep thee only unto her, so long as ye both shall live?

The Man shall answer, I will.

BRIDE, Wilt thou have this Man to thy wedded husband, to live together after God's law in the holy estate of Matrimony? Wilt thou love him, comfort him, honour, and keep him
(alternate ancient ceremony: obey him and serve him, love, honor and keep him) in sickness and in health; and, forsaking all others, keep thee only unto him, so long as ye both shall live?

The Woman shall answer, I will.

Who giveth this Woman to be married to this Man?

I, GROOM take thee BRIDE to my wedded Wife, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, till death us do part, according to God's holy law; and thereto I give thee my troth (alternate ancient ceremony: plight thee my troth).

I, BRIDE take thee GROOM to my wedded Husband, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish (alternate ancient ceremony: to love, cherish and to obey), till death us do part, according to God's holy law; and thereto I give thee my troth.


BLESS, O Lord, this Ring, that he who gives it and she who shall wear it may remain faithful to each other, and abide peace, and favour, and live together in love until their lives’ end. Through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

WITH this Ring I thee wed, with my body I thee honor, and all my worldly goods with thee I share;
(alternate ancient ceremony: with my body I thee worship and with all my worldly goods I thee endow); In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

They shall both kneel down: the congregation shall remain standing and the Minister shall say,

Let us pray. O ETERNAL God, Creator and Preserver of all mankind, Giver of all spiritual grace, the Author of everlasting life; Send thy blessing upon these thy servants, this Man and this Woman, whom we bless in thy Name; that living faithfully together, may surely perform and keep the vow and covenant betwixt them made, whereof this Ring given and received is a token and pledge, and may ever remain in perfect love and peace together, and live according to thy laws; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

Those whom God hath joined together let no man put asunder.

FORASMUCH as GROOM and BRIDE have consented together in holy wedlock, and have witnessed the same before God and this company, and thereto have given and pledged their troth, either to other, and have declared the same by giving and receiving a Ring, and by joining hands; I pronounce that they are Man and Wife, In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen
The Minister shall add this Blessing.

GOD the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost, bless, preserve, and keep you; the Lord mercifully with his favour look upon you, and so fill you with all spiritual benediction and grace; that ye may so live together in this life, that in the world to come ye may have life everlasting. Amen.


[ An important point to be made is that the English Catholic version recited by many brides before 1549 and all of Henry VIII's brides, the bride was required to vow to be "bonny and buxom in bed and at board"]





Royal Fan 04-24-2009 02:00 AM

What does that mean????????

iowabelle 04-24-2009 04:24 PM

I think "bonny and buxom" meant available and not giving the king too much attitude.

IloveCP 09-22-2011 06:04 PM

^ In the show The Tudors,When Henry VIII marries Catherine Parr,she does not say "obey".She did say "to be bonny and buxom in bed".Was does that mean?

Catherine Parr's reign as Queen - YouTube

NGalitzine 09-22-2011 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by IloveCP (Post 1319187)
^ In the show The Tudors,When Henry VIII marries Catherine Parr,she does not say "obey".She did say "to be bonny and buxom in bed".Was does that mean?

Catherine Parr's reign as Queen - YouTube

Basically I think she was agreeing to have sex whenever Henry wanted it.


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