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JessRulz 02-24-2019 12:48 AM

Duke and Duchess of Sussex, General News 3: February - May 2019
 
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General News, Part Three

Commencing February 24, 2019

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JessRulz 02-24-2019 12:50 AM

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Madame Verseau 02-24-2019 02:35 AM

Apparently Meghan is threatening to sue the Mail on Sunday for publishing her letter to her dad

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...tter-to-father

KP of course says no comment but no statement saying it stands by the reporting. I wonder if the paper's legal counsel told the TPTB they crossed the line and now both sides are working on a settlement.

Osipi 02-24-2019 03:07 AM

We actually have no clue what is going on with this matter as both KP and the Mail on Sunday have not commented on the issue.

However, reading the article in the Guardian made a good point that should be taken to heart and its also part of our own rules here on TRF and that is the amount of the letter that was published. Here, we can quote in our posts excerpts from a source up to a certain degree and then link to the source.

I seriously doubt that any action, if any, that is being taken on this matter will be available for public consumption. The legal eagles will handle it all.

muriel 02-24-2019 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Madame Verseau (Post 2199619)
Apparently Meghan is threatening to sue the Mail on Sunday for publishing her letter to her dad

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...tter-to-father

KP of course says no comment but no statement saying it stands by the reporting. I wonder if the paper's legal counsel told the TPTB they crossed the line and now both sides are working on a settlement.

I sincerely hope no legal action is initiated, as it is unlikely to be successful. Much as I do not think private correspondence between a daughter and her father is for public consumption, the letter was probably provided to the DM by Thomas Markle and not obtained by inappropriately.

JuliannaVictoria 02-24-2019 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by muriel (Post 2199634)
I sincerely hope no legal action is initiated, as it is unlikely to be successful. Much as I do not think private correspondence between a daughter and her father is for public consumption, the letter was probably provided to the DM by Thomas Markle and not obtained by inappropriately.

The Duchess of Sussex still holds the copyright as the author of the letter. However, as international copyright laws state, a portion of the letter could be legally published and I think that's what the DM will/are stating since the entire letter was not published.

Mbruno 02-24-2019 05:20 AM

An interesting PoV from The Telegraph today (hardly a tabloid).


Dear Meghan: a guide to being properly posh in Britain

Curryong 02-24-2019 05:26 AM

I think it's probably just a legal threat. I hope Thomas Markle isn't sued. He absolutely did the wrong thing, reprehensible really, in giving this letter to a newspaper (or selling it to them) but a Royal suing anyone isn't a good look, and that goes double for a new Royal taking legal action against her own father, even though she is in the right.

All it will do in my view is provoke the horrible Samantha to even more insults ahead of her book, and Thomas too would probably respond with more interviews. The situation would IMO escalate and might get considerably worse.

Madame Verseau 02-24-2019 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JuliannaVictoria (Post 2199639)
The Duchess of Sussex still holds the copyright as the author of the letter. However, as international copyright laws state, a portion of the letter could be legally published and I think that's what the DM will/are stating since the entire letter was not published.

So the question is, why isn't MoS defending itself publicly? Other media is starting to pick it up. @Curronyg - the situation may have gotten to the point there is no other choice. Tom Sr and Samantha were going to give spiteful interviews no matter what.

JuliannaVictoria 02-24-2019 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Madame Verseau (Post 2199677)
So the question is, why isn't MoS defending itself publicly? Other media is starting to pick it up.

It's probably a lot of legal issues going on behind the scenes. I agree, many legitimate press have picked up on the story, but Kensington palace nor the Mail on Sunday is responding. We just have to wait and see.

Cocoasneeze 02-24-2019 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 2199668)
An interesting PoV from The Telegraph today (hardly a tabloid).


Dear Meghan: a guide to being properly posh in Britain

I read that as tongue in cheek, Mocking these "British traditions" that seem to have become so important only when there's even a hint of Meghan breaking them.

Mbruno 02-24-2019 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cocoasneeze (Post 2199683)
I read that as tongue in cheek, Mocking these "British traditions" that seem to have become so important only when there's even a hint of Meghan breaking them.


Some of those "traditions" actually are not very commendable from a contemporary PoV. In the comments section, there was a reader who summed it up quite nicely writing that the conclusion in the article is that "real posh people" in Britain "have poor hygiene, eat (too much) meat, wear worn-out clothes, and are extremely tight-fisted with money". I would add "live in houses with bad plumbing and poor heating".

Rather ghastly, but it fits our image of the British aristocracy on this side of the Atlantic. No wonder Meghan is not fitting in !

Kataryn 02-24-2019 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by muriel (Post 2199634)
I sincerely hope no legal action is initiated, as it is unlikely to be successful. Much as I do not think private correspondence between a daughter and her father is for public consumption, the letter was probably provided to the DM by Thomas Markle and not obtained by inappropriately.


It will probably be treated after US copyright laws, as Meghan is an US citizen as is her father and the letter was probably sold on US soil. Plus it could be read in the US because it was posted online. That means it could become extremely expensive for the DF. Especially if they used the excerpts to create a different story to what the complete letter would say (which is what I assume, otherwise they would have printed the whole thing). Looked up a bit of American Copyright law - the physical letter belonged to Thomas Markle and he could have legally sold it to the Mail. But the Mail would have needed Meghan's permission to publish the content, to show the artistical way she wrote it and to allow that handwriting "experts" to make statements about the letter and publish them.



Here in Germany, it would have been Thomas Markle's right to publish the letter, as Meghan is a person of recent history and the receiver of a letter may publish it in that case. But it's different in the US. I am sure Amal Clooney is able to recommend the best lawyer for a case like this to her friend Meghan. :biggrin:

Osipi 02-24-2019 06:14 AM

If there is any kind of legal action going on, most likely Meghan is being advised on it all and, IMO, it most likely would be her wish that it all is conducted in a discreet manner out of the public eye and kept private.

As this news is already circulating, I'm afraid that the end result will be even more money generated for the Fail and other tabloids and press as they follow the story, get Daddy's and Samantha's viewpoints and dwell on that for the next month or so. This story is fresh meat to them.

Cocoasneeze 02-24-2019 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 2199687)
Some of those "traditions" actually are not very commendable from a contemporary PoV. In the comments section, there was a reader who summed it up quite nicely writing that the conclusion in the article is that "real posh people" in Britain "have poor hygiene, eat (too much) meat, wear worn-out clothes, and are extremely tight-fisted with money". I would add "live in houses with bad plumbing and poor heating".

Rather ghastly, but it fits our image of the British aristocracy on this side of the Atlantic. No wonder Meghan is not fitting in !

Who says Meghan isn't fitting in?! Imho she seems to be enjoying her life in UK quite a lot.

Mbruno 02-24-2019 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cocoasneeze (Post 2199696)
Who says Meghan isn't fitting in?! Imho she seems to be enjoying her life in UK quite a lot.


I was being sarcastic.


Anyway, the "posh" Telegraph writer does seem to think she is not fitting in.

Cocoasneeze 02-24-2019 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 2199697)
I was being sarcastic.


Anyway, the "posh" Telegraph writer does seem to think she is not fitting in.

Ahhhh ok, I've not drank enough coffee this morning, clearly. 😀

As this wasn't attempting to be a factual piece, I think, it's not worth pointing out the facts he did get wrong in his piece either.

Kataryn 02-24-2019 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 2199697)
I was being sarcastic.


Anyway, the "posh" Telegraph writer does seem to think she is not fitting in.


But why should she? She is now a part of the British Royal family but she is not yet a subject of Her Majesty, just a granddaughter-in-law of her. She is not a Royal in her own right, she just shares her husband's titles and style, as it is custom in the UK. Legally she is still an American citizen, the British government did not make her a Briton like eg the Danish government did for princesses Mary and Marie and the Spanish did for Greek princess Sofia.So why is it wrong if she returns to her home country to do traditional American things once in a while? It was made clear on the day of her marriage that she does not get any privilege for being the wife of a Royal - she must reside in the UK and apply for citizenship like anyone else. So why should she behave in every little thing as if she was what she isn't yet?

Osipi 02-24-2019 07:03 AM

I'm going to rely on Ralph again here. “To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment.”

If Meghan has to change who she is to "fit in", she stands to lose who she is. Harry married her for the woman she is. The BRF have accepted her as the woman she is. Why can't the rest of us?

Pranter 02-24-2019 07:44 AM

I think the majority of the 'angst' is from the online community. My guess is the average person living in the U.K. may not really care...and out of the percentage that do care my guess is most of those are fine with Meghan and how she's doing.

That's the feel I get anyway when seeing discussion about the BRF/Meghan on various forums.


LaRae


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