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Ava Elizabeth 12-20-2004 11:17 AM

Diana's eating disorders and health issues
 
Does anyone know how long Diana suffered from eating disorders?
Did she ever recover from them?
I`ve read that she had eating disorders when she got married to charles, but somewhere else I`ve read that she got them when Charles cheated on her with Camilla Parker Bowles.
Did her sons know about her problems, or did she hide it from them?
I dont know anything about this, so I would truly appreciate it if someone could post some info!
Thanks anyway!

bad_barbarella 12-20-2004 03:53 PM

i think it showed how human she was... so many girls have eating disorders today... i read somewhere she had a disorder...

Ennyllorac 12-20-2004 09:08 PM

Diana publicly spoke about being bulimic. I know she talked about this after her separation and spoke at a function to raise awareness for eating disorders.

cute_girl 12-21-2004 02:38 PM

she had kinda eating disorder that made her self bring up the food she had eaten,her stressfull life might be one the disorder's causes

Frances 12-24-2004 06:47 PM

Diana got the eating disorders before she even married Charles.During their engagement,Diana had to live in Buckingham Palace.She was always lonely and stopped eating..She also found out about Camilla before the marriage,so that must have made her even more depressed and anxious.

Elspeth 12-25-2004 07:09 PM

I read somewhere that she claimed her eating disorder started during her engagement when Charles said something about her being chubby, but I read somewhere else that someone else who knew her had claimed her problems started while she was still at school. I suppose it's a matter of whose version you believe.

maryshawn 12-29-2004 12:44 AM

There ARE two versions of when it began--during her school years she saw her sister develop anorexia and there are those who say she mimicked some of that behavior as far back as boarding school. Then there is the infamous story about Diana being told by Charles she was "a bit chubby" and how that set off the bulimia. One journalist said he thought she'd always had it but the "prevailing thinking is that when someone is happy and content, it goes away.....when one is not, it reappears." He cited Charles' love for Camilla and the extent of that love being fully revealed on the honeymoon as the true start of the real bulimia. Does Diana address it on the infamous Peter Settleton or Andrew Morton tapes?

Elspeth 12-31-2004 01:09 AM

I'm not sure if she does, although if I remember correctly Andrew Morton seemed to have believed her version of events that her health problems were originally caused by Charles. However, since that's what she was intending for him to believe, it just means that that's what she told him, not necessarily what actually happened.

Ava Elizabeth 01-14-2005 09:48 AM

Thank you all for posting! Did William and Harry know about her eating disorders?
Did she recover from them?
=)

cute_girl 01-20-2005 02:14 PM

right now of course they know,but i dont think a mother worries her little children with her mental disease so i dont think they knew then,is being bulimic passes to children from parents?i mean are william and harry in risk of getting such disorder?

maryshawn 01-21-2005 08:49 PM

One author wrote "Prince William has been aware far too long" of his mother's unhappiness and instabilities. He was fiercely protective of her and she used him as a sounding board even when he was way too young to hear all she had to say about Charles, the marriage, etc. I'm sure the kids knew "mommy" had something wrong with her as even staff noticed how she would often run to the bathroom to vomit after eating. And when she started speaking about eating disorders--implying subtly she knew of whence she spoke as she had suffered from them--they were covered by the media. Kids will be kids; and I'm sure William and Harry heard from their schoolmates what their parents were saying about Diana having eating disorders. Bulimia is uncommon in men so they likely will not inherit a tendency toward it. Thank God.
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Originally Posted by cute_girl
right now of course they know,but i dont think a mother worries her little children with her mental disease so i dont think they knew then,is being bulimic passes to children from parents?i mean are william and harry in risk of getting such disorder?


Genevieve 01-21-2005 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by maryshawn
One author wrote "Prince William has been aware far too long" of his mother's unhappiness and instabilities. He was fiercely protective of her and she used him as a sounding board even when he was way too young to hear all she had to say about Charles, the marriage, etc.

I think that is one of Diana's greatest mistakes as a parent -- to have used her very young children as sounding boards for the problems in her own life and her marriage. Speaking negatively about Charles, Camilla or how the rest of the British royal family or those who worked for them treated her was bad parenting in the least. No matter how she personally felt about Charles, Camilla or the rest of the family, they are still William and Harry's family (Camilla notwithstanding). Charles, as horribly as he treated Diana, is still William and Harry's father and the Queen, Prince Phillip et. al. are still their grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc. Telling her sons such negative things could have seriously impacted how they felt about their paternal family and in light of the fact that Diana passed away prematurely, it's a good thing that William and Harry had a good relationship with their father to help them through that difficult time.

sommone 01-22-2005 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by cute_girl
right now of course they know,but i dont think a mother worries her little children with her mental disease so i dont think they knew then,is being bulimic passes to children from parents?i mean are william and harry in risk of getting such disorder?

If you are speaking of bulimia being passed to William and Harry, I'm not sure that's possible...well at least I have never come across a story on men having bulimia. Also, I think that having bulimia has a lot to do with your self-esteem...I don't think men tend to obsess about their bodies like we do...I mean, they tend to go about it differently from women. Many of them are concerned about getting physically fit.

Elspeth 01-22-2005 12:18 AM

I think men do have eating disorders; the Duchess of Kent's biography refers to Lord Nicholas Windsor having some sort of eating disorder, although I don't know how authoritative a book it is. It's far less common in men, and according to that biography it tends to be a control issue rather than a body-image one.

sommone 01-22-2005 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Elspeth
I think men do have eating disorders; the Duchess of Kent's biography refers to Lord Nicholas Windsor having some sort of eating disorder, although I don't know how authoritative a book it is. It's far less common in men, and according to that biography it tends to be a control issue rather than a body-image one.


It seems though that your self-esteem would play apart...I mean your perception of your body. I can understand where the control issues come in though. I have never heard of a man having an eating disorder, but I suppose anything is possible then.

maryshawn 01-22-2005 01:04 AM

I stand corrected. Yes, some men DO suffer from eating disorders but, so far, there are no signs of such in either William or Harry. A lot does have to do with esteem and body image and both boys seem more like Charles in that regard--fit, energetic, strong. I do want to agree that one of Diana's failings, if you will, as a mother is using her sons as her "counsellors" throughout her marriage and afterwards. She said she always told them "Mommy loves you best," which is nice but is a real stab at Charles, their father. I am divorced but would never say "who loves you best?" and make my daughter choose or say I love her more than her father. I also didn't like hearing she would never have married Dodi without talking it over with William. Of course, the little boy who stuffed tissues under the bathroom door to his weeping mother would say "whatever makes you happy, mama." It was her personal life; she should never have brought them into it by asking them what she should do. Puts too much weight on a youngster's shoulders in my view.

cute_girl 01-24-2005 07:21 AM

poor William and Harry...

anyway in her biograhpy I read that several times she tried to kill herself even when she was pregnant and she usually cut her self with a knife,are these symptoms relate to bulimia?or she had other illnesses like deep depression?

maryshawn 01-28-2005 04:37 PM

Princess Diana's Illnesses
 
There are so many books, articles and videos to use as sources for this one but the book on Diana by Anne Edwards and the one by Sally Bedell Smith are good ones. The videos "Diana: In Search of Happiness" and her own Panorama interview provide the information cited below.

All explore Diana's illnesses and "mental instability." The Smith book goes so far to say Diana was a "borderline" personality or showed classic symptoms of it. She did not ever--by all accounts--"seriously" try to kill herself--the time she threw herself down the stairs while pregnant with William has been reported a few different ways with Diana changing her story from she meant to hurt herself to "I would never do anything to put my baby in jeopardy." She did injure herself using what is called "self-mutilation," where she used knives or razors to cause cuts and marks on her arms and legs. This went on during the early years of the marriage but decreased as time went on. This is not an attempt to kill oneself but rather a cry for attention. Her sister, in the Smith book, noticed. Charles knew about it, according to Diana--in the "Panorama" tape. A lot of Diana's problems--and I am not a psychiatrist nor are those who wrote the books about it--seem to stem from anxiety and depression (post partum and regular, if there is such a thing, depression). Depression is "anger turned inward" and certainly whatever was going on with Charles and Camilla or simply Charles being a bachelor for so long and used to doing what he wanted when he wanted, caused someone like Diana who craved love and attention a lot of irritation, which Charles did not want to hear and subsequently led to depression. She was very young, shy and not worldly when she married and suddenly having to speak in public was a big transition. That and simply trying to be accepted into the royal family led to a lot of anxiety. The bulimia has been attributed to everything from Charles squeezing her waist and saying "my, we're a bit chubby here" to her own fascination with her public image and fashion and wanting to be slim to look her best.

I was reading Paul Burrell's book last night. I think it boils down to this. Diana had a difficult childhood and wanted and needed a great deal of affection, approval and attention. The Royal Family takes its lead, in large part, from the Queen and Prince Phillip, who showed Diana a lot of kindness but tempered it by not wanting to be intrusive. Burrell describes a very good relationship between the Queen and Diana early on--whereby Diana might be alone at night and ask if the Queen was dining in. Whenever she was, the Queen would always ask Diana to join her. But the Queen does not hug and kiss and cuddle as effusively as Diana likely needed--so Diana would often interpret a pleasant dinner as another "cold" encounter. Its a matter of expectations and the difference in the way Charles, the Queen and others in the Royal Family simply could not live upto Diana's expectations. Quite frankly, I'm not sure--and I like Diana very much--anyone could. The attraction to Dodi was based in large part on the fact he had the time to devote to her and was, like Diana, an individual who craved expressions of love (his mother died when he was quite young and his father tended to give him money but not a whole lot of time). So, what you have is a cocktail for problems as Diana's neediness could only be sufficiently addressed when and if people would drop everything for her and give her unstinting attention--and, as one of her friend's pointed out in "Diana: In Search of Happiness," few are able to give that kind of love non-stop. A story in the Smith book regarding Oliver Hoare is telling. He was separated and gave Diana a great deal of attention. Then, one day, his young daughter was ill and he had to cancel a get-together with Diana. She flew off the deep-end and--to make a long story short--he became so worried, he was forced to ignore his daughter in order to search for Diana. He found her crying in Kensington Park on a bench--convinced his need to see his daughter meant she no longer mattered. So, she was a difficult person to befriend or be involved with. And that is a shame. Another close friend, Lord Peter Palumbo, said the simple fact she was "royal" meant you couldn't just drop in on her and led to an isolating existence--as she would be on public duties, surrounded by loving people who needed her then ended the day eating alone off a tray in her sitting room.

What ifs are easy....would her life have been more satisfying if she had not been a royal? Yes and no. She did love the attention and helping others and other "royal perks." But it also isolated her and led to complications within her marriage and personal life. One thing is for sure--there are no easy answers when it comes to Diana's life. And what may have happened to give her joy will never be known. I think that's what keeps her "alive" for so many of us as she is a puzzle and, in the end, we will never have the answers. In the end, even she didn't.....or so it seems.

Sorry for the long diatribe but it is a complicated issue. I do not believe she would ever have killed herself, however.

Elspeth 01-28-2005 04:57 PM

She sounds like exactly the wrong person for Charles. They were both wrapped up in their own needs and seemed to just view the other in terms of what they could do to fulfill the practical needs while still both being emotionally needy in ways the other couldn't do anything to help.

It's so ironic that this highly suitable aristocratic virgin was in many ways as unsuitable as you could get. It reminded me of what the Countess of Strathmore said about George VI when he was still Duke of York and had been courting her daughter Elizabeth, who turned him down the first time he proposed: that he was the sort of man who would be made or marred by his wife. That marriage was highly successful, but Prince Charles - who seems to much the same temperament as his grandfather -was marred, not made, by his marriage. (not trying to say that it was all Diana's fault, however; there's plenty of blame to go around all three of the people in that triangle as well as some others)

Tzu An 06-02-2005 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maryshawn
There are so many books, articles and videos to use as sources for this one but the book on Diana by Anne Edwards and the one by Sally Bedell Smith are good ones. The videos "Diana: In Search of Happiness" and her own Panorama interview provide the information cited below.

All explore Diana's illnesses and "mental instability." The Smith book goes so far to say Diana was a "borderline" personality or showed classic symptoms of it. She did not ever--by all accounts--"seriously" try to kill herself--the time she threw herself down the stairs while pregnant with William has been reported a few different ways with Diana changing her story from she meant to hurt herself to "I would never do anything to put my baby in jeopardy." She did injure herself using what is called "self-mutilation," where she used knives or razors to cause cuts and marks on her arms and legs. This went on during the early years of the marriage but decreased as time went on. This is not an attempt to kill oneself but rather a cry for attention. Her sister, in the Smith book, noticed. Charles knew about it, according to Diana--in the "Panorama" tape. A lot of Diana's problems--and I am not a psychiatrist nor are those who wrote the books about it--seem to stem from anxiety and depression (post partum and regular, if there is such a thing, depression). Depression is "anger turned inward" and certainly whatever was going on with Charles and Camilla or simply Charles being a bachelor for so long and used to doing what he wanted when he wanted, caused someone like Diana who craved love and attention a lot of irritation, which Charles did not want to hear and subsequently led to depression. She was very young, shy and not worldly when she married and suddenly having to speak in public was a big transition. That and simply trying to be accepted into the royal family led to a lot of anxiety. The bulimia has been attributed to everything from Charles squeezing her waist and saying "my, we're a bit chubby here" to her own fascination with her public image and fashion and wanting to be slim to look her best.

I was reading Paul Burrell's book last night. I think it boils down to this. Diana had a difficult childhood and wanted and needed a great deal of affection, approval and attention. The Royal Family takes its lead, in large part, from the Queen and Prince Phillip, who showed Diana a lot of kindness but tempered it by not wanting to be intrusive. Burrell describes a very good relationship between the Queen and Diana early on--whereby Diana might be alone at night and ask if the Queen was dining in. Whenever she was, the Queen would always ask Diana to join her. But the Queen does not hug and kiss and cuddle as effusively as Diana likely needed--so Diana would often interpret a pleasant dinner as another "cold" encounter. Its a matter of expectations and the difference in the way Charles, the Queen and others in the Royal Family simply could not live upto Diana's expectations. Quite frankly, I'm not sure--and I like Diana very much--anyone could. The attraction to Dodi was based in large part on the fact he had the time to devote to her and was, like Diana, an individual who craved expressions of love (his mother died when he was quite young and his father tended to give him money but not a whole lot of time). So, what you have is a cocktail for problems as Diana's neediness could only be sufficiently addressed when and if people would drop everything for her and give her unstinting attention--and, as one of her friend's pointed out in "Diana: In Search of Happiness," few are able to give that kind of love non-stop. A story in the Smith book regarding Oliver Hoare is telling. He was separated and gave Diana a great deal of attention. Then, one day, his young daughter was ill and he had to cancel a get-together with Diana. She flew off the deep-end and--to make a long story short--he became so worried, he was forced to ignore his daughter in order to search for Diana. He found her crying in Kensington Park on a bench--convinced his need to see his daughter meant she no longer mattered. So, she was a difficult person to befriend or be involved with. And that is a shame. Another close friend, Lord Peter Palumbo, said the simple fact she was "royal" meant you couldn't just drop in on her and led to an isolating existence--as she would be on public duties, surrounded by loving people who needed her then ended the day eating alone off a tray in her sitting room.

What ifs are easy....would her life have been more satisfying if she had not been a royal? Yes and no. She did love the attention and helping others and other "royal perks." But it also isolated her and led to complications within her marriage and personal life. One thing is for sure--there are no easy answers when it comes to Diana's life. And what may have happened to give her joy will never be known. I think that's what keeps her "alive" for so many of us as she is a puzzle and, in the end, we will never have the answers. In the end, even she didn't.....or so it seems.

Sorry for the long diatribe but it is a complicated issue. I do not believe she would ever have killed herself, however.

Charles had a full life and still does as Prince of Wales. He still had a job to do, but Diana wanted all of his attention and time. She really didn't know how to make a positive adjustment to the situations that life dealt her when it came to the royal routine. She wanted all of anyone and would accept no less or would feel rejected. When the royals tried to get help for her (and I believe they did) Diana did not cooperate. People who are sick mentally or in any other way need to admit they need help. When Prince Charles would go off for lunch with his mother or out to the opera (even when Diana refused to go) Diana took it as abandoning her. It would have been the same problems if she had married a wealthy businessman or a CEO. She would have been unable to cope without excessive attention.

She furthermore betrayed and hurt a lot of people either through her illness or simple nastiness. She went from being the friend of the Duchess of York to rival, even going so far as to deliberately leak the separation and then pretending to be planning to leave her husband at the same time. Then backing out and letting Fergie get fried while safely watching from Kensington Palace.


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