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Solange 12-05-2004 03:23 PM

Protocol
 
When a princess meets a queen she bows, but what happens when a princess and a grand duchess meet or a queen and a grand duchess?

suturegeisha 12-05-2004 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Solange
When a princess meets a queen she bows, but what happens when a princess and a grand duchess meet or a queen and a grand duchess?

I do believe.....
since Luxembourg is a grand duchy, and the only one in the world, that means that the Grand Duke and Grand Duchess are heads of state, and thus entitled to the same bows and curtseys received by kings, queens, emperors, and empresses. Heads of state do not bow or curtsy to each other, so if for instance, Grand Duchess Maria-Teresa were to meet Empress Michiko of Japan or Queen Elizabeth of Great Britain, she would not curtsy, nor would Grand Duke Henri bow.
Princesses and princes bow and curtsy to heads of state because they are of a lesser rank.
Lollies!
-Kara-

gaggleofcrazypeople 12-05-2004 05:22 PM

But anyone below them must bow or curtsey.

KatieLouise 12-06-2004 12:56 AM

I think I remember someone mentioning before that they saw the Infantas Elena and Cristina curtsey to GD Henri and GD Maria Teresa. It seems to me that the Grand Duke and Grand Duchess would be treated with the same deference as any other monarch.

hillary_nugent 12-06-2004 06:06 AM

How did a 'Grand Duchy' come about?

gaggleofcrazypeople 12-06-2004 05:21 PM

Beats me. There used to be alot of small monarchies, but they have all disapeared and formed larger dresses.

hillary_nugent 12-06-2004 08:56 PM

i think there is still alot of small monarchies that no one knows of, before i became interested in Royals i thought the only 'big' royals was the British Royal family but i have since learnt that there seems to be alot of people out there that claim to be a prince of princess...

gaggleofcrazypeople 12-06-2004 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hillary_nugent
i think there is still alot of small monarchies that no one knows of, before i became interested in Royals i thought the only 'big' royals was the British Royal family but i have since learnt that there seems to be alot of people out there that claim to be a prince of princess...

Yes, but many of them don't have a claim to a throne.

KatieLouise 12-07-2004 09:04 PM

Luxembourg was elevated to the status of Grand Duchy when it became a possession of the newly independent Kingdom of the Netherlands under the rule of King Willem I. (This happened in 1815 after the defeat of Napoleon and the withdrawal of French rule - type "Congress of Vienna" and "History of Luxembourg/Netherlands" into your nearest search engine for more info!)
A Grand Duke is technically lower in rank than a King - although he is higher in rank than a plain old sovereign Duke. But I would think that these days, the Grand Duke is afforded the same respect in his country as other monarch.
Just a thought, why are the Grand Ducal family styled 'Royal Highness' unlike members of other (former) Grand Ducal families who are styled 'Grand Ducal Highness'? It has something to do with Felix of Bourbon-Parma (Henri's Grandfather), right?

suturegeisha 12-08-2004 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by KatieLouise
Just a thought, why are the Grand Ducal family styled 'Royal Highness' unlike members of other (former) Grand Ducal families who are styled 'Grand Ducal Highness'? It has something to do with Felix of Bourbon-Parma (Henri's Grandfather), right?

Yes. When Grand Duchess Charlotte was young, her title was HGDH [Her Grand Ducal Highness] Princess Charlotte. Since Charlotte married Felix of Bourbon de Parma, and it is tradition that a wife takes her husband's title, I'm assuming that she was given the style of HRH for that reason.
The family is also Prince/Princess of Bourbon de Parma.
Lollies!
-Kara-

bad_barbarella 12-08-2004 04:04 PM

so anyway if we ever meet the royals we curtsy right?

semisquare 12-08-2004 04:27 PM

so lets say u dont cursy or speak before spoken to or even put your hand out 1st to shake a royal hand, would they snub you or would they just play along?

gaggleofcrazypeople 12-08-2004 05:12 PM

And the whole not curtseying thing, if the royals were from Luxembourg, considering how normal they are, they would probably be chill about it. But if it were someone like Queen Elizabeth of England, I believe they would get rather annoyed.

suturegeisha 12-08-2004 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by semisquare
so lets say u dont cursy or speak before spoken to or even put your hand out 1st to shake a royal hand, would they snub you or would they just play along?

Since you're from the US, I'm sure they would forgive you. ;]
In any case, I don't think that any member of the GD family would be offended. They seem pretty lax about these kinds of things- modern and forthright monarchs.
Lollies!
-Kara-

Iain 12-09-2004 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by semisquare
so lets say u dont cursy or speak before spoken to or even put your hand out 1st to shake a royal hand, would they snub you or would they just play along?

That only applies in the (so called) United Kingdom where the Windsors like to believe that they are superior to other royals. Other royal families are far more down to earth and bowing and curtying has almost disappeared.

hillary_nugent 12-09-2004 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by semisquare
so lets say u dont cursy or speak before spoken to or even put your hand out 1st to shake a royal hand, would they snub you or would they just play along?

you mean you can't put your out first for a hand shake? bugger...i have this tendency to stick my hand out straight away when meeting a person and giving their hand a hard, thorough shake...well we'be got to curtsy to queens and kings how about princes and princesses do we curtsy to them? is there a different wow of curstying depending on their royal status? do we have to curtsy to all royals?

Solange 12-11-2004 11:29 AM

How come the presidents of the USA don't bow nor their wives curtsey to a royal??

suturegeisha 12-11-2004 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Solange
How come the presidents of the USA don't bow nor their wives curtsey to a royal??

Because they're heads of state. Heads of state do not bow or curtsey to anyone because they're of similar rank to a king or a queen.
Lollies!
-Kara-

gaggleofcrazypeople 12-11-2004 10:53 PM

George W. Bush or Tony Blair...King? Throw up on myself!

hillary_nugent 12-12-2004 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by suturegeisha
Because they're heads of state. Heads of state do not bow or curtsey to anyone because they're of similar rank to a king or a queen.
Lollies!
-Kara-

You are joking right??? Geroge Bush similar to a king? yeah right...:eek:


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