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Kingen 12-08-2016 04:08 PM

State Visit from Argentina to The Netherlands: March 27-28, 2017
 
President Mauricio Macri of the Argentine Republic, will accompanied by his wife Juliana Awada, pay a state visit to The Netherlands in the last week of March 2017.

https://www.royal-house.nl/latest/ne...ntine-republic

lucien 12-09-2016 06:27 AM

State Visit from Argentina,March 2017
 
HE President Mauricio Macri of Argentina,accompanied by his wife Mrs. Juliana Awada,will pay a State Visit to The Netherlands in the last week of March 2017.Exact dates follow later.

Duc_et_Pair 12-09-2016 08:17 AM

Great. That will be a nice white-tie affair again in the Royal Palace Amsterdam. I hope the King will speak some words in Spanish at his table speech. Would be nice.

carlota 02-14-2017 06:37 PM

i wonder what maxima thinks about the rather deplorable administration of her country by the current president macri... (not that the previous presidents have been much better, so i guess this is an endless topic of discussion)

being the professional queen she is, we will never know but i hope she takes advantage of the private moments of the state visit to discuss the matter.

Princess Larisa 03-03-2017 03:44 PM

Has the date been announced? It’s March 3rd already.

Al_bina 03-03-2017 06:24 PM

Hopefully Mrs Awada will choose a better wardrobe for this visit. I am looking forward to seeing Queen Maxima's magnificent jewels and gala dresses by Jan Taminiau.

ashelen 03-05-2017 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlota (Post 1961350)
i wonder what maxima thinks about the rather deplorable administration of her country by the current president macri... (not that the previous presidents have been much better, so i guess this is an endless topic of discussion)

being the professional queen she is, we will never know but i hope she takes advantage of the private moments of the state visit to discuss the matter.

How do you know about his deplorable administration? I think deplorable was the previous president. and actually Maxima's father wasn't he working in the government in the worst time of Argentina? Military dictatorship?

Countessmeout 03-05-2017 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashelen (Post 1965300)
How do you know about his deplorable administration? I think deplorable was the previous president. and actually Maxima's father wasn't he working in the government in the worst time of Argentina? Military dictatorship?

Yes, Jorge was minister of agriculture under general Videlia. He stepped down in. 1981, around the time Videlia handed over power to another general. When Argentina lost the Falklahds, the dictatorship ended and most of the ministers faced criminal charges. Jorge though had resigned a year earlier and claimed to know nothing of the dirty war. He escaped charges.

But while never tried, it prevented him from attending his daughter's wedding or the innaugeration. He did attend the baptism of his granddaughters, as they were private events.

ashelen 03-05-2017 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Countessmeout (Post 1965303)
Yes, Jorge was minister of agriculture under general Videlia. He stepped down in. 1981, around the time Videlia handed over power to another general. When Argentina lost the Falklahds, the dictatorship ended and most of the ministers faced criminal charges. Jorge though had resigned a year earlier and claimed to know nothing of the dirty war. He escaped charges.

But while never tried, it prevented him from attending his daughter's wedding or the innaugeration. He did attend the baptism of his granddaughters, as they were private events.

Thank you Countsesmeout, I know that, my point is that Carlota mention about the terrible doing of President Macri, How Maxima thinks about his wrong doing.....etc.... I do not think is fear to criticize him when it was far more worst presidents and governments times in Argentina, including Maxima's father being in one of the most terrible times in Argentina. I think the guy is doing a good job not to forget they gave him the country in ruins, which is difficult to bring it back in just a year.

Al_bina 03-05-2017 12:16 PM

Veering off the topic ...
 
:previous:
President Macri was mentioned in the Panama Papers. Eventually, a political newcomer will be himself/herself tarred with corruption charges later. It is a usual cycle.

carlota 03-05-2017 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashelen (Post 1965300)
How do you know about his deplorable administration? I think deplorable was the previous president. and actually Maxima's father wasn't he working in the government in the worst time of Argentina? Military dictatorship?

Quote:

I do not think is fear to criticize him when it was far more worst presidents and governments times in Argentina, including Maxima's father being in one of the most terrible times in Argentina.
chill out. none of the governments in recent history of argentina have been good, and this current one adds to a long list of bad administrations. it just so happens that it is the first time since maxima has been a dutch royal (and in fact since at least 30 years) that an argentinian president visits the netherlands in a state visit - which is the topic that concerns us in this thread. discussing the whole history of argentinian administrations is not the topic of this thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al_bina (Post 1965379)
:previous:
President Macri was mentioned in the Panama Papers. Eventually, a political newcomer will be himself/herself tarred with corruption charges later. It is a usual cycle.

you got it totally right. adding to that, his administration has been rather poor thus far. sure thing though, past administrations have not been much better for the country. the cycle repeats, as you say.

Marika86 03-14-2017 11:50 AM

Offiaicl program from koninklijkhuis.nl

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State visit by President of Argentina - program
News item | 14-03-2017 | 14:58

President Mauricio Macri of the Argentine Republic will pay a state visit to the Netherlands on Monday 27 and Tuesday 28 March 2017. He will be accompanied by his wife, Juliana Awada (see Government Information Service press release no. 270).

The Netherlands and Argentina work closely together on numerous international political issues and act in concert on multilateral themes such as the promotion of the international legal order and sustainable economic development. Argentina has the world's 21st-largest economy. The Netherlands is one of the country's principal investors and is a key trading partner. Argentina is a G20 member and will chair the forum in 2018. Its recently reaffirmed international orientation is creating opportunities for mutual trade and investment, especially in water management, agriculture and logistics. Partnership agreements between Dutch and Argentinian companies and institutions will be signed during President Macri's visit. Sport and social dialogue will also be themes of the president's time in the Netherlands.

Argentinian foreign minister Susana Malcorra, other members of the Argentinian government and representatives of the country's business communities will accompany President Macri. Members of the Dutch government will take part in various parts of the state visit.

Monday 27 March
King Willem-Alexander and Queen Máxima will officially welcome President Macri and his wife on Dam Square in Amsterdam. After the inspection of the guard of honour, a reception will take place in the Royal Palace in Amsterdam with Dutch authorities and Argentinian dignitaries taking part in the visit. After the reception President Macri will lay a wreath at the National Monument on Dam Square.

He will then visit the Anne Frank House, which works with Argentina's Centro Ana Frank in Buenos Aires to help educate young people about combating discrimination and violence.

On Monday afternoon President Macri and Ms Awada will join King Willem-Alexander and Queen Máxima in attending part of the Business Forum, which will be held that day in the Beurs van Berlage in Amsterdam. Dutch and Argentinian Business Forum participants from the public and private sectors will be discussing ways of promoting economic cooperation. There will for example be various panel discussions on agriculture, water management, logistics and energy, as well as a meeting focusing on social dialogue, good governance and the Dutch 'polder model'. President Macri, Ms Awada and Their Majesties will take part in a roundtable meeting of CEOs.

Late Monday afternoon an event in the Beurs van Berlage will be devoted to the positive social effects of sport. The Dutch national hockey and football associations will show how their two sports can contribute to teamwork, knowledge exchange and social development. At a clinic for young Argentinian and Dutch hockey players, trainers will give demonstrations and the Johan Cruyff Foundation and One Million Hockey Legs will make a presentation of their activities for President Macri.

The visit's first day will end with a state banquet in the Royal Palace in Amsterdam.

Tuesday 28 March
The second day of the state visit will begin with calls by President Macri on the International Criminal Court (ICC) and the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) in The Hague. President Macri will then have talks with the Presidents of the Senate and House of Representatives of the States General. Following those talks, Prime Minister Mark Rutte will meet with the president.

Meanwhile that morning, Queen Máxima and Ms Awada will be visiting the Mauritshuis museum in The Hague. They will be given a guided tour of Dutch masters of the 17th-century Golden Age, including works by Vermeer, Rembrandt and Paulus Potter.

King Willem-Alexander, Queen Máxima and Ms Awada will then join Prime Minister Rutte and President Macri for lunch in the Trêves Hall at the Binnenhof, with social dialogue as the theme of the lunch.

Tuesday afternoon President Macri and his wife and Queen Máxima will visit the Port of Rotterdam. Rotterdam Mayor Ahmed Aboutaleb will welcome them to Berghaven port in Rotterdam's Hook of Holland district. During a boat trip through the Port of Rotterdam, experts and representatives of the business community will describe the various terminals and explain the new integrated logistics solutions provided by the port's Maasvlakte terminals.

The state visit will end with a ballet performance presented by President Macri at Theatre Diligentia in The Hague.

Hannelore 03-14-2017 12:29 PM

I predict Maxima will go bonkers combining all the bling she has :lol:

eya 03-25-2017 02:26 PM

"Macri arrived in Netherland a received a gesture out of protocol:The Kings take him to their residence. The President will spend the weekend with his wife in the Villa Eikenhorst, where the Kings live. Its official agenda begins on Monday."


Macri llegó a Holanda y recibió un gesto fuera de protocolo: los reyes lo alojan en su residencia

https://translate.googleusercontent....OleL-Ru4bbrqrg

Mbruno 03-25-2017 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eya (Post 1970979)
"Macri arrived in Netherland a received a gesture out of protocol:The Kings take him to their residence. The President will spend the weekend with his wife in the Villa Eikenhorst, where the Kings live. Its official agenda begins on Monday."


Macri llegó a Holanda y recibió un gesto fuera de protocolo: los reyes lo alojan en su residencia

https://translate.googleusercontent....OleL-Ru4bbrqrg

That is very unusual, especially considering it was not part of the official program (the article says the president had a reservation at a local hotel for the weekend).

I wonder if Máxima and Willem-Alexander discussed that unexpected invitation with the Dutch government.

Duc_et_Pair 03-26-2017 03:54 AM

I think "spending the weekend" must not be interpreted as "sleeping at". The private villa of the King, bought when he was a Prince, is not that big enough to house the president, his company, staff, security et al.

Front view: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...5bc66b0e43.jpg

Aerial view: http://www.hola.com/imagenes/realeza...03-07-15-a.jpg

Catherine in the salon: http://www.hellomagazine.com/imagene...holland2-a.jpg

Mbruno 03-26-2017 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 1971122)
I think "spending the weekend" must not be interpreted as "sleeping at". The private villa of the King, bought when he was a Prince, is not that big enough to house the president, his company, staff, security et al.

Front view: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...5bc66b0e43.jpg

Aerial view: http://www.hola.com/imagenes/realeza...03-07-15-a.jpg

Catherine in the salon: http://www.hellomagazine.com/imagene...holland2-a.jpg

My understanding is that only the president and the first lady will stay at the Villla while his staff and company will stay at the hotel where the Argentinians already had reservations. On Monday, the president and his wife will move to the Royal Palace of Amsterdam where they will stay as official guests.

Again, it is highly unusual, but the Clarín article says Willem-Alexander and Máxima are personal friends of president Macri and that they often meet privately in Patagonia.

An Ard Ri 03-26-2017 07:22 AM

Out of curiosity where are Foreign Heads of state housed during State Visits in the Netherlands?

Mbruno 03-26-2017 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 1971160)
Out of curiosity where are Foreign Heads of state housed during State Visits in the Netherlands?


Staying at the Dam Palace during the visit is part of the protocol. The unusual part is that the official visit doesn't begin until Monday and the Argentinian presidential couple, who arrived early on Saturday, was expected to stay at a local hotel over the weekend. Macri himself apparently was not informed of the King's invitation to have him as a private guest at Villa Eikenhorst until the last minute. Again, I wonder if the KIng consulted the Dutch government first

eya 03-26-2017 07:59 AM

"President Mauricio Macri Argentina and his wife Juliana Awada are Saturday arrived at Schiphol. They were there on behalf of King Willem-Alexander welcomed by all Dorhout ceremonies. Macri Monday begins a state visit to the Netherlands, the first by an Argentine president."

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/nieuwsber...nederland.html

https://translate.googleusercontent....r0bJhuPqh0We9g

An Ard Ri 03-26-2017 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 1971163)
Staying at the Dam Palace during the visit is part of the protocol. The unusual part is that the official visit doesn't begin until Monday and the Argentinian presidential couple, who arrived early on Saturday, was expected to stay at a local hotel over the weekend. Macri himself apparently was not informed of the King's invitation to have him as a private guest at Villa Eikenhorst until the last minute. Again, I wonder if the KIng consulted the Dutch government first

Thanks,The Dam Palace would be very noisy place to stay but its about as central as you can get in Amsterdam!

Duc_et_Pair 03-26-2017 08:30 AM

The article by GPD press services read that the president was welcomed, on behalf of the King, by Mr Alle Dorhout LL.M., Master of the Ceremonies.

There were rumours in Argentinean media that the President and his partner stayed at the private villa of the King but in The Hague this is denied. As usual, transportation, security, communication, logistics and other facilities are provided by the Royal House Services and/or the Government.

Tomorrow King Willem-Alexander and Queen Máxima will meet the Argentinean guest during the official welcome ceremony at Dam Square in Amsterdam.

Duc_et_Pair 03-26-2017 08:45 AM

The Royal Palace Amsterdam has 12 guest suites (usually with a salon, an antichambre, a bedchamber and a bathroom). Besides this on the highest floor there are some 40 guestrooms. A few years ago the palace has undergone an extensive restoration. The quality of the guest suites is now on par with the best hotels in the city.

This is a salon of such a guest suite: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SCMs_ocfSfg/maxresdefault.jpg

This is the bedchamber near this salon in the same guest suite:
http://www.interieur-inrichting.nl/w...op-de-Dam1.jpg

This is a salon of another guest suite, in another colour:
https://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/.../121022940.jpg

This guest suite has an own meeting/diner chamber:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...f9f2f7ce23.jpg

With other words: guests at the Royal Palace Amsterdam have the best luxury one can wish for.

;-)

bigdad 03-26-2017 03:03 PM

this president visiting this wonderful country was implicated with corruption and the last dictators of argentina. Now he's in a ind of negationism of all this horrible crimes. But royalty is receiving him in the palace.

Duc_et_Pair 03-26-2017 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdad (Post 1971230)
this president visiting this wonderful country was implicated with corruption and the last dictators of argentina. Now he's in a ind of negationism of all this horrible crimes. But royalty is receiving him in the palace.

Sr Macri is the democratically elected head of state of Argentina. That is more than we can say about his Dutch host, for an example. Queen Beatrix has made a State Visit to the previous two presidents (Sr and Sra Kirchner) from another political party, equally embroiled in accusations of corruptism, nepotism and fraud.

When France elects M Fillon or Mme Le Pen, both have a record with dicutable actions, nevertheless the red carpet will be rolled out anyway. That is life. If Argentineans are fed up with Sr Macri, they should vote him away.

eya 03-26-2017 05:37 PM

"President Mauricio Macri and his wife Juliana Awada are already arrive at the Royal Palace Dam to begin their state visit to Holland after spending the private weekend invited by King Willem Alexander and Queen Maxima. Under the Dutch spring, it was expected that the Argentine head of state and the first lady would arrive at the Royal Palace by bicycle, the most popular means of transport in the country that welcomed them. The temperature and concern for security after the bombing in London forced a change of program in Dam Square, the square in front of which is the imposing palace that houses the heads of state visiting the Netherlands."

http://images.clarin.com/2017/03/26/...2e_930x525.jpg
http://images.clarin.com/2017/03/26/ByAcZdH2e_720x0.jpg

Mauricio Macri cambió su protocolo para llegar a un palacio en Amsterdam

https://translate.googleusercontent....GyBv1S-1SEKK6g

Duc_et_Pair 03-27-2017 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eya (Post 1971271)
"President Mauricio Macri and his wife Juliana Awada are already arrive at the Royal Palace Dam to begin their state visit to Holland after spending the private weekend invited by King Willem Alexander and Queen Maxima. Under the Dutch spring, it was expected that the Argentine head of state and the first lady would arrive at the Royal Palace by bicycle, the most popular means of transport in the country that welcomed them. The temperature and concern for security after the bombing in London forced a change of program in Dam Square, the square in front of which is the imposing palace that houses the heads of state visiting the Netherlands."

http://images.clarin.com/2017/03/26/...2e_930x525.jpg
http://images.clarin.com/2017/03/26/ByAcZdH2e_720x0.jpg

Mauricio Macri cambió su protocolo para llegar a un palacio en Amsterdam

https://translate.googleusercontent....GyBv1S-1SEKK6g

I have never ever read such nonsense. The President and his spouse were expected to arrive by bicycle? The fantasy in Argentinean media has no limits!

:eek:

lucien 03-27-2017 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 1971352)
I have never ever read such nonsense. The President and his spouse were expected to arrive by bicycle? The fantasy in Argentinean media has no limits!

:eek:

Indeed,it's all bullocks by Argentinian trash press.

Anyway,we're awaiting the first pics by the usual suspects at the Dam Square!!

...:)


http://www.anpfoto.nl/search.pp?eventid=2015736

Courtesy Sander Koning...hmm...coincidence...haha..

eya 03-27-2017 05:22 AM

First pictures of Welcome Ceremony

http://www.belgaimage.be/#/gallery/5752264

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C76QcODX0AM8Ovi.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C76QcODX0AEa6uM.jpg

Duc_et_Pair 03-27-2017 05:30 AM

What a sunny day at Dam Square and how nice that the parade commander is a female officer.

iceflower 03-27-2017 06:36 AM

.

Here are more pics of day 1:



** rd.nl gallery ** ppe gallery **


** robinutrecht.photoshelter gallery **


** dpp gallery: State visit from Argentina day 1 **


** gettyimages gallery ** anp gallery 1 ** anp gallery 2 **


** dailymail: Spring chic! Queen Maxima looks elegant in a floral skirt as she joins her husband to welcome..**



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIBWwXmVJVg

Duc_et_Pair 03-27-2017 06:54 AM

Wonderful images of a sunny Dam Square. It seems that at one side there were demonstrators yelling against President Macri and at the other side of the place there were others yelling pro President Macri, both sides trying to over-voice each other.

In the meantime nor the presidential couple neither the King and Queen showed any reaction to the protests but concentrated on the ceremonial.

An Ard Ri 03-27-2017 07:31 AM

Are the welcoming Ceremonies normally held in Dam Square?

Duc_et_Pair 03-27-2017 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 1971382)
Are the welcoming Ceremonies normally held in Dam Square?

Under King Willem-Alexander: yes. Under Queen Beatrix it was for a long period at the back cour of Noordeinde Palace because the palace in Amsterdam was in restoration.

Dam Square (King of the Belgians)

Noordeinde Palace (President Italy)

An Ard Ri 03-27-2017 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 1971388)
Under King Willem-Alexander: yes. Under Queen Beatrix it was for a long period at the back cour of Noordeinde Palace because the palace in Amsterdam was in restoration.

Dam Square (King of the Belgians)

Noordeinde Palace (President Italy)

Thank you,yes I'm still in Queen Beatrix mode when it comes to State visit ;)

Duc_et_Pair 03-27-2017 10:08 AM

According the newspaper De Volkskrant the President and his partner were guests of the royal couple at Het Loo Castle, the mediaeval hunting lodge of the royal family: picture. So they did not stay at the private villa of the King, as Argentinean media reported.

The newspaper De Volkskrant also claims that the Macri and Zorreguieta families know each other well, both frequent in the same Buenos Aires circles of "us knows us". Besides that, both families have a holiday lodge in Villa La Angostura and know each other from holidays as well.

Al_bina 03-27-2017 11:08 AM

Thanks for the photos!
Mrs Awada was chic. Queen Maxima's ensemble was disappointing. A wide-brimmed hat would have been a much better choice.

Mbruno 03-27-2017 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 1971420)
According the newspaper De Volkskrant the President and his partner were guests of the royal couple at Het Loo Castle, the mediaeval hunting lodge of the royal family: picture. So they did not stay at the private villa of the King, as Argentinean media reported.

The newspaper De Volkskrant also claims that the Macri and Zorreguieta families know each other well, both frequent in the same Buenos Aires circles of "us knows us". Besides that, both families have a holiday lodge in Villa La Angostura and know each other from holidays as well.

That is interesting. Het Loo Castle is not currently available to the Dutch royal family as a residence and I am not even sure it is habitable. The King could not invite Macri and his wife to stay there without consulting the Dutch government.

The Argentinian press (the normally reliable Clarín, which does not qualify as "trash press") still maintains that the president stayed at Villa Eikenhorst over the weekend and moved to the Royal Palace of Amsterdam on Sunday.

Either way, it is highly irregular that the Macris were private guests of the King and Queen before the official state visit began. Their private friendship notwithstanding, that shows to me: (1) how much Willem-Alexander is influenced by Máxima, and (2) how Máxima still likes to meddle into the internal affairs of her home country, whose citizenship she never renounced (she claims it is legally impossible to do so).

Alisa 03-27-2017 11:25 AM

Thanks for all the photos.
I cannot but help to compare the difference in interaction between Juliana Awada and Queen Máxima and Juliana Awada sns Queen Letizia. I was delightfully surprised by how well Juliana and Queen Letizia got along and how affectionate they were. I thought for sure that there would be even MORE of that given that it is Queen Máxima's home country and she reportedly knows the couple well. However it appears to be the opposite.

EmmaNL 03-27-2017 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 1971427)

Either way, it is highly irregular that the Macris were private guests of the King and Queen before the official state visit began. Their private friendship notwithstanding, that shows to me: (1) how much Willem-Alexander is influenced by Máxima, and (2) how Máxima still likes to meddle into the internal affairs of her home country, whose citizenship she never renounced (she claims it is legally impossible to do so).

For guests coming from far away countries, it is not very rare that they arrive before the actual start of the visit to get over their jetlag. Foreign royal visitors stay with the King and Queen very often when they visit the Netherlands. They often stay at the Royal Palace in Amsterdam, although both Villa Eikenhorst and the new palace for the King and Queen (Huis ten Bosch) have a guest wing.

In fact: it really is legally impossible to renounce your Argentinan citizenship. So Her Majesty is very right on that. In fact, her daughters can choose to get an Argentinan citizenship too when they reach the age of 18. There are more countries in the world where it is impossible to renounce your citizenship.

carlota 03-27-2017 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 1971427)
That is interesting. Het Loo Castle is not currently available to the Dutch royal family as a residence and I am not even sure it is habitable. The King could not invite Macri and his wife to stay there without consulting the Dutch government.

The Argentinian press (the normally reliable Clarín, which does not qualify as "trash press") still maintains that the president stayed at Villa Eikenhorst over the weekend and moved to the Royal Palace of Amsterdam on Sunday.

Either way, it is highly irregular that the Macris were private guests of the King and Queen before the official state visit began. Their private friendship notwithstanding, that shows to me: (1) how much Willem-Alexander is influenced by Máxima, and (2) how Máxima still likes to meddle into the internal affairs of her home country, whose citizenship she never renounced (she claims it is legally impossible to do so).

yes, clarin is a reputable source. however, i think this time they must have gotten it wrong. i very much doubt that on a state visit the guest presidential couple would be invited to the personal residence of WA and maxima. unless wasenaar was explicitly reported, my guess is that this was a misinterpretation on the part of clarin. in this article of the cancillery of argentina, it explicitly mentions that the presidential couple stayed at het loo 'over the weekend' (and i doubt they could stay at two different places at the same time ;)). it does however mention WA and maxima were there with them.

En Holanda, Macri pone las inversiones al tope de la agenda | Síntesis de Prensa Nacional

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Máxima still likes to meddle into the internal affairs of her home country, whose citizenship she never renounced (she claims it is legally impossible to do so)
she does not 'claim' that - it is the law. once an argentinian, always an argentinian. there's some countries of which you cannot renounce citizenship and argentina is one of them.

on the influence of maxima on WA... well, which wife does not have influence over her husband? ;)

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Originally Posted by Alisa (Post 1971433)
Thanks for all the photos.
I cannot but help to compare the difference in interaction between Juliana Awada and Queen Máxima and Juliana Awada sns Queen Letizia. I was delightfully surprised by how well Juliana and Queen Letizia got along and how affectionate they were. I thought for sure that there would be even MORE of that given that it is Queen Máxima's home country and she reportedly knows the couple well. However it appears to be the opposite.

you are right, i was also confused (but not surprised) by this.

maxima and the macris met at davos when his mandate started:

Clarín HD - DAVOS. Mauricio Macri, junto a su esposa Juliana...

the ambiance was very amicable. my guess is that maxima, as the argentinian she is, was pleased to see change happening in the country following the 3 mandates of the kirchners (now cristina kirchner being judged for corruption). a year later, however, macri's mandate hasn't been much of a success either, and on top of that his name was in the panama papers. so i guess maxima feels what most argentinians feel - that the change wasn't as positive as they initially predicted.
letizia probably has her own views on this too, but does not have skin in the game, whereas maxima does... so maybe that is what is showing on this occasion which did not show in the spanish visit.
or maybe i am reading too much between the lines. we shall see over the next few days.

Duc_et_Pair 03-27-2017 11:57 AM

This is a State Visit, with all protocol and decorum. Both Queen Máxima as well the First Lady were subject to solemn ceremonial. Besides that: the atmosphere was a bit tense because of audible disruptions of Argentineans pro and contra President Macri, as well protestors from Amnesty International, from the Madres de Plaza del Mayo, etc.

The arrival ceremony for the State Visit to Spain was on a gated, secluded area. The arrival ceremony in Amsterdam was on the busiest hot-spot of the city, for all to see and to hear. That is a total different feel than on a secluded area as the Pardo Palace or La Zarzuela. Even the gigantic cour of the Palacio Real in Madrid was closed for onlookers when President Macri was there.

Today all passing on Dam Square had an intresting day with colourful military ceremonial, music, royals and watching chique folks in a sparkling sunshine.

Duc_et_Pair 03-27-2017 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 1971427)
That is interesting. Het Loo Castle is not currently available to the Dutch royal family as a residence and I am not even sure it is habitable. The King could not invite Macri and his wife to stay there without consulting the Dutch government.

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The mediaeval Caste Het Oude Loo is at the disposal of the King. In the 1950's Princess Wilhelmina donated the vast Royal Domains to the State. "The Lady High Donoress" (as is the wording in the notary acts) however stipulated that revenues and usufruct are for the Bearer of the Crown and that -in case of an end of the monarchy- the Royal Domains will be returned to the royal family or they will be compensated by the State for the value of the domains.

In return there is a beautiful large nature reserve in densely populated Netherlands accessible for all and everyone. In the "Batavian Republic" (the short Stadtholderless period before Napoleon made the Netherlands part of the French Empire) Het Loo Palace was confiscated by the then anti-Orangist Government. After the return of the Oranges the State promised to give the palace in usufruct and pay for the upkeep (which was wisely accepted by Willem I: having the pleasures but not the burdens...).

Until the Donation in the 1950's the Crown Estate and the old castle were private property. Now the state pays for the upkeep and gives it in usufruct to the King. The King can use Het Loo Palace as well, which has a museal and representative function. Het Loo is more or less the "life insurance" for an eventually dethroned royal family: when the monarchy falls, they still can enjoy a fabulous estate, like their German dethroned counterparts so to say.

lucien 03-27-2017 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 1971427)
That is interesting. Het Loo Castle is not currently available to the Dutch royal family as a residence and I am not even sure it is habitable. The King could not invite Macri and his wife to stay there without consulting the Dutch government.

The Argentinian press (the normally reliable Clarín, which does not qualify as "trash press") still maintains that the president stayed at Villa Eikenhorst over the weekend and moved to the Royal Palace of Amsterdam on Sunday.

Either way, it is highly irregular that the Macris were private guests of the King and Queen before the official state visit began. Their private friendship notwithstanding, that shows to me: (1) how much Willem-Alexander is influenced by Máxima, and (2) how Máxima still likes to meddle into the internal affairs of her home country, whose citizenship she never renounced (she claims it is legally impossible to do so).

Habitable?Oh well ofcourse it is,very much so!!Beautifull appartements et tout!Whatever gave you the idea HM has to ask the Government to use it when it's at HIS and the Rf's disposal and in use when they so wish.At the disposal of the Royal Family,always was....It does help if one reads a tad more..

And,it really is impossible for Argentinian citizens to get rit of their citizenship.so,
comprendo,so,so it isn't " a claim"by Her Majesty.

And,as we here in NL all know,there is a long standing friendship between the two countries,so,so it is inevitable that every once in a couple of decades the Heads of State meet as one does in civilised countries.Civilised countries I said...Now it happens that Her Majesty originates from Argentina.Both TM have a far greater role internationally,especially HM the Queen,so,so she gets to meet tout le monde.Her wish is not the reason the Government issues invites for State Visits,it is very much the Government who decides in my country...and thank goodness for that.

Mbruno 03-27-2017 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by EmmaNL (Post 1971438)
For guests coming from far away countries, it is not very rare that they arrive before the actual start of the visit to get over their jetlag. Foreign royal visitors stay with the King and Queen very often when they visit the Netherlands. They often stay at the Royal Palace in Amsterdam, although both Villa Eikenhorst and the new palace for the King and Queen (Huis ten Bosch) have a guest wing.

In fact: it really is legally impossible to renounce your Argentinan citizenship. So Her Majesty is very right on that. In fact, her daughters can choose to get an Argentinan citizenship too when they reach the age of 18. There are more countries in the world where it is impossible to renounce your citizenship.


According to Clarín, the Argentinian first couple had prior reservations for the weekend at a local hotel. Clearly they were not expecting an invitation to stay with the King and Queen as private guests and the invitation didn't come untl the last minute actually. To me, it was clearly a political gesture to boost Macri's domestic standing in Argentina.

Again, I wonder if the Dutch government was consulted.

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In fact: it really is legally impossible to renounce your Argentinan citizenship. So Her Majesty is very right on that. In fact, her daughters can choose to get an Argentinan citizenship too when they reach the age of 18. There are more countries in the world where it is impossible to renounce your citizenship.
I will frame it as a different question: did Máxima surrender her Argentinian passport ? I would assume so, but I'm not sure.

Mbruno 03-27-2017 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by lucien (Post 1971452)
Habitable?Oh well ofcourse it is,very much so!!Beautifull appartements et tout!Whatever gave you the idea HM has to ask the Government to use it when it's at HIS and the Rf's disposal and in use when they so wish.At the disposal of the Royal Family,always was....It does help if one reads a tad more..

And,it really is impossible for Argentinian citizens to get rit of their citizenship.so,
comprendo,so,so it isn't " a claim"by Her Majesty.

And,as we here in NL all know,there is a long standing friendship between the two countries,so,so it is inevitable that every once in a couple of decades the Heads of State meet as one does in civilised countries.Civilised countries I said...Now it happens that Her Majesty originates from Argentina.Both TM have a far greater role internationally,especially HM the Queen,so,so she gets to meet tout le monde.Her wish is not the reason the Government issues invites for State Visits,it is very much the Government who decides in my country...and thank goodness for that.


All royal palaces are currently owned by the State. According to the website of the Royal House, the only palaces that are currently at the disposal of the Royal Family are Huis Ten Bosch (as a residence), the Noordeinde Palace, and the Royal Palace of Amsterdam.

It is true though that, while the Het Loo Palace is now a museum, the Old Loo castle is rented from the State by the King as a guesthouse. So, it makes sense that it should be habitable.

Koningin 03-27-2017 02:01 PM

According to official schedule, banquet is going to begin on 19:30 CET (14:30 argentinian time).

muriel 03-27-2017 02:53 PM

Any pictures from the state dinner yet?

duke of poliganc 03-27-2017 03:06 PM

House Diamonds Necklace :eek::eek::eek::rofl:

muriel 03-27-2017 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by duke of poliganc (Post 1971487)

Fantastic! Great to see this necklace out finally.

dbarn67 03-27-2017 03:11 PM

OMG!!!!! They appear...all hail Queen Maxima!!!!

Stefan 03-27-2017 03:12 PM

Nice that she brings this finally out after it has been in the Vaulsts for over 40 years. So next he Stuart tiara.

suztav 03-27-2017 03:17 PM

Wowza!!!! Now that is some bling!!

Tilia C. 03-27-2017 03:27 PM

I'm completely wowed! Queen Maxima looks absolutely splendid. The necklace is really beautiful. I had thought that is was a stunning whopper, but it's also graceful and flattering, imo. I'm looking forward to more pictures of tonight.

dazzling 03-27-2017 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by duke of poliganc (Post 1971487)

Maxima looks stunning!
Quite a nice visit so far. Look forward to tomorrows events.

eya 03-27-2017 03:29 PM

Photos from gala

Belga Image

http://www.vanitatis.elconfidencial....a-gala_1356204

duke of poliganc 03-27-2017 03:43 PM

is queen maxima wearing a different order than the one queen letizia wore ?! is it a dutch order ?!

lucien 03-27-2017 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by duke of poliganc (Post 1971509)
is queen maxima wearing a different order than the one queen letizia wore ?! is it a dutch order ?!

Yes,and the highest in that section....as a Queen befits

Stefan 03-27-2017 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by lucien (Post 1971517)
Yes,and the highest in that section....as a Queen befits

But why wasn't she given an argentinian Order?

EmmaNL 03-27-2017 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by duke of poliganc (Post 1971509)
is queen maxima wearing a different order than the one queen letizia wore ?! is it a dutch order ?!

Yes, it's a Dutch order.
The Argentinan Orders a President can award are only for foreigners (like the one Letizia wore). Queen Máxima is, as was mentioned here before, still Argentinan, since she can't renounce her citizenship, so she can't have this order and she is still wearing her Dutch order.

For the record: she always says she feels Dutch and is Dutch, however, the Argentinan law says that a citizen can't renounce his or her citizenship and can't surrender his or her passport. In the Netherlands, you can have two passports, so Queen Máxima both has a Dutch and an Argentinan passport. She is Dutch since 17th of May 2001 (her 30th birthday).

lucien 03-27-2017 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 1971518)
But why wasn't she given an argentinian Order?

Only Dutch Orders are worn tonight apparently.

I believe both TM already have Orders from the last State Visit there as they accompanied HM Queen Beatrix but that wasn't appropriate to be worn now as they were a degree,tad,lower then the one bestowed on the then Monarch.They apparently didn't bring any along....protocol & protocol and the execution of it,are not at all times the same everywhere.

Stefan 03-27-2017 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by lucien (Post 1971521)
Only Dutch Orders are worn tonight apparently.

But the King wears the Collar of the argentinian order. The same one that King Felipe wore last month.
Could it be that argentinian Order can not be given to argentinian Citizens?

lucien 03-27-2017 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 1971522)
But the King wears the Collar of the argentinian order. The same one that King Felipe wore last month.
Could it be that argentinian Order can not be given to argentinian Citizens?

No,because at this instant HM the Queen is the Queen Consort of the King of The Netherlands,not just an Argentinian citizen only.So no,that has absolutely nada nada to do with it Stefan.

MissByrd 03-27-2017 04:25 PM

It looked like a beautiful day there today. And, I must say that the Dutch have a most beautiful national anthem, music and words.

Al_bina 03-27-2017 04:28 PM

Both ladies looked wonderful.

polyesco 03-27-2017 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by EmmaNL (Post 1971520)
Yes, it's a Dutch order.
The Argentinan Orders a President can award are only for foreigners (like the one Letizia wore). Queen Máxima is, as was mentioned here before, still Argentinan, since she can't renounce her citizenship, so she can't have this order and she is still wearing her Dutch order.

For the record: she always says she feels Dutch and is Dutch, however, the Argentinan law says that a citizen can't renounce his or her citizenship and can't surrender his or her passport. In the Netherlands, you can have two passports, so Queen Máxima both has a Dutch and an Argentinan passport. She is Dutch since 17th of May 2001 (her 30th birthday).

thank you for this explanation. So Maxima can not receive any Argentinian order, thus wore her highest Dutch order

EmmaNL 03-27-2017 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by polyesco (Post 1971539)
thank you for this explanation. So Maxima can not receive any Argentinian order, thus wore her highest Dutch order

She can not receive the same order Letizia did (because she's still Argentinan) and certainly not the same order as King Willem-Alexander (because he's the king, and probably also because she still is Argentinan).

Princess Beatrix was attending the state banquet too. She wore the Antique Pearl tiara.

duke of poliganc 03-27-2017 07:35 PM

a part of the king speech abd there is a shot of queen beatrix wearing the antique pearl tiara .

carlota 03-27-2017 08:36 PM

so sweet of WA to say that argentina 'is also of course the country which gave him his most precious gift, his wife, the dutch queen'. :heart2:

and doesn't the dutch queen, for that matter, look absolutely stunning?! i was wondering when we were going to see that magnificent gown again, and there it is, with that lovely diamond neckless! magnificent.

COUNTESS 03-27-2017 08:39 PM

Stunning, stunning, stunning. Both ladies.

eya 03-28-2017 02:15 AM

Another gallery from dinner

PPE Agency

Princess Beatrix

http://3.t.cdn.belga.be/belgaimage:1...ef7&m=pmijdogh
http://www.ppe-agency.com/500px/Mar2...E170327204.jpg

Princess Laurentien

http://3.t.cdn.belga.be/belgaimage:1...ef7&m=djllloic
http://2.t.cdn.belga.be/belgaimage:1...ef7&m=famapknl

Queen Maxima welcomes Argentinian first lady to Amsterdam | Daily Mail Online

iceflower 03-28-2017 02:36 AM

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Here are three more extra galleries of the state banquet:


** rd.nl gallery **


** robinutrecht.photoshelter gallery **


** dpp gallery: State banquet for Argentinean president **

eya 03-28-2017 06:12 AM

Queen Maxima and Mrs. Juliana Awada during today a working visit to the apartment of client Lorena in the Orange House in Amsterdam.

Belga Image

iceflower 03-28-2017 07:11 AM

:previous:

More pics of day 2 can be found here:


** ppe gallery **


** gettyimages gallery **


** robinutrecht.photoshelter gallery **


** dpp gallery: State visit from Argentina day 2 **


** dailymail: Starry eyed! Queen Maxima opts for a heavily-embellished coat for another day of engagements with her glamorous guest...**

eya 03-28-2017 02:56 PM

The return dinner who offer the President of Argentina

Belga Image

http://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?z...7%20Diligentia

ashelen 03-28-2017 06:57 PM

I think the ladies look gorgeous in all the events. Just Mrs, Awada should have used hats when Maxima did, and some jewelry. Argentina has beautiful stones and jewelry . She should to showcase a little bit more of the Argentina. She is the first lady after all and it was not up to the code of Queen Maxima! The first coat with the dress white with perls it is gorgeous but would had need a hat!

altagrace 03-28-2017 06:59 PM

Thank you Eya for posting the pictures. I see the Dress code for the return dinner is business suit. Oh well-it's the trend. sigh.

Alisa 03-28-2017 08:23 PM

I apologize if this was asked already. But why was Máxima not given an Argentinian order?

RoyalHighness 2002 03-28-2017 08:55 PM

Ms. Awada and Queen Maxima look way more comfortable together today.

Alisa 03-28-2017 10:09 PM

Yes they did. I even saw a pic of King W-A hugging the President Macri

eya 03-29-2017 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Alisa (Post 1972027)
I apologize if this was asked already. But why was Máxima not given an Argentinian order?

She answer that above EmmaNL

Quote:

Originally Posted by EmmaNL (Post 1971520)
Yes, it's a Dutch order.
The Argentinan Orders a President can award are only for foreigners (like the one Letizia wore). Queen Máxima is, as was mentioned here before, still Argentinan, since she can't renounce her citizenship, so she can't have this order and she is still wearing her Dutch order.

For the record: she always says she feels Dutch and is Dutch, however, the Argentinan law says that a citizen can't renounce his or her citizenship and can't surrender his or her passport. In the Netherlands, you can have two passports, so Queen Máxima both has a Dutch and an Argentinan passport. She is Dutch since 17th of May 2001 (her 30th birthday).


Alisa 03-29-2017 05:19 AM

Thanks for the reply!


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