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Duke of Marmalade 11-11-2019 04:52 AM

King Felipe leaves for Cuba today facing an even worse situation than before after yesterdays elections.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9197751.html

The result of the elections is that Spain is even more ungovernable than before.
The fourth general election within four years should have brought clarity to Spain - and a stable government. But the head of government has gambled - and lost: Instead of forming a coalition with the left-wing Podemos and securing the support of moderate regional parties after the elections in April, Sánchez preferred to push for new elections: convinced that he would become even stronger. He was wrong and all parties who did not care to take responsibility were punished.
Since yesterday it is clear that the right-wing radicals are able to establish themselves.
In addition, the Catalonia conflict destabilizes Spain. A situation not only bad for Spain but also dangerous for Europe.

Stefan 11-11-2019 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade (Post 2267038)
King Felipe leaves for Cuba today facing an even worse situation than before after yesterdays elections.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9197751.html

The result of the elections is that Spain is even more ungovernable than before.
The fourth general election within four years should have brought clarity to Spain - and a stable government. But the head of government has gambled - and lost: Instead of forming a coalition with the left-wing Podemos and securing the support of moderate regional parties after the elections in April, Sánchez preferred to push for new elections: convinced that he would become even stronger. He was wrong and all parties who did not care to take responsibility were punished.
Since yesterday it is clear that the right-wing radicals are able to establish themselves.
In addition, the Catalonia conflict destabilizes Spain. A situation not only bad for Spain but also dangerous for Europe.


I think the parties should start to work together for the sake of the country and not aginst each other. It is unrealistic to hope for an avsolute majority.

Blog Real 11-11-2019 06:36 AM

I think the best solution would be a central block between PSOE and PP. It would be the best for Spain.

Mbruno 11-11-2019 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Blog Real (Post 2267049)
I think the best solution would be a central block between PSOE and PP. It would be the best for Spain.


I still don't understand why the King's state visit to Cuba has not been canceled in view of the political crisis in Spain.



The problem is that Spanish politics is adversarial in nature, but the new reality, following the emergence of third parties on the right and on the left and the rise of regional nationalist parties, is one of permanent hung / fragmented parliaments. Those two things of course are not compatible, i.e. you can't have fragmented multiparty parliaments as in Belgium or the Netherlands and, at the same time, have adversarial politics as in the UK, where one of the two major parties normally manages to win an overall majority alone.



A grand coalition between PSOE and PP would probably be the best solution, but I think that is politically impossible in the Spain. The most likely scenario in my opinion is still a PSOE/Podemos minority coalition government relying on the abstention of Ciudadanos and the nationalist/regional parties to secure the investiture of Pedro Sanchéz. PSOE will have to offer something tangible though to the Catalan and Basque nationalists to achieve that.



A constitutional amendment to turn Spain into a full federal state is the least I would expect, but I am still not sure if Sanchéz would go as far as offering a Madrid sanctioned independence referendum in Catalonia, which he can't actually promise as it would be unconstitutional to do so in Spain.

An Ard Ri 11-11-2019 09:14 AM

The State Visit to Cuba couldn't have come at a worse time for the king!

Stefan 11-11-2019 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 2267059)
The State Visit to Cuba couldn't have come at a worse time for the king!


Wonder why it was out on the Agenda for this date. Or if could have not been cancelled why did they not the elections a week later after he has come back.

Blog Real 11-11-2019 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 2267058)
I still don't understand why the King's state visit to Cuba has not been canceled in view of the political crisis in Spain.



The problem is that Spanish politics is adversarial in nature, but the new reality, following the emergence of third parties on the right and on the left and the rise of regional nationalist parties, is one of permanent hung / fragmented parliaments. Those two things of course are not compatible, i.e. you can't have fragmented multiparty parliaments as in Belgium or the Netherlands and, at the same time, have adversarial politics as in the UK, where one of the two major parties normally manages to win an overall majority alone.



A grand coalition between PSOE and PP would probably be the best solution, but I think that is politically impossible in the Spain. The most likely scenario in my opinion is still a PSOE/Podemos minority coalition government relying on the abstention of Ciudadanos and the nationalist/regional parties to secure the investiture of Pedro Sanchéz. PSOE will have to offer something tangible though to the Catalan and Basque nationalists to achieve that.



A constitutional amendment to turn Spain into a full federal state is the least I would expect, but I am still not sure if Sanchéz would go as far as offering a Madrid sanctioned independence referendum in Catalonia, which he can't actually promise as it would be unconstitutional to do so in Spain.

Yes the visit to Cuba should have been canceled.

The question of Catalonia is a question that concerns me. I hope it will be resolved next year, whatever the outcome.

Duke of Marmalade 11-12-2019 03:21 PM

https://www.ft.com/content/5a93de8c-...4-fbbacad9e7dd

Spain’s Socialists strike coalition deal with far-left Podemos
Pedro Sánchez, caretaker PM, reaches agreement with Pablo Iglesias’s radical movement. They still need approval of parliament.

Blog Real 11-12-2019 05:09 PM

PSOE and Podemos together not have a majority and it is not known if this coalition will be approved in parliament.
I hope that if they can make government that will not undermine the monarchy.

An Ard Ri 11-12-2019 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade (Post 2267280)
https://www.ft.com/content/5a93de8c-...4-fbbacad9e7dd

Spain’s Socialists strike coalition deal with far-left Podemos
Pedro Sánchez, caretaker PM, reaches agreement with Pablo Iglesias’s radical movement. They still need approval of parliament.

And meanwhile the king is in Cuba coming home to more political upheaval.

HereditaryPrincess 11-12-2019 05:58 PM

Spain seems to be facing rather uncertain times at the moment. It'll be interesting to see how the popularity of the royals will compare from last year when the next poll is released.

Blog Real 11-12-2019 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess (Post 2267315)
Spain seems to be facing rather uncertain times at the moment. It'll be interesting to see how the popularity of the royals will compare from last year when the next poll is released.


None of Spain's current problems have to do with the Monarchy or the Royal Family, so popularity must be the same.
Spain's current problems have to do with political instability.
Apparently the King did not want to go to Cuba now, but the prime minister wanted to keep the trip.
But Spain is going through uncertain and worrying times.

HereditaryPrincess 11-12-2019 07:33 PM

King Felipe VI and Government formations
 
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Originally Posted by Blog Real (Post 2267326)
None of Spain's current problems have to do with the Monarchy or the Royal Family, so popularity must be the same.

Spain's current problems have to do with political instability.

Apparently the King did not want to go to Cuba now, but the prime minister wanted to keep the trip.

But Spain is going through uncertain and worrying times.


I know - I’ve been keeping up with current events.
But, even if Felipe still didn’t want to go on the Cuba trip, there surely would still be some backlash given the political unrest in Spain - My post was in response mainly to An Ard Ri’s comment about the Cuba situation. Also, Leonor was in Cataluńa for the Princess of Girona awards which sparked some controversy amongst the Separatists IIRC and there were protestors outside the event. Even if the SRF don’t have too much do with the unrest in Spain at the moment it would still factor their popularity and all I was wondering was if it would change somewhat; that’s all. Just a personal interest.

Livia 11-12-2019 08:07 PM

King Felipe must do whatever the president of the government wants, if he says the King has to go to Cuba the King has to go to Cuba even if he doesn't want to and Pedro Sánchez was the first who wants this State Visit and he had no intention to cancel it at any moment, it never crossed his mind to do it.

To be honest that aliance is very dangerous not only for Spain but for Europe too but I believe it's life is going to be very short, two roosters and only one chicken coop, I want to think this.

This two guys are making King Felipe stronger every day.

Blog Real 11-12-2019 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 2267335)
King Felipe must do whatever the president of the government wants, if he says the King has to go to Cuba the King has to go to Cuba even if he doesn't want to and Pedro Sánchez was the first who wants this State Visit and he had no intention to cancel it at any moment, it never crossed his mind to do it.

To be honest that aliance is very dangerous not only for Spain but for Europe too but I believe it's life is going to be very short, two roosters and only one chicken coop, I want to think this.

This two guys are making King Felipe stronger every day.

I also think it will be a short term government. It is not yet known if it is going ahead, as they have only signed a pre-agreement and are looking for more support. Pedro Sanchez will still meet with other political forces.
I also think that with this all the King gets even stronger, because he is the only one who is not to blame for what is happening and people know it.
Spain must urgently overcome these problems as soon as possible in order to be able to return to this country.

iceflower 12-10-2019 05:12 AM

Today, December 10, King Felipe met with representatives appointed by the political groups:


** Pic **


** casareal: Consultas de Su Majestad el Rey con los representantes designados por los grupos políticos ..**

iceflower 12-11-2019 05:30 AM

:previous:

Yesterday's meetings were continued today, December 11:


** Pic 1 ** Pic 2 ** belga gallery **


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