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An Ard Ri 01-04-2015 10:22 AM

Iñaki, Cristina and the NOOS Corruption Investigation Part 2 (2015 - 2018)
 
Iñaki, Cristina and the NOOS Corruption Investigation Part 2

January 2015

Time for part 2 of this thread, you can view the old thread here

http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ent-32245.html

Breffney 01-05-2015 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 1737307)
Iñaki, Cristina and the NOOS Corruption Investigation Part 2

January 2015

Time for part 2 of this thread, you can view the old thread here

http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ent-32245.html

Part 2. I wonder how many "parts" will we have reached before this sorry saga reaches a conclusion. ?

I know the law moves slowly but this seems to be going on forever.

biboquinhas 01-09-2015 07:26 AM

So she will be judge? didn't she only had to pay that ammount of money? I though that she will be release from the trial already...

An Ard Ri 01-09-2015 07:48 AM

Miquel Roca: "The Infanta Cristina is innocent and has nothing to regret"

Miquel Roca: "La Infanta Cristina es inocente y no tiene nada de lo que arrepentirse" - Bekia


The judge rejected the appeal filed by the defense team of the Infanta Cristina

El juez Castro rechaza el recurso de apelación presentado por la defensa de la Infanta Cristina - Bekia

Duke of Marmalade 01-09-2015 02:30 PM

Spanish judge rejects appeal in Princess Cristina case | World news | The Guardian

Winnie 01-09-2015 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade (Post 1739349)

This is getting worse every week. I can't help but believe that this judge MUST have read something in official papers that gives him the impression that Cristina needs to stand under oath and properly answer charges. Otherwise the judge would take the easy way out and accept the appeal. We certainly [and maybe never] may never know the entire story, but there is something there that is just not ringing true. Just wish it were all over for the sake of the Spanish people and the children of these two under fire.

An Ard Ri 01-10-2015 07:09 AM

Hola

El juez José Castro rechaza el recurso de los abogados de la infanta Cristina contra la apertura de juicio oral por el caso Noós

An Ard Ri 01-19-2015 07:40 PM

The trial could take place in the second half of 2015


La infanta Cristina, al banquillo como cooperadora del fraude de su marido | España | EL PAÍS

An Ard Ri 01-20-2015 08:11 AM

Iñaki Urdangarín maintains he is innocent following a meeting between his lawyer and Judge Castro.

Iñaki Urdangarín no pactará con la Fiscalía Anticorrupción al mantener que es inocente - Bekia

https://translate.google.ie/?ie=UTF-...s%20y%20medio.

maria-olivia 01-20-2015 09:01 AM

He will always maintain his innocence...

An Ard Ri 01-20-2015 09:29 AM

So it seems Maria Olivia!

An Ard Ri 01-21-2015 06:57 AM

The Palma's Barcelona home may have a buyer as per Bekia

La Infanta Cristina e Iñaki Urdangarín encuentran comprador para su casa de Pedralbes - Bekia


https://translate.googleusercontent....v-2XBsLVNJDkEg

LadyFinn 01-21-2015 03:09 PM

Spain's Princess Cristina is said to have come to an agreement over the sale of her luxury villa in Barcelona, although a judge will have still to sign off on the sale.
Scandal-hit princess set to sell €6m mansion - The Local

An Ard Ri 01-28-2015 12:25 PM

The Infanta Cristina and Inaki Urdangarin requested the judge's permission to sell the palace of Pedralbes in Barcelona

Hola

La infanta Cristina e Iñaki Urdangarin solicitan el permiso del juez para vender el palacete de Pedralbes

https://translate.google.ie/translat...%2F&edit-text=

vkrish 01-30-2015 09:45 AM

Must be a well arranged, over-the-price deal with a disinterested, unknown buyer. Reminds me of sunninghill mansion

Winnie 01-30-2015 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maria-olivia (Post 1742382)
He will always maintain his innocence...

Well, of course, that is common with people even on death row. People will always claim they are innocent. We all would. If I remember correctly, Al Capone always claimed he was framed and wrongly in prison for income tax evasion.

An Ard Ri 02-05-2015 09:34 AM

Judge José Castro has formally authorized the sale of the Barcelona residence of The Infanta Cristina and Inaki Urdangarin.

El juez Castro permite en un auto la venta de la casa de Pedralbes de la Infanta Cristina e Iñaki Urdangarín - Bekia


https://translate.googleusercontent....QvHl-a6m8didIQ

An Ard Ri 03-14-2015 04:52 PM

Agreement reached on sale of the Palma's home in Barcelona

La infanta Cristina e Iñaki Urdangarin aplazan dos meses la venta de su residencia de Pedralbes

https://translate.google.ie/translat...-text=&act=url

An Ard Ri 03-17-2015 09:18 AM

As per Bekia,Infanta Cristina is back in Spain and spent the weekend in Madrid.

La Infanta Cristina pasa del veto del Rey Juan Carlos y viaja a Madrid, se aloja en La Zarzuela y se va de cumpleaños - Bekia

https://translate.googleusercontent....7MqxYKO1E8QPkA

carlota 03-17-2015 09:50 AM

the article mentions that king JC vetoed cristina entering the royal palace. however, they also cite that she stayed there for the night, so maybe the veto has been lifted. they also say she didn't meet felipe and letizia, and that she went shopping in la moraleja.

An Ard Ri 04-02-2015 06:32 PM

The Defence team for Inaki Urdangarin registered this morning before the court of Instruction No. 3 of Palma.

I?aki Urdangarin presenta su escrito de defensa por el 'caso N?os' | Baleares | EL MUNDO


https://translate.google.ie/translat...-text=&act=url

LadyFinn 04-08-2015 10:11 AM

When the fraud and corruption case against Iñaki Urdangarin, the disgraced son-in-law of the former King Juan Carlos of Spain eventually comes to trial, the defence could call on a host of high profile witnesses.
A list of 696 proposed witnesses have been put forward by the defence team of Diego Torres, the former business partner and co-defendent of the Duke of Palma, the husband of Princess Cristina.
On the list is King Felipe VI, King Juan Carlos, Queen Sofia, the King’s sister the Infanta Elena and her ex-husband Jaime de Marichalar.
King Felipe’s aunt and elder sister of Juan Carlos, the Infanta Pilar, Duchess of Badajos is also on the list of proposed witnesses as is the King Felipe’s maternal aunt, Princess Irene of Greece and Denmark.
Holding court Call for Spain's kings to testify - The Local

Duke of Marmalade 04-08-2015 10:36 AM

So by calling them as witnesses, Torres is indicating that the whole family knew what was going on? I don't think any of them will be called to testify but by proposing them Torres defence could bring further embarrassment for the SRF.

Winnie 04-08-2015 12:59 PM

Yes, looks like Torres has made a smart move in putting Spanish Royal Family on list of PROPOSED witnesses. Know they will not be called on the stand, but, just the fact that they are on list makes one believe that there is a piece of evidence showing they knew what was going on for years. Tickles me that Letizia was not included. One has to wonder.

lula 04-08-2015 01:25 PM

Torres has requested nearly 700 witnesses, a way of complicating the court case... all names that appear in the emails of Iñaki are appointed, but really many of them can not contribute to the case, and the court will not accept it.

When he created Noos, he sent an email to all members of the family and friends presenting his project, it was March 2003 and all who received the mail are appointed. Letizia does not appear because then she was not a member of the family.

An Ard Ri 04-08-2015 01:45 PM

What's the likely-hood of the Borbóns being called as witnesses en masse ,the media would have a field day!

lula 04-08-2015 02:00 PM

I do not think a judge would agree to spend the money of citizens lengthening a trial and calling hundreds of people who are not going to contribute anything to the court case ... it is totally absurd. This is part of the media show of Diego Torres.

Hypothetically if the judge decides that one can contribute something to the case... King Felipe as head of state would not testify, and King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia could do it in writing without going to court.

carlota 04-08-2015 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lula (Post 1766017)
Torres has requested nearly 700 witnesses, a way of complicating the court case... all names that appear in the emails of Iñaki are appointed, but really many of them can not contribute to the case, and the court will not accept it.

When he created Noos, he sent an email to all members of the family and friends presenting his project, it was March 2003 and all who received the mail are appointed. Letizia does not appear because then she was not a member of the family.

i do hope they involve at least some of the SRF witnesses to testify, although don't believe they will. i think that some of the SRF members, felipe in particular, would be honest in what they tell the court at least and hopefully this will help speed up this never ending case.

An Ard Ri 04-08-2015 07:13 PM

Bekia

Diego Torres quiere que declaren en el juicio de Nóos los Reyes Felipe, Juan Carlos y Sofía, las Infantas Elena y Pilar e Irene de Grecia - Bekia


https://translate.googleusercontent....FQB9EBN5vir0Ow

LadyFinn 04-09-2015 06:09 AM

Cristina's defense team is stressing that Urdangarin’s wife knew nothing of the way the company was being run, had no training in accounting, and simply signed whatever documents her husband placed in front of her “without asking for explanations.”
Princess Cristina signed papers blindly, claims Nóos case defense In English EL PAÍS

An Ard Ri 04-09-2015 06:36 AM

Bekia and Hola are both also running with this latest revelation

La Infanta Cristina echa la culpa a Iñaki Urdangarín en su escrito de defensa y dice que firmó sin pedir explicaciones - Bekia

https://translate.google.ie/translat...-text=&act=url

Hola

http://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_esp...mar-confianza/

Duke of Marmalade 04-09-2015 06:44 AM

It has been known since Ancient Rome: Ignorantia legis non excusat

Sancia 04-09-2015 06:50 AM

The atmosphere will be great in the couple in the next days. "Sorry darling, but I had to put all the blame on you, I sincerely hope you will be comprehensive."

Will the couple separate? Keeping common life will be difficult.

Marengo 04-09-2015 07:19 AM

Considering they have had a long time to prepare the defence, I doubt that this course of action will be a surprise to Inaki. And perhaps it is the truth, she wouldn't be the first nor the last spouse that trusts the other marital partner blindly.

Asking 700 people to testify seems rather excessive and a waste of time and money.

An Ard Ri 04-09-2015 07:26 AM

Trying to imagine the poor sod who dared cross exam the Infanta Pilar :eek:

http://www.elsemanaldigital.com/imag...anta-pilar.jpg

Marengo 04-09-2015 07:31 AM

I am sure that if they actually appear in court -which I very much doubt- most of the family will go along with the story that was told by King Constantine to Christiane Amanpour: she is a fantastic lady who would never do anything like that.

LadyFinn 05-07-2015 04:52 PM

Cristina has been demanded to declare a list of assets to be blocked to cover her €2.7 million bail fee while she awaits trial. The Palma de Mallorca Judge Jose Castro has given her a deadline of Friday to present the list.
Asset block to cover Princess Cristina’s €2.7 million bail fee _ Spain's Latest News

España_ La infanta Cristina afronta embargo de sus activos - Yahoo Finanzas España

An Ard Ri 05-07-2015 04:56 PM

ABC :previous:

El juez Castro inicia los tr?mites para embargar a la Infanta Cristina - ABC.es

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Duke of Marmalade 05-08-2015 03:43 AM

MADRID: Spain's indicted princess faces asset block | Entertainment News | Idahostatesman.com

An Ard Ri 05-12-2015 08:10 AM

As per Bekia the Palma's have reduced staff to save money!

Bekia

La Infanta Cristina e Iñaki Urdangarín despiden a su asistenta para ahorrar gastos - Bekia


https://translate.google.ie/translat...-text=&act=url

GracieGiraffe 05-12-2015 09:48 AM

I wonder if the school fees are paid by someone else.

Mbruno 05-12-2015 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sancia (Post 1766306)
The atmosphere will be great in the couple in the next days. "Sorry darling, but I had to put all the blame on you, I sincerely hope you will be comprehensive."

Will the couple separate? Keeping common life will be difficult.

If her version of the facts is true, I don't see how they could not separate. Essentially, she is saying she was deceived and lied to by her husband.

GracieGiraffe 05-12-2015 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 1778716)
If her version of the facts is true, I don't see how they could not separate. Essentially, she is saying she was deceived and lied to by her husband.

But they won't, mark my words.

This could also be a case of an agreement to give one parent a soft landing, so that the kids won't face the tragedy of two convicted parents, and so one adult in the family can ultimately stay employed.

Winnie 05-12-2015 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GracieGiraffe (Post 1778719)
But they won't, mark my words.

This could also be a case of an agreement to give one parent a soft landing, so that the kids won't face the tragedy of two convicted parents, and so one adult in the family can ultimately stay employed.

I understand what you are saying, but I just can't understand how someone could truly love another person and just throw them under the bus when things get bad. Don't just say "it is for the sake of the children" because in later life the children will know facts and turn on the free parent. Inaki will be the appreciated parent in ending days. JMO but I have seen it happen a few times years ago in NJ and believe me, the children will turn when it all come out at a family "get-to-gether" 20 years down the road. Children love both parents and will be sickened when one destroys the other publically to save their own skin. Once truth come to them and they are adults, it will not longer be happy families.

GracieGiraffe 05-12-2015 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winnie (Post 1778738)
I understand what you are saying, but I just can't understand how someone could truly love another person and just throw them under the bus when things get bad. Don't just say "it is for the sake of the children" because in later life the children will know facts and turn on the free parent. Inaki will be the appreciated parent in ending days. JMO but I have seen it happen a few times years ago in NJ and believe me, the children will turn when it all come out at a family "get-to-gether" 20 years down the road. Children love both parents and will be sickened when one destroys the other publically to save their own skin. Once truth come to them and they are adults, it will not longer be happy families.

You could be right, and you could be right that this will haunt them for the rest of their days as a family.

An Ard Ri 05-14-2015 09:41 AM

Infanta Cristina may renounce her succession rights but not those of her decedents as per Bekia.

La Infanta Cristina pone dos condiciones para renunciar a sus derechos sucesorios - Bekia

https://translate.google.ie/translat...-text=&act=url

Marty91charmed 05-14-2015 10:50 AM

For what my opinion worths, I think she would have already done it if she really meant to give up her rights..

eya 05-14-2015 12:00 PM

Apparently wants to achieve a better deal for the future of her children. Just in the end it becomes very tiring all this situation.

Duke of Marmalade 05-14-2015 02:16 PM

I agree, if she would give up her rights as a favour to the institution she would have done it by now.

Marengo 06-12-2015 03:34 AM

Posts regarding the King withdrawing the Ducal title of his sister have been moved here:

http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ml#post1789211

An Ard Ri 06-17-2015 03:42 PM

The home of Cristina and Inaki sells for E6.9 million

La Infanta Cristina e Iñaki Urdangarín venden por fin su casa de Pedralbes por 6,9 millones de euros - Bekia


https://translate.google.ie/translat...-text=&act=url

Marty91charmed 06-17-2015 04:23 PM

Are they broke now? Tell me about it!

Rudolph 06-18-2015 01:32 PM

Spanish Princess Sells Mansion To Pay Bail

Duc_et_Pair 06-18-2015 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty91charmed (Post 1793140)
Are they broke now? Tell me about it!

Broken? They have received almost 7 million Euro for the house in Barcelona... At the moment they have plenty of cash and are awaiting what will be the outcome of the trial.

Marty91charmed 06-18-2015 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 1793570)
Broken? They have received almost 7 million Euro for the house in Barcelona... At the moment they have plenty of cash and are awaiting what will be the outcome of the trial.

I was merely asking:ermm:. But it seems that selling their house in Palma makes sense...

lula 06-18-2015 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 1793570)
Broken? They have received almost 7 million Euro for the house in Barcelona... At the moment they have plenty of cash and are awaiting what will be the outcome of the trial.

They do not have the money ... part of the money went to pay the mortgage they had, as the bank have priority of payment. The rest of the money has been deposited in court to cover part of the bail set by the judge. They need court permission to sell the house.

GracieGiraffe 06-18-2015 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lula (Post 1793653)
They do not have the money ... part of the money went to pay the mortgage they had, as the bank have priority of payment. The rest of the money has been deposited in court to cover part of the bail set by the judge. They need court permission to sell the house.

That's what I thought - there was an outstanding mortgage, and the court placed the assets in escrow.

Interesting issue will come up if one is convicted and the other not (which could very well happen). In the US, I believe the court can sell the property, but half the proceeds from the sale go back to the non-convicted spouse. Unless, it can be shown that the downpayment came from separate funds from either spouse, then the division is different.

Duc_et_Pair 06-18-2015 08:25 PM

Whatever the outcome, we do not have to fear that the Infanta and her children will have to go to the food bank.

Winnie 06-18-2015 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 1793686)
Whatever the outcome, we do not have to fear that the Infanta and her children will have to go to the food bank.

Oh Lord, there was never a question of that happening. I just wish it would get over and done with so those sweet children could just "try" to have normal life. They are the only ones I worry about. Prayers for them.

An Ard Ri 06-30-2015 03:55 PM

The Infanta Cristina should sit on the bench


La Infanta Cristina deber? sentarse en el banquillo | Baleares | EL MUNDO

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Duke of Marmalade 07-17-2015 05:02 AM

Cristina on the title of Vanity Fair
her inner circle tells how much she suffers
Cristina, acorralada: sus íntimos hablan por primera vez | Vanity Fair

maria-olivia 07-17-2015 06:33 AM

I really hope their Summer family holidays will not be the last one for a while.

An Ard Ri 07-17-2015 08:10 AM

Friends of Infanta Cristina come to her defense!

Los amigos de la Infanta Cristina salen en su defensa: "Conocía el trabajo de Urdangarín pero no pensó que fuera algo ilegal" - Bekia

https://translate.google.ie/translat...-text=&act=url

Marty91charmed 07-17-2015 08:39 AM

Oh please! Why are they speaking uo now And she is a intelligent, well-educated woman: frankly, to claim she didn't think that what her husband did was illegal, is an insult to her smartness...

eya 07-17-2015 05:16 PM

Cristina missed too many things from the life he had but unfortunately even if acquitted do not think that anything will change much.
But who blame for this? :sad:

Duc_et_Pair 07-17-2015 05:26 PM

Everyone is free to express him- or herself, also the Infanta and her friends.

An Ard Ri 07-31-2015 07:05 AM

The Court of Palma lowers the amount of the liability bond of the Infanta Cristina.

La Audiencia de Palma rebaja la fianza de la infanta Cristina


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Marty91charmed 07-31-2015 09:35 AM

I haven't follow much of the ongoing trial recently... has a verdict been announced yet?

Winnie 07-31-2015 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 1802293)
Everyone is free to express him- or herself, also the Infanta and her friends.

You are correct, everyone has the right to their own opinion and the freedom of speech to express. None of these opinions means anything in a court of law. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty only in court. That being said, no matter how this turns out, Cristina will always be under a black cloud the rest of her life and most feels she will deserve all she gets. The children do not deserve any of this. They are 100% innocent but this trial will follow them for the rest of their young lives. That is what I think is awful. That is also what their parents must live with for the rest of their lives. Was the money worth it?

GracieGiraffe 07-31-2015 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty91charmed (Post 1805951)
I haven't follow much of the ongoing trial recently... has a verdict been announced yet?

Are you kidding? I think I will have great-grandchildren before this verdict is announced. :tongue:

Winnie 07-31-2015 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GracieGiraffe (Post 1805992)
Are you kidding? I think I will have great-grandchildren before this verdict is announced. :tongue:

Now that made me laugh. But I agree that this is taking just too long to get to trial. I still say that if the judge didn't "see" something amiss in the official papers submitted, he would have cancelled all counts on Cristina long ago. Maybe just something small [of course compared to her Inaki] but a broken law never-the-less. What is the time limit for a speedy trial in Spain, or don't they actually have one? I know America has pages and pages explaining that their citizens have the 'right to a speedy trial'.

To me it seems like the longer this case takes before coming before the judge, the more deals and trade-off can take place. Shame to say, but I doubt if Cristina wasn't the daughter and sister of Kings, this trial would have been finished years ago. Aren't others already serving time for this crime?

carlota 09-18-2015 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winnie (Post 1806017)
Now that made me laugh. But I agree that this is taking just too long to get to trial. I still say that if the judge didn't "see" something amiss in the official papers submitted, he would have cancelled all counts on Cristina long ago. Maybe just something small [of course compared to her Inaki] but a broken law never-the-less. What is the time limit for a speedy trial in Spain, or don't they actually have one? I know America has pages and pages explaining that their citizens have the 'right to a speedy trial'.

To me it seems like the longer this case takes before coming before the judge, the more deals and trade-off can take place. Shame to say, but I doubt if Cristina wasn't the daughter and sister of Kings, this trial would have been finished years ago. Aren't others already serving time for this crime?

i agree, it's possible and very likely that if someone else would have done something similar, they would have been convicted some time ago. this has been dragging for 4 years and still no resolution. to me, it's clear they are trying to find an "easy way out" for cristina and possibly for iñaki, and i'm hoping that for once they don't allow that to happen. i am hopeful in the judge instructing the case. he demonstrated he isn't afraid of anything and did his job rightly. but i have no doubts casa real is behind this and closely following any events to try and get them out of this mess they got themselves in.

Mbruno 09-18-2015 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlota (Post 1821412)
i agree, it's possible and very likely that if someone else would have done something similar, they would have been convicted some time ago. this has been dragging for 4 years and still no resolution. to me, it's clear they are trying to find an "easy way out" for cristina and possibly for iñaki, and i'm hoping that for once they don't allow that to happen. i am hopeful in the judge instructing the case. he demonstrated he isn't afraid of anything and did his job rightly. but i have no doubts casa real is behind this and closely following any events to try and get them out of this mess they got themselves in.

I see it the other way around: the State attorney actually asked for the charges against Cristina to be dropped as he saw no legal case against her. However, because she was the King's daughter and the judge is probably a republican who wanted to embarass the monarchy, he sent her to trial against the recommendation of the prosecutor himself.

Winnie 09-18-2015 04:37 PM

Mbruno, both scenarios could be correct. We will never know 100%, But the fact is we all can have our own opinion and express it here even though it won't mean a hill of beans in court. We just have to hope correct justice is served. Heck, some people are still trying to find out how JFK really died. Even when this case is over, there will always be believers and disbelievers.

GracieGiraffe 09-18-2015 06:35 PM

My question is whether this time frame is typical of a similar case in Spain. If not, then perhaps everyone is not equal under the laws. Whether that is working for or against the defendants in this case I don't know.

Winnie 09-19-2015 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GracieGiraffe (Post 1821468)
My question is whether this time frame is typical of a similar case in Spain. If not, then perhaps everyone is not equal under the laws. Whether that is working for or against the defendants in this case I don't know.

I doubt that there has ever been a case like this in Spain. Probably why it is taking so long. I certainly would not want to be this judge. You are right, time frame is really a bit much, but we don't know the entire story. So who can really tell what piles of documents are being presented. I always wondered how many people are involved in helping this judge and marvel that not one of them has leaked any really interesting or damming true information. Admiration to them all.

lula 10-06-2015 05:50 AM

The trial will begin on January 11, 2016

La Infanta Cristina se sentar? en el banquillo el 11 de enero por el caso N?os | Baleares | EL MUNDO

An Ard Ri 10-06-2015 07:09 AM

From Bekia :previous:

https://webmail.eir.ie/service/home/...auth=co&disp=i

Marengo 10-06-2015 07:47 AM

Good that they finally set a date. Let's hope this circus has come to an end by this time next year. It is the open wound of the Spanish RF and the sooner it is history the better.

An Ard Ri 10-06-2015 08:32 AM

Though not the best starts to 2016 I'm glad a date has been set for this ongoing palava.

Tilia C. 10-06-2015 08:51 AM

Better not get your hopes up too soon. There might still be a thousand ways to delay and disrupt the process. This can still go on for a long time.

eya 10-06-2015 11:02 AM

So with good morning 2016 and the trial starts. And along and all the circus through the media imagine. Hopefully in 2016 to finish in any way.

carlota 10-06-2015 01:03 PM

Quote:

Infanta Cristina of Spain's trial will begin on January 11. She faces tax fraud charges. She will face up to eight years in jail if she is found guilty. Her husband, Inaki Urdangarin could spent up to 19 years in jail, if he is found guilty.
Spain’s Princess Cristina to Stand Trial - WSJ

Spain's Princess Cristina to stand trial on tax fraud charges | World news | The Guardian

Spain's Princess Cristina tax fraud trial to start in January | Reuters

principessa 10-06-2015 01:32 PM

Has he already have been convicted?

GracieGiraffe 10-06-2015 02:10 PM

Not convinced this will go ahead in January. This trial will be long and protracted. It will take the judge an even longer time to render a decision. Then there will be appeals, up and down, up and down (the Amanda Knox case in Italy comes to mind).

If you think this will be resolved this time next year....:lol::lol::lol:

wyevale 10-06-2015 02:16 PM

Quote:

If you think this will be resolved this time next year....

"The wheels of justice grind exceeding fine, and exceeding SLOW"...

An Ard Ri 11-12-2015 07:08 AM

Looks like there was a mix up with addresses

The Court of Palma fails to deliver the summons to Inaki Urdangarin

Iñaki Urdangarín está desaparecido: La Audiencia de Palma no consigue entregarle la citación judicial - Bekia

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Marty91charmed 11-12-2015 10:04 AM

What does that mean? He has not a proper adress at the moment?:eek:

Tilia C. 11-12-2015 10:41 AM

It is a strange report indeed. The judge knew that the house in Pedalbres was sold, it is public knowledge that the Urdangarins live in Switzerland right now, and the law court knows how to contact his lawyer. It's not as if Inaki were in hiding. Imo, this no big deal. Just an article blowing up something out of proportion.

eya 11-12-2015 11:25 AM

It's a bit strange and excessive article. Surely this is a formality. Much Ado About Nothing.

GracieGiraffe 11-12-2015 03:06 PM

It might be a very big deal. If a person is not served in the manner dictated by law (no matter how aware of the proceedings they actually are), and by the date dictated by law for a January 11 trial (again, no matter how aware they actually are), it might mean the trial must be pushed back.

Winnie 11-12-2015 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GracieGiraffe (Post 1838192)
It might be a very big deal. If a person is not served in the manner dictated by law (no matter how aware of the proceedings they actually are), and by the date dictated by law for a January 11 trial (again, no matter how aware they actually are), it might mean the trial must be pushed back.

Yes, true in America, but same in Spain? If so, sounds a bit like palm greasing to staff member. And the world turns again for another day.......same old; same old.

GracieGiraffe 11-12-2015 05:46 PM

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Yes, true in America, but same in Spain? If so, sounds a bit like palm greasing to staff member. And the world turns again for another day.......same old; same old.

I'm not sure. We'll see. And yes, I find it hard to believe they got the address wrong...unless of course, government workers in Spain are not much different than the American ones. :lol:

royal rob 11-13-2015 01:42 AM

It's really like something out of a movie, question is drama or comedy ??


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NotHRH 12-01-2015 12:50 AM

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I see it the other way around: the State attorney actually asked for the charges against Cristina to be dropped as he saw no legal case against her. However, because she was the King's daughter and the judge is probably a republican who wanted to embarass the monarchy, he sent her to trial against the recommendation of the prosecutor himself.

I do not know the intracracies of the crime HRH Infanta Cristina is accused of. But to say automatically that the judge is republican (=anti-monarchy) and only trying to embarrass the monarchy, shows you are pro-monarchy and not republican. Even if she stands trial, and is convicted, she will have been convicted of a civil crime, and as a "HRH Infanta of Spain" it is almost positive the worst punishment she will receive is a slap on the wrist (=nothing will happen to her, or even her husband). Personally I feel if she has committed a crime, she should do time (but as long as JC is alive, that will never happen because the cash flow to keep her free was, is, and will continue to flow.) Cha-ching!

SnowBirds 12-01-2015 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Winnie (Post 1838229)
Yes, true in America, but same in Spain? If so, sounds a bit like palm greasing to staff member. And the world turns again for another day.......same old; same old.

I so agree with you for that is a time old thing to do to keep a family member safe regardless of what they have done. In reading about her alleged money laundering, she is a very intelligent woman, educated, worked in positions of trust, knows the means and way of money through her life, she is not a dumb bunny by any stretch of the means, so if she is found guilty, then she should pay the price, as they say, do the crime, do the time. Will she go to jail, of course not, money talks in this world of ours and always has. Things like that are going on right now.....same ole, same ole.:flowers:

Any idea when the trial starts of either of them? Shouldn't it be coming up after the 1t of the year sometime!

NotHRH 12-01-2015 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SnowBirds (Post 1843708)
I so agree with you for that is a time old thing to do to keep a family member safe regardless of what they have done. In reading about her alleged money laundering, she is a very intelligent woman, educated, worked in positions of trust, knows the means and way of money through her life, she is not a dumb bunny by any stretch of the means, so if she is found guilty, then she should pay the price, as they say, do the crime, do the time. Will she go to jail, of course not, money talks in this world of ours and always has. Things like that are going on right now.....same ole, same ole.:flowers:

Any idea when the trial starts of either of them? Shouldn't it be coming up after the 1t of the year sometime!

We are in agreement. As the saying goes, "money talks, bull$**+ walks."

TheRoyalCourtisane 12-01-2015 03:11 PM

I dont think I believe she may get a lighter sentence than required by the law but Inaki will get the pain of his sentence

An Ard Ri 12-18-2015 06:03 PM

The Infanta Cristina and Inaki Urdangarin return to Barcelona to prepare for trial in the case Nóos

La infanta Cristina e Iñaki Urdangarin regresan a Barcelona para preparar el juicio por el caso Nóos

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Marty91charmed 12-18-2015 06:11 PM

Despite everything, it must be awful fo them returning there with the awareness of what is ahead.


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