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bjanka66 05-30-2004 08:04 AM

Moroccan Royal Names and Titles
 
IS her title the Queen? ,or first lady?? :unsure:

Monalisa 05-30-2004 08:18 AM

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Originally posted by bjanka66@May 30th, 2004 - 7:04 am
IS her title the Queen? ,or first lady?? :unsure:
She's the actual moroccan king's wife,so she's the first lady of morocco,and she holds "princess" as title,since in morocco,she couldn't get the title of "queen" because she doesn't managing the country,the same like prince consort of Great-Britain,he has as title "prince" because he's the queen's wife,and he couldn't have as title "king" ;)

silver charm 05-30-2004 09:07 AM

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She's the actual moroccan king's wife,so she's the first lady of morocco,and she holds "princess" as title,since in morocco,she couldn't get the title of "queen" because she doesn't managing the country,the same like prince consort of Great-Britain,he has as title "prince" because he's the queen's wife,and he couldn't have as title "king" ;)
Before Lalla Salma the king's wife had the great title of 'Mother of the Princes'. She wasn't even a princess. M6 made his wife a princess to break the mold and allow his wife to have a title & identity. It's part of M6's campaign to bring his country to the forefront -men and women together.

rchainho 10-08-2004 01:07 PM

Moroccan Royal Names and Titles
 
Can you explain me why?

Layla27 10-08-2004 01:35 PM

The word "Lalla" means "Lady" in english.



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Originally Posted by rchainho
Can you explain me why?


galuhcandrakirana 01-27-2005 09:39 AM

I have read in this thread that Salma doesn't have title queen then I have a question : How does Moroccan called/refer their King's wife in formal event (as we called Madame President for president wife). Is Lalla Salma referred as Lala Salma (princess Salma) the first lady of morocco or Lala salma the wife of King of marocco or just Lala Salma (without telling her position) or do they have any special reffering title for her for formal events?.
If she is just referred as Lala Salma, it will be difficult for somebody who doesn't know well this family (let say: the foreigner guests who attend the same event) to recognise which one is the king's wife, especially since King's sisters (who have the same title with Salma) often attend many formal events with the king and his wife. Thanks.

Layla27 01-27-2005 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by galuhcandrakirana
I have read in this thread that Salma doesn't have title queen then I have a question : How does Moroccan called/refer their King's wife in formal event (as we called Madame President for president wife). Is Lalla Salma referred as Lala Salma (princess Salma) the first lady of morocco or Lala salma the wife of King of marocco or just Lala Salma (without telling her position) or do they have any special reffering title for her for formal events?.
If she is just referred as Lala Salma, it will be difficult for somebody who doesn't know well this family (let say: the foreigner guests who attend the same event) to recognise which one is the king's wife, especially since King's sisters (who have the same title with Salma) often attend many formal events with the king and his wife. Thanks.

People usually refer to her as Princess Lalla Salma (formal speeches as in news on TV and newspapers) or Lalla Salma (informal when talking to friends and family about the princess). All Moroccans know who she :).
In the same way, they refer to the kings siblings by Princess Lalla Maryem, Princess Lalla Asame, Princess Lalla Hasnae. Nobody ever says : Princess Lalla XXX sister of King Mohamed VI. The link is obvious.
Members of the royal family are very known in Morocco and diplomats attendign official events and ceremonies definitely know who they are.

Queenie 05-23-2005 09:00 AM

If this has been asked please forgive the repeat. But
 
why isn't Princess Lalla Queen Lalla?

Layla27 05-24-2005 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Queenie
why isn't Princess Lalla Queen Lalla?

A moroccan King is a king that rules. He is the head of the state. As such two people can't have the same title. It would be like giving Mrs Bush, the title of president.

Humera 05-24-2005 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Layla27
A moroccan King is a king that rules. He is the head of the state. As such two people can't have the same title. It would be like giving Mrs Bush, the title of president.

actually I think the answer to Queenie's question isnt that simple.
There are many countries where the wife of the monarch is called Queen (Jordan, Norway, Sweden, Spain, Brunei etc). And everyone knows that those women do not share their husband's authority, they are however "Queen consorts."
Now the same isnt true if a woman is the monarch, like the queens of Great Britain, Denmark, Netherlands. The husbands of these women aren't King but "Prince consorts"
Though centuries ago when a European female monarch married her husband was called King. But that was a different time.
Back to Lalla Salma. I dont see why being called Queen would mean that she is sharing her husband's title, it seems to work fine in other countries.
But then maybe in Morocco it doesnt work that way.

Layla27 05-25-2005 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ~*~Humera~*~
actually I think the answer to Queenie's question isnt that simple.
There are many countries where the wife of the monarch is called Queen (Jordan, Norway, Sweden, Spain, Brunei etc). And everyone knows that those women do not share their husband's authority, they are however "Queen consorts."
Now the same isnt true if a woman is the monarch, like the queens of Great Britain, Denmark, Netherlands. The husbands of these women aren't King but "Prince consorts"
Though centuries ago when a European female monarch married her husband was called King. But that was a different time.
Back to Lalla Salma. I dont see why being called Queen would mean that she is sharing her husband's title, it seems to work fine in other countries.
But then maybe in Morocco it doesnt work that way.

That means the moroccan constitution needs to be modified to introduce the position of "consort queen" :cool: .

Frothy 06-28-2005 06:25 AM

So is P. Lalla the wife of the King and why is she not called a Queen? anyone know, I'm confused.

khadijalove 06-28-2005 07:51 AM

cause the king of morocco sad in a interviuew that in the islam a woman can not rule and can not care a name as Queen...

thats why he gave her the titel of princess

Frothy 06-28-2005 10:31 AM

Interesting because the Jordanians have a Queen and they are Muslims. A Queen consort does not rule.

Has there ever been a Queen of Morocco?

khadijalove 06-28-2005 10:33 AM

no never we never had a Queen in morocco only princesses

Layla27 06-28-2005 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Frothy
So is P. Lalla the wife of the King and why is she not called a Queen? anyone know, I'm confused.

Because the moroccan constitution doesn't allow the existence of a queen.

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Originally Posted by Frothy
Has there ever been a Queen of Morocco?

No never. The culture and traditions of the country don't allow it.

yazz 06-28-2005 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Layla27
Because the moroccan constitution doesn't allow the existence of a queen.

The constituion has nothing to do with. It's the usage.

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Originally Posted by Layla27
No never. The culture and traditions of the country don't allow it.

Wrong. Maybe you should read a book by a famous moroccan writer on muslims queens, even in Morocco, before the Alawite dinasty.

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Humera 06-28-2005 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by khadijalove
cause the king of morocco sad in a interviuew that in the islam a woman can not rule and can not care a name as Queen...

Did King Muhammad say that?
Im surprised because that is an absolutely false claim.
The King can speak for Morocco if he likes but he shouldnt make such claims on behalf of the entire Muslim population. All one needs is to read up on Islamic history and they'll find Muslim Queens.
As for Queen consorts, there are many of them today. Morocco is an exception.

amina1 06-28-2005 06:24 PM

I remember reading this particular interview, he exactly said "...there is no queen in islam"
Were there muslim queens by the way?


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