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Cory 07-04-2014 04:19 PM

HI&RH Archduke Lorenz of Austria-Este and the Heirs of the Duchy of Modena
 
It is interesting HIRH Archduke Amedeo of Habsburg, Heir to the titular Este Duchy of Modena, gets married in Rome and not in Modena:


Amedeo d’Austria Este sposo : Viva il Re

Tilia C. 07-04-2014 04:45 PM

But wasn't Rome chosen because of Elisabetta's ties with the city? It is traditional that the wedding takes place in the bride place, though of course the couple can agree on another place.

Cory, could you explain why AD Lorenz, as a 2nd son, became heir of the duchy of Modena?

Cory 07-04-2014 06:00 PM

After 1875 the title passed to Archduke Franz Ferdinand. Archduke Robert had than the title (and than his son) because the first brother had to inherit the austrian Throne.

MAfan 07-05-2014 08:00 AM

:previous:
More precisely, Duke Francesco V of Modena in his last will appointed as his heir Archduke Franz Ferdinand, under condition that he assumed the surname of Austria-Este (and not of Habsburg-Este, as it is often reported). In case Franz Ferdinand predeceased Duke Francesco or in case he wouldn't accept the condition, the heir would be the next younger brother of Franz Ferdinand, under the same condition (and in case any of the sons of Archduke Karl Ludwig couldn't inherit, the heir of Duke Francesco would be in equal shares his nephews Don Carlos and Don Alfonso de Borbon).

In 1875 Duke Francesco died and Archduke Franz Ferdinand became his heir, and therefore assumed the title of Archduke of Austria-Este. In 1900 he married morganatically, so his descendants were inegible to inherit his titles. So his heir presumptive became his brother Otto. Otto died in 1906 and then the heir presumptive became his son Karl.

In 1907 in his will Archduke Franz Ferdinand appointed Karl as the heir to the Modena inheritance, under the condition that he assumed the surname of Austria-Este.

After the death of Franz Ferdinand in 1914, Karl therefore assumed the name and the arms of the House of Este and became Archduke of Austria-Este.

He also became Emperor in 1916. So in 1917 he decided to transfer the title and rights on the Este inheritance to his second son Robert (and not to the eldest son Otto, because Otto was the heir to the Imperial throne), and in turn Roberto assumed the title of Archduke of Austria-Este. The same title is currently used by his children and male line descendants.

maria-olivia 07-05-2014 09:04 AM

Thanks MAfan,
The only one to-day who wears officially the tittle is Archduke Martin of Austria-Este (thanks for correcting), as Prince Lorenz wears the title of Prince of Belgium.

Duc_et_Pair 07-05-2014 09:09 AM

The title is indeed Archduke (Archduchess) of Austria-Este. The confusion is there because Austria does not accept "Austria(-Este)" as surname and consequently speaks about "Habsburg-Este" which is not correct. The title "Archiduc (Archiduchesse) d'Austria-Este" or "Aartshertog (Aartshertogin) van Oostenrijk-Este" or "Erzherzog (Erzherzogin) von Österreich-Este" is officially registered and used in Belgium.

Cory 07-05-2014 10:47 AM

HIRH Archduke Lorenz has never given up to his titles linked with the Modena inheritance even if he is also Prince of Belgium.

Cory 03-03-2016 07:59 PM

Why does the titular Duke of Midena gets envolved in Romanian affairs?

MAfan 03-04-2016 04:58 AM

You should ask the question to who has appointed him as a member of the Romanian Royal Council.

maria-olivia 03-04-2016 10:36 AM

On Royal Musings Marlène K. published the document with the 5 signatures of the Romanian Royal Concil.
The first was Lorenz of Austria-Este.

He is not involved and Prince of Belgium .

Duc_et_Pair 03-04-2016 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1683725)
HIRH Archduke Lorenz has never given up to his titles linked with the Modena inheritance even if he is also Prince of Belgium.

Only the title Archduke of Austria-Este is incorporated in the offcial registry in Belgium. No mention of any other title like Duke of Modena, see link. It is the same with the De Bourbon de Parme incorporation in the official registry in the Netherlands: also there no mention of any other title like Duke of Parma.

Royal Decree concening the granting of the title Prince of Belgium to Archduke Lorenz of Austria-Este.

10 November 1995, Nr 30

Article 1
In all concerning public and private acts Archduke Lorenz Otto Carl Amedeus of Austria-Este, spouse of Our beloved daughter Princess Astrid Joséphine Charlotte Fabrizia Elisabeth Paola Marie, Princess of Belgium, shall bear the title Prince of Belgium. The title follows after his own names and titles.

Article 2
Our Prime Minister and Our Minister of Foreign Affairs are charged with the execution of this decree.

Given in Brussels, the 10th of November 1995

ALBERT

For the King:

The Prime Minister
J.-L. Dehaene

The Minister of Foreign Affairs
E. Derycke

Cory 03-05-2016 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAfan (Post 1868692)
You should ask the question to who has appointed him as a member of the Romanian Royal Council.

I suppose that would be really difficult.

Ceallach 03-05-2016 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1868622)
Why does the titular Duke of Midena gets envolved in Romanian affairs?

Of those listed: Anneli is a romanian historian/journalist/political scientist, Vlad and Vasiliu are lawyers, pochelon, popper, and lorenz are bankers. Lorenz is likely involved as a financial advisor/estate manager, not as a prince. Being a prince may have made him a more desirable as a financial advisor due to the nature of the estate.

maria-olivia 03-05-2016 11:36 AM

You are right, Archduke Lorenz is the only Royal who has a job among his Generation of Princes in Belgium.
He certainly is a good financial estate/advisor for the Romanian Royal Family.

Since his wedding 1986 no faux pas ! Well done!!


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