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Mirabel 05-09-2014 07:04 AM

Royal engagement rings
 
Kate's ring is the most famous in the world and has increased in value 10 TIMES: Celebrity engagement ring inflation | Mail Online



Who says jewels aren't a good investment?

When Charles first purchased this ring, it seemed so costly; now it seems quite low-priced. :smile:

There are some who feel William shouldn't have given Kate a used ring, but why purchase a new one and let so many others lie in a vault?
I think it was a lovely gesture!

Duc_et_Pair 05-09-2014 04:16 PM

The Daily Mail is just blowing up the story with theoretical suggestions. They can never say that the engagement ring has been increased in value simply because it was never offered for sale (and most likely will never ever be offered for sale). So any guess is as good as it gets...

I think it was a lovely gesture by Prince William to give his fiancée a heirloom ring which was cherished by his mother. When the future fiancée of Prince George will receive the same ring, then a nice tradition has born...

:flowers:

Molly2101 05-09-2014 04:21 PM

I have never been a fan of Diana's ring but I am sure it is to some tastes. I didn't like Sarah's ring either but that is because I much prefer plain diamonds as opposed to rubies and sapphires. I loved the Queen's ring and Sophie's ring, though Sophie doesn't wear hers anymore. She wears a band with 10 diamonds in it and her wedding band.

Mirabel 05-09-2014 05:30 PM

That's odd; why doesn't Sophie wear it? I thought Edward designed it for her?

Molly2101 05-09-2014 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mirabel (Post 1663882)
That's odd; why doesn't Sophie wear it? I thought Edward designed it for her?

The one she wears appears to have been an anniversary gift as she wasn't wearing it before her anniversary in 2012 and after her anniversary she was seen wearing it. She hasn't worn her engagement ring since. It's a beautiful ring and worth a few bob too!

Duchess of Durham 05-09-2014 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 1663865)
The Daily Mail is just blowing up the story with theoretical suggestions. They can never say that the engagement ring has been increased in value simply because it was never offered for sale (and most likely will never ever be offered for sale). So any guess is as good as it gets...

I think it was a lovely gesture by Prince William to give his fiancée a heirloom ring which was cherished by his mother. When the future fiancée of Prince George will receive the same ring, then a nice tradition has born...

:flowers:

I have a beautiful diamond ring that even though I do not want to sell recently had it appraised and the value went up tremendously since the time it was purchased, late 80's. Jewelry does go up in value even though one has not intention of selling it.

Osipi 05-09-2014 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 1663865)
I think it was a lovely gesture by Prince William to give his fiancée a heirloom ring which was cherished by his mother. When the future fiancée of Prince George will receive the same ring, then a nice tradition has born...

It may happen but I'd be willing to be that if Kate is still alive and still wearing the ring on a daily basis as she is now, I don't think it'd be George's to give to a fiancee. Then again, in time, Kate may decide to wear a different ring with meaning such as Sophie has done and pass the sapphire engagement ring onto George. Only time will tell.

Skippyboo 05-09-2014 06:22 PM

George could use the Queen's engagement ring. Charles used one of the Queen Mum's rings for Camilla's ring.

Osipi 05-09-2014 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Skippyboo (Post 1663889)
George could use the Queen's engagement ring. Charles used one of the Queen Mum's rings for Camilla's ring.

Now that is a perfect scenario to imagine. What better engagement ring for a future Queen Consort than one that was worn for 60+ years by a Queen? I really like this.

Noble Consort Ming 05-09-2014 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Duchess of Durham (Post 1663886)
I have a beautiful diamond ring that even though I do not want to sell recently had it appraised and the value went up tremendously since the time it was purchased, late 80's. Jewelry does go up in value even though one has not intention of selling it.

I had a diamond ring that kept appraising for more and more. But such appraisals are generally for insurance purposes and are supposed to cover the cost of replacing the stone with a new one of equal quality. If you actually go to sell such a stone it will not sell for anything near the appraised value. The center stone of my old engagement ring cost a little over 5k almost 15 years ago. The last appraisal was for almost 10k. It sold for less than 2k and I shopped it around and couldn't get any higher offer.

Of course jewelry owned by royalty will always increase in value because of it's connections to the owners.

Iluvbertie 05-09-2014 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Osipi (Post 1663894)
Now that is a perfect scenario to imagine. What better engagement ring for a future Queen Consort than one that was worn for 60+ years by a Queen? I really like this.

I wouldn't be surprised if The Queen leaves her engagement ring to one of her granddaughters with Louise a strong possibility as she won't know her grandmother for as long as the others and probably won't have The Queen at her wedding so having her engagement ring on her finger could be link to her.

Pranter 05-09-2014 10:13 PM

She (the Queen) may well leave it to Harry.


LaRae

Osipi 05-09-2014 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Noble Consort Ming (Post 1663937)
I had a diamond ring that kept appraising for more and more. But such appraisals are generally for insurance purposes and are supposed to cover the cost of replacing the stone with a new one of equal quality. If you actually go to sell such a stone it will not sell for anything near the appraised value. The center stone of my old engagement ring cost a little over 5k almost 15 years ago. The last appraisal was for almost 10k. It sold for less than 2k and I shopped it around and couldn't get any higher offer.

Of course jewelry owned by royalty will always increase in value because of it's connections to the owners.

Having once been in a relationship with a goldsmith/jeweler, I can remember well what he told me. As a rule of thumb, as far as resale, its the norm to expect to get 10 cents on the dollar. Insurance wise, you would get what the appraised value would be.

Royal pieces and historical jewelry have that added oomph to up its value.

Skippyboo 05-09-2014 10:34 PM

IMO, it would be a bad move for the Queen to leave her jewelry to other people than the next monarch. If its monarch to monarch, there isn't any death duties on it. It keeps the jewelry from Victoria, Alexandria, Mary, and the 2 Elizabeths together. We have already seen David and Sarah sell Margaret's jewels at auction. Plus the guy normally supplies the ring. Louise is 10. She is actually going to remember her Granny unlike George if the Queen doesn't live until 100.

Iluvbertie 05-10-2014 12:00 AM

The Queen will leave things - or even have already given them - to her grandchildren. For instance she may have drawn up a 'deed of trust' for her jewellery stipulating which private pieces are to go to whom and as long as she lives 7 years after drawing up that deed there is no death duties.

Louise might remember her granny but the chances that her granny will be at her wedding are slim.

It seems as if there are many people here who don't want anything to go to the Queen's other grandchildren but for it all to go to Charles' line - and to be totally consistent that also means nothing for Harry as he isn't the future monarch either.

The Queen, fortunately sees her grandchildren differently to many here - she has 8 grandchildren and 4 great-grandchildren and although she knows there is a specified for two of those 12 people she knows that the other 10 have their own way to make in the world and so will leave them quite a lot.

Going on past evidence she will have sizeable trust funds for her three younger children and their children but not for Charles (as he will get the bulk of her estate). She will surely have left some jewellery to her own daughter and granddaughters - just as earlier monarchs left it to their younger children.

LadyMichele 05-10-2014 12:22 AM

Wouldn't it be nice for Zara to receive Her Majesty's ring? Zara is not only the eldest granddaughter, but also the granddaughter without any royal status (the other granddaughters have royal status since they were born of the male line).

It would be a nice gesture for the Queen to acknowledge Zara in this way.

Skippyboo 05-10-2014 12:24 AM

However, it makes sense for certain items like tiaras and such to stay with the current monarch of the time and be loaned out when necessary. Zara, Autumn, Savannah, Isla, Mia, future York grand kids have little need of a tiara outside from a wedding day. While Kate and future George's wife do.

Osipi 05-10-2014 12:30 AM

Speaking of Louise remembering her grandmother, I think when it comes down to it, the most memorable moments Louise will cherish are the memories she has riding horses with granny. It looks to me like Louise is a natural born horsewoman and I think HM realizes that.

When it comes to what is important when remembering a beloved grandmother, I think for the most part, it doesn't involve jewelry.

Molly2101 05-10-2014 04:35 AM

Did any of the other Queen's leave their engagement rings? If not then I don't see why the Queen would. Most girls receive new ones in today's world, and I am sure most of the Windsor women would rather that as having to wear one with such history (such as Catherine's) is quite a burden. Admittedly Diana's ring is quite different as it stands out, whereas the Queen's isn't that "extraordinary" in terms of colour.

Duc_et_Pair 05-10-2014 05:33 AM

Most Queens were still alive when their eldest child engaged:
Queen Sonja - Haakon & Mette-Marit
Queen Silvia - Victoria & Daniel
Queen Margrethe - Frederik & Mary
Queen Beatrix - Willem-Alexander & Máxima
Queen Paola - Philippe & Mathilde
Grand Duchess Maria Teresa - Guillaume & Stéphanie
Princess Marie Aglaë - Aloïs & Sophie
Queen Sofía - Felipe & Letizia

The only two cases where the mother was no longer alive during the engagement: Prince William and Prince Albert. So the mothers(-in-law) are all still very much alive and most likely attached to their engagement rings.

There are also other royal engagement rings with a coloured stone. The Prince of Orange himself designed a ring for his fiancée, Máxima Zorreguieta Cerruti. Very fitting for the ring was the central stone: a very rare oval cut orange diamond, flanked by two emerald-cut diamonds and surrounded by two bands of brilliants. The ring was made by the Court Jeweller (Steltman, The Hague) and is an example of a very costly and symbolic ring for a lady to marry into the illustrious House of Orange-Nassau.

Source picture: modekoninginmaxima.nl http://www.modekoninginmaxima.nl/sit...vingsring1.jpg


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