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Marengo 03-17-2014 03:29 AM

Prince Amedeo of Belgium and Elisabetta Rosboch, 5 July 2014
 
Archduke & Prince Amedeo will marry Lily Rosboch von Wolkenstein on July 5th 2014 in Rome.

Prins Amedeo en Lili Rosboch maken bekend waar en wanneer ze... - De Standaard

Marengo 06-30-2014 05:46 AM

The entire Belgian royal family is expected to attend, except Queen Fabiola as her health is not strong enough. Princesses Laeticia Marie, Elisabeth and Louise will be bridesmaids.

Prinses Elisabeth wordt bruidsmeisje - HLN.be

maria-olivia 06-30-2014 06:44 AM

Thanks Marengo for starting their wedding thread .

biru 06-30-2014 08:39 AM

Can't wait to see Lili's wedding dress :D

Will Netherland and Luxembourg royals will attend the royal wedding as well?

Marengo 06-30-2014 08:47 AM

I would be surprised if there were any Dutch guests. Maybe Constantijn and Laurentien as they live in Brussels and Laurentien and Astrid attended several events fo the European Cultural Fund together. But I doubt that any of them know the groom and bride well (different age group). But who knows?

It wouldn't be unlikely if there will be a few members of the Lux, Habsburg, Liechtenstein, Ligne etc. royals & nobles there though. It will be interesting to see if the head of the Habsburg family will attend, I wouldn't hold my breath for it. Other interesting guests can be from the brides side: the Agnelli's/Elkann's.

maria-olivia 06-30-2014 09:04 AM

No foreign royal guests , it is a private wedding !
The best thing is to watch VTM , Royalty on Sunday 6th of July 6 pm.

Cris M 06-30-2014 09:09 AM

Any information on the bride's future title?

Marengo 06-30-2014 09:12 AM

Not that I am aware of. But according to art. 113 of the Belgian constitution people married into the royal family can only get the title HRH Prince(ss) X of Belgium by a royal decree. There were royal decrees for Mathilde, Lorenz and Claire. It is unlikely that they will do that for Elisabetta, so my guess is that she will 'use' her husbands title out of courtesy, so HRH Princess Amedeo, just like Princess Alexandre (Léa Wolman) is used.

It will be interesting to see what title their children will get. With the downsizing trend at various courts I think it is unlikely that they will become HRH Princes of Belgium too, as it means that in the next generation there may be 100 people with such a title around. However, under the current law, all legal descendants of King Albert II are entitled to such a title.

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And back to the wedding: according to VTM the service will be in the Santa Maria in Trastevere basilica.

Pictures: https://www.google.nl/search?q=Santa...w=1029&bih=668

sancakli70 06-30-2014 09:53 AM

Can we watch it on tv? Very interesting

maria-olivia 06-30-2014 10:58 AM

I hope the Prince will wear the Order of the Golden Fleece as his Father.

Marchesina 06-30-2014 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marengo (Post 1682145)
Not that I am aware of. But according to art. 113 of the Belgian constitution people married into the royal family can only get the title HRH Prince(ss) X of Belgium by a royal decree. There were royal decrees for Mathilde, Lorenz and Claire. It is unlikely that they will do that for Elisabetta, so my guess is that she will 'use' her husbands title out of courtesy, so HRH Princess Amedeo, just like Princess Alexandre (Léa Wolman) is used.

It will be interesting to see what title their children will get. With the downsizing trend at various courts I think it is unlikely that they will become HRH Princes of Belgium too, as it means that in the next generation there may be 100 people with such a title around. However, under the current law, all legal descendants of King Albert II are entitled to such a title.

----
And back to the wedding: according to VTM the service will be in the Santa Maria in Trastevere basilica.

Pictures: https://www.google.nl/search?q=Santa...w=1029&bih=668


yes it'll take place there. The french-speaking show "Place Royale" showed the church and talked to the rector of the parish.
Also...it's not like Amedeo and Lili's children won't have any title if Philippe doesn't grant them the "princes of Belgium" one

Marengo 06-30-2014 11:53 AM

Not a legal title, the Habsburg title is not recognised in Belgium (or anywhere else).

An Ard Ri 07-02-2014 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marengo (Post 1682145)
Not that I am aware of. But according to art. 113 of the Belgian constitution people married into the royal family can only get the title HRH Prince(ss) X of Belgium by a royal decree. There were royal decrees for Mathilde, Lorenz and Claire. It is unlikely that they will do that for Elisabetta, so my guess is that she will 'use' her husbands title out of courtesy, so HRH Princess Amedeo, just like Princess Alexandre (Léa Wolman) is used.

It will be interesting to see what title their children will get. With the downsizing trend at various courts I think it is unlikely that they will become HRH Princes of Belgium too, as it means that in the next generation there may be 100 people with such a title around. However, under the current law, all legal descendants of King Albert II are entitled to such a title.

If that trend continued the extended Belgian RF would be one of the largest in the world!

I think you may be right,I think Elisabetta will be styled HIRH Princess Amedeo-Archduchess of Austria-Este.

LadyFinn 07-04-2014 07:02 AM

Prince Nicolae of Romania will attend the wedding.
Principele Nicolae participă la nunta Principelui Amedeo al Belgiei Familia Regală a României Royal Family of Romania
Translation

*Mara* 07-04-2014 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 1682773)
If that trend continued the extended Belgian RF would be one of the largest in the world!

I think you may be right,I think Elisabetta will be styled HIRH Princess Amedeo-Archduchess of Austria-Este.

If Lili is styled Princess of Belgium or not is a decision that has to be taken by the new government - the one that still has to be formed. So that will take some time. ;) I too think that the RF and the government is well advised to limit the use of the title Princess of Belgium, but I could imagine that Astrid and Lorenz will lobby for the Belgium title.

*Mara* 07-04-2014 11:41 AM

In other news (credit to the great twitter account of Belgian journalist Wim Dehandschutter): the bridal gown will be by an Italian designer, probably Armani. Guillaume of Luxembourg attends the wedding, also many Liechtensteiners. Most members of the Belgian RF are already in town. King Philippe and Prince Laurent will arrive together tomorrow morning. One of Amedeo's witnesses will be a grandson of Valéry Giscard d'Estaing, another one his brother Joachim. Maria Laura will be Lili's witness. The wedding mass will be held by cardinal Danneels and a local priest.




And I'm pretty sure that Amedeo's younger cousins are less than pleased with the timing of the wedding mass. :cool: While the whole of Belgium and all of their friends watch the Red Devils playing their quarter final they have to sit through the service. And the journalists already mentioned they will watch out if smart phones will be checked to keep up with the game. :biggrin:

Duc_et_Pair 07-04-2014 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by *Mara* (Post 1683421)
If Lili is styled Princess of Belgium or not is a decision that has to be taken by the new government - the one that still has to be formed. So that will take some time. ;) I too think that the RF and the government is well advised to limit the use of the title Princess of Belgium, but I could imagine that Astrid and Lorenz will lobby for the Belgium title.

There is no any decision of the Government needed. Also in Belgium the social custom says that the female spouse of a titled gentleman can be addressed with her husband's title(s).

Exactly like a Miss Smith marrying a Count t'Serclaes van Tilly becomes a Countess t'Serclaes van Tilly, a Miss Rosboch von Wolkenstein marrying a Prince of Belgium becomes a Princess of Belgium.

Look at Ms Léa Wolman whom married the late Prince Alexander of Belgium, she became Princess Léa of Belgium without any decision or interference by the Government.

*Mara* 07-04-2014 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 1683427)
There is no any decision of the Government needed. Also in Belgium the social custom says that the female spouse of a titled gentleman can be addressed with her husband's title(s).

Exactly like a Miss Smith marrying a Count t'Serclaes van Tilly becomes a Countess t'Serclaes van Tilly, a Miss Rosboch von Wolkenstein marrying a Prince of Belgium becomes a Princess of Belgium.

Look at Ms Léa Wolman whom married the late Prince Alexander of Belgium, she became Princess Léa of Belgium without any decision or interference by the Government.

True. But there are the recent precedents making Mathilde and Claire Princesses in their own right. And it also has to be decided if Amedeo and Lili's future children are to be included in the line of throne. So the government will be involved anyway.

GömdNatt 07-04-2014 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by *Mara* (Post 1683430)
True. But there are the recent precedents making Mathilde and Claire Princesses in their own right. And it also has to be decided if Amedeo and Lili's future children are to be included in the line of throne. So the government will be involved anyway.

but Mathilde married the heir and Claire married the son of the King. Amedeo is nowhere close to the throne.

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