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leidi 07-09-2013 03:15 PM

Belgian Abdication & Installation: Changes in Titles, Dotation and the Court
 
Is he really using Philippe II? wasn't he going by just Philippe like Baudouin did?

stephanievl 07-09-2013 04:19 PM

I thougt it was just going to be King Philippe since he is the first Belgian King with the naam Philippe. I another King would be names Philippe in the future he will become King Philippe I

Marchesina 07-09-2013 04:57 PM

that's the general rule. I guess it's just the press getting confused. I remember it happened the same with the new pope. for a couple of days, people kept on calling him Francesco I (Francis I) until the Vatican Press Office explained one and for all what was the right way the write the name. so I think that's the same kind of situation

leidi 07-10-2013 06:58 PM

No, I meant the thread goes with "Philippe II", Philippe the SECOND and as far as I know he'll be the first, that's why I am confused...

Marchesina 07-11-2013 06:07 AM

why should he use Philippe II if he's the first? No, no he'll be just King Philippe (Roi Philippe, Koning Filip). when there will be a Philippe II, he will be known as Philippe/Filip I then.

maria-olivia 07-11-2013 07:09 AM

They will be no ermine Glitter but new Royal Uniforms and of Course the Leopold Sash for both. This Order has no Collar.

Te Deum :
Kine Albert II in his bleu Uniform of General 4 Stars , Philippe will wear for the last time his Crown Prince Uniform

Abdication :
Same Uniforms

Oath:
King Philippe will wear a brand new brown King's Uniform ( his Father had to borrow one for his Oath in the hurry). King Albert will wear I suppose no Uniform.

Royal Defilé :
King Philippe his brand new Uniform General 4 Stars and King Albert ?

maria-olivia 07-11-2013 05:52 PM

Official :
The future King will sign Philippe for French , Filip for Dutch and Philipp for German.

TLLK 07-11-2013 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maria-olivia (Post 1573991)
Official :
The future King will sign Philippe for French , Filip for Dutch and Philipp for German.

So all three signatures for any documents. Hopefully this should satisfy everyone.

Grandduchess24 07-11-2013 07:14 PM

So once phillippe becomes king will he still be duke of Brabant and what of elisabeth will she be crown princess elisabeth of the Belgians or is that until a certain age?

MAfan 07-12-2013 12:26 PM

The title of Duke of Brabant is reserved for the eldest child of the King (or Queen) of the Belgians. Thus when Philippe becomes King, his eldest child Princess Elisabeth will immediately become the Duchess of Brabant.
She won't be titled Crown Princess of Belgium, actually this title doesn't exist officially; she'll be HRH the Duchess of Brabant or HRH Princess Elisabeth of Belgium, Duchess of Brabant.

Marchesina 07-12-2013 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAfan (Post 1574272)
She won't be titled Crown Princess of Belgium, actually this title doesn't exist officially; she'll be HRH the Duchess of Brabant or HRH Princess Elisabeth of Belgium, Duchess of Brabant.

I'm not sure about that though. I mean, the crownprince/princess is titled Duke/Duchess of Brabant. as far as I know, crownprince/princess is a synonym for Hereditary Prince/Princess. In fact, when I occasionally watch the flemish tv news, they always refer to Prince Philippe as Kronprins Filip. I don't know if that's a mistake or it's just another way to call the heir to the throne

MAfan 07-12-2013 05:09 PM

I think it is just a synonym of Heir to the Throne, but not an official title. And if you look at official sources, i.e. the website of the Belgian Monarchy, Philippe is never referred to as Crown Prince of Belgium but always as Prince Philippe or as the Duke of Brabant.
And also the title of Crown Prince is also used informally to refer to other Heirs to the Throne of various monarchies, but without being it the official title; a couple of examples are the Prince of Asturias and, before he became King of The Netherlands, the Prince of Orange, who are often called respectively Crown Prince Felipe and Crown Prince Willem-Alexander but Crown Prince isn't their title.

Marchesina 07-20-2013 10:28 AM

might there be a chance for the new King to restore the old noble titles that were used by the king's children and abolished by King Albert in 2001? It would be awesome to combine them with the title of Prince/ss of Belgium as it is in Sweden. Duchess of Brabant for Elisabeth, Prince of Liège for Gabriel, Count of Flanders for Emmanuel and a complete new one for Eleonore

Marchesina 07-20-2013 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by maria-olivia (Post 1573772)
They will be no ermine Glitter but new Royal Uniforms and of Course the Leopold Sash for both. This Order has no Collar.

I remember watching old pictures of King Albert's wedding ad he was wearing a collar along with the sash of the Order of Leopold. was that another order...maybe an abolished one?

Ofelia 07-21-2013 02:58 PM

Will Queen Fabiola's title be change now when Mathilde is new Belgian queen? Because it's a little bit weird that three women in Belgium have the same title.

Ish 07-21-2013 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ofelia (Post 1578004)
Will Queen Fabiola's title be change now when Mathilde is new Belgian queen? Because it's a little bit weird that three women in Belgium have the same title.

Mathilda is The Queen, Paola is Queen Paola, and Fabiola is Queen Fabiola.

Having multiple women who are queens isn't all that uncommon.

Charlotte_Aster 07-21-2013 03:04 PM

No Ofelia, there are two kings and three queens in Belgium.

MAfan 07-21-2013 03:20 PM

More precisely Mathilde is HM the Queen of the Belgians, Paola is HM Queen Paola of Belgium and Fabiola is HM Queen Fabiola of Belgium.
So only the two former queens have the same title.

An Ard Ri 07-21-2013 04:54 PM

Also worth noting is that H.M.Queen Fabiola is a Queen Dowager as the widow of a King.

cdm 07-22-2013 02:19 PM

In the party in the park yesterday, somebody asked Philippe to sign a guestbook.
He signed Filip van België.
I believe has to sign with just Philippe/Filip now.


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