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Australian 08-29-2004 12:50 AM

Non-ruling royals
 
What function to non ruling royals play?
do they still get bowed to? Do they have any power? Also, do they need the support of the people to marry and stuff

Australian 08-29-2004 05:49 AM

I would really like an answer to this,im interested to know so if anyone knows can you please post a reply
thank you :)

Genevieve 08-29-2004 12:18 PM

There's no need to be impatient. You have barely posted it for 12 hours and you are demanding a reply. People who have been online since you posted it may not know the answer or may not have had the time to reply in full yet.

Obviously if royal families are non-ruling then they play no role or function in their country. Many of them do not live anymore in the country they are supposed to rule. Even ruling families today play mainly symbolic roles within their own countries. If the Kings and Queens of Sweden, Belgium, Spain, Denmark, the Netherlands, etc. play a limited role in the governance of their country the Kings and Queens of an exhiled country (Italy, Greece) would play an even lesser role if any at all (mostly the latter).

And obviously if they are without a country they don't need the support of their people to marry the way the Dutch royals need to ask permission of the government if they want to remain in the line of succession. That would be silly wouldn't it? To ask permission of the people of a country you are now allowed into if you can marry a particular person. Why would Pavlos have needed to seek the permission of the Greek people or the Greek government to marry Marie-Chantal in 1995 if the Greek government especially barely acknowledged him or his family?

In terms of expected protocol, people are likely not required to bow or curtsy to ex-Kings and Queens if they don't want to the way they might bow or curtsy to ruling Kings and Queens. If people bowed or curtsy at all to the Italian or Greek royals it is more of a courtesy or acknowledgement to their former status. Of course many monarchies have done away with bowing and curtsying - I think Queen Beatrix or her mother Queen Juliana did away with such practice during their reign.

Australian 08-29-2004 10:11 PM

i didnt mean to upset you, i am online when everyone is asleep i guess because im all the way in Australia. I apologise.
:(

hillary_nugent 08-30-2004 03:50 AM

Golly you didn't sound impatient at all there's nothing to complain about there...anyhow in regards to your questions ^___^ i don't think they get bowed to as much anymore only perhaps at really formal occasions where people might actually recognise their previous statue ^__^ and while they might enjoy the same wealth i think their previlege has definitely decreased ^___^ G'day ^__^

Australian 09-11-2004 11:12 PM

Does that mean they don't have state royal weddings?

Australian 09-11-2004 11:33 PM

sorry, also does that mean that they dont live in the palaces anymore?

sara1981 09-11-2004 11:35 PM

i dont think so Australia dont have palace you know that! when Crown Princess Mary raise there she known lived in Australia before she wed to her husband Crown Prince Fred of Denmark in May 2004.

Sara Boyce

Australian 09-11-2004 11:38 PM

no what i meant was, for example, the french royal family, do they still live in palaces? I know Australia doesnt have palaces!

Lord Williams 09-12-2004 01:42 AM

Non-reigning royals
 
Austrialian:

:)

The French Royals, I am actually not sure. Prince Louis-Alfonse may live with the Spanish Royal Family, I am not entirely sure. I am going on a whim that I have heard this before. As for the French royals, I know for a fact that they do no live in Versailles or any of those palaces! They are museums now or government offices.

The Greek Royals(the Ex-King and Queen) live in a nice house in London but it isn't a Palace.

The Hanoverians actually have Marienburg Castle to live in, Which IMO is one of the most beautiful castles I've ever seen.

Some royals probably could live in Palaces, I am fairly sure King Constantine and Anne-Marie of Greece would be welcome in Spain's Royal Palace, as the former King of Greece's sister is the Queen of Spain. They might could even live in a Palace in Denmark since the former Queen of Greece's sister is the Queen of Denmark....they have good family ties to Europes crowned heads. However, they do not live in the Greek palaces. They would love to, but it isn't possible. I hope I answered a little of your question.

bad_barbarella 09-12-2004 02:27 AM

Im sure the handsome princes go and live happily ever after in there castles with there non ruling princess brides :)

Australian 09-12-2004 05:03 AM

yes you did, thankyou very much:)

bad_barbarella 09-12-2004 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genevieve
And obviously if they are without a country they don't need the support of their people to marry the way the Dutch royals need to ask permission of the government if they want to remain in the line of succession. That would be silly wouldn't it? To ask permission of the people of a country you are now allowed into if you can marry a particular person. Why would Pavlos have needed to seek the permission of the Greek people or the Greek government to marry Marie-Chantal in 1995 if the Greek government especially barely acknowledged him or his family?

What happens if a prince or princess fails in love and the country dont approve

hillary_nugent 09-13-2004 04:50 AM

He must choose between a Royal life or a common life probably...although i doubt he'd lose all his/her privileges...and he/she would probably still be rich

bad_barbarella 09-13-2004 06:50 AM

what sort of things would point to the country approving?

KikkiB 09-21-2004 03:19 PM

In Norway King Harald has a few "state" jobs; he has to sign all the laws passed by the Parliament and he also have the right to veto any law two or three times before it is passed anyway, but he never do that, he also holds the Government meeting in the Palace every Friday with all the ministers (secretaries of state and departments) and he also opens the Parliament every autumn, giving a "state of the nation" speach. If the King is indisposed to do these things, the Crown Prince will be his "locum".

I also believe the royal family have an important "public relations" function, representing Norway in the world. So I feel that their function is not obsolete.

And yes, the King and Queen live in the Palace in Oslo, the Palace is owned by the Norwegian state, as well as other manors and villas they use when they are visiting other parts of the country. The Crown Prince and his family live at Skaugum, but I'm not sure if that manor is privately own by them, or if it also belong to the Norwegian state.

In Norway there is very little pomp and circumstance, compared to other monarchies such as Sweden and Denmark. It's not the Norwegian way, but here is a certain feel of ceremony at gallas and such, and when the royal family is visting the other parts of Norway, opening buildings etc. The lack of pomp and circumstance may be seen in connection to the fact that Norway does not have any nobility, and both Sweden and Denmark does.

norwegianne 09-21-2004 03:52 PM

King Harald has the right to veto a law three times. Though he has never used it.

Genevieve 09-21-2004 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bad_barbarella
What happens if a prince or princess fails in love and the country dont approve

It doesn't matter if the country doesn't approve -- that they have no country to rule means that it doesn't matter what their country thinks. In the cases of the Greek, Italian, French, Bulgaria, etc. princes and princesses, they don't need to seek government permission in order to marry. Hence, even if the Greek/Italian/French/Bulgarian people didn't approve of Marie-Chantal, Clotilde, Miriam or whomever it wouldn't have mattered a single bit. No member of the exhiled/over thrown royal families have any obligations to the people of their 'originating' country to seek approval for their marriages or any other personal decisions they make. For all intents and purposes, they are 'regular' folk like you and I.'

The Greek people or government not liking Marie-Chantal has no bearing on Pavlos or his role; he is and continues to be the Crown Prince of an exhiled monarchy, whether he married Marie-Chantal or not.

But the Dutch people or goverment not liking or approving of Maxima has every bearing on Willem's role and his future -- he would have to choose between Maxima or his role as the Crown Prince.

Genevieve 09-21-2004 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Williams
Austrialian:

:)

The French Royals, I am actually not sure. Prince Louis-Alfonse may live with the Spanish Royal Family, I am not entirely sure. I am going on a whim that I have heard this before. As for the French royals, I know for a fact that they do no live in Versailles or any of those palaces! They are museums now or government offices.

Prince Louis-Alfonse most certainly doesn't live with the Spanish royals. The King and Queen live in a modest hunting lodge Zarzuela Palace. Louise-Alfonse has his own home seperate from the Spanish royal family, who are supposed to be neutral in such matters that include battles between various individuals who claim the right to the French throne.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Williams
Some royals probably could live in Palaces, I am fairly sure King Constantine and Anne-Marie of Greece would be welcome in Spain's Royal Palace, as the former King of Greece's sister is the Queen of Spain. They might could even live in a Palace in Denmark since the former Queen of Greece's sister is the Queen of Denmark....they have good family ties to Europes crowned heads. However, they do not live in the Greek palaces. They would love to, but it isn't possible. I hope I answered a little of your question.

The King and Queen of Greece wouldn't ever be allowed to stay at either the Spanish or Danish palaces for very long; certainly not permanently. Spain's monarchy is so precarious already that to allow the Greek King and Queen (even if they are family of the Queen's) would reflect very badly on a family that has always tried to live very humbly.

And when the King and Queen lived in Denmark briefly after fleeing from Greece, they were not allowed to stay very long. It was put to Margrethe that consideing the political situation and Denmark's need to stay neutral and appear impartial to the Greek government, she could not allow her sister to stay for very long. Of course the political situation is much different now but I believe the same appearance of staying neutral would be still relevant.

Josefine 03-20-2005 02:21 PM

i do not think they have any roles they are more known as realtives to other royal houses now a days


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