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An Ard Ri 06-23-2012 05:03 PM

Infante Jaime of Spain, Duke of Segovia (1908-1975)
 
23rd of June 1908-Birth of Infante Jaime of Spain

Infante Jaime was the second son of King Alfonso XIII of Spain and his wife Princess Victoria Eugenie,he renounced he his rights to the throne for himself and his descendants in June 1933.

Infante Jaime, Duke of Segovia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An Ard Ri 06-23-2012 05:05 PM

His first wife,Emanuela de Dampierre died in May this year.

HereditaryPrincess 07-08-2013 05:40 PM

A book will be published in Autumn this year about Charlotte Tiedemann, Jaime's second wife. It is written by Yvan de Wilde and edited by Nicole Dubus Vaillant. If I have read the article about the book correctly, it covers her childhood in East Prussia and her career as a model and actress. It also covers her life with the Duke of Segovia.

More information about the book and author can be found in this article from Noblesse & Royutes:

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An Ard Ri 07-08-2013 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess (Post 1572904)
A book will be published in Autumn this year which is about Charlotte Tiedemann, Jaime's second wife. It is written by Yvan de Wilde and Nicole Dubus Vaillant. If I have read the article about the book correctly, it covers her childhood in East Prussia and her career as a model and actress. It also covers her life with the Duke of Segovia.

More information in this article from Noblesse & Royutes:

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Sounds interesting,I wonder will we get an English version!

HereditaryPrincess 07-08-2013 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 1572905)
Sounds interesting,I wonder will we get an English version!

I agree, it sounds like an interesting read. :smile:

I'm not sure if there will be an English version of the book, but I hope so!

maria-olivia 07-09-2013 05:15 AM

A read the article also in Noblesse et Royautés.
I did not know she was so popular and an important Duchess and makes the Duke happy. I did now either the troubles they had with the Duke two Sons .
I don' have pictures about Alfonso and Carmen's wedding but I am sure Emmanuelle de Dampierre stole the show.
Nice Idea i to start a thread about Jaime and Charlotte Duke and Duchess of Segovie.

An Ard Ri 07-09-2013 05:58 AM

Wedding of HRH Infante Jaime of Spain, Duke of Segovia and Victoire Jeanne Joséphine Pierre Marie Emmanuelle (Emanuela) de Dampierre in Rome, on 4 March 1935.

Infante Don Jaime Married In Rome - YouTube

HereditaryPrincess 12-02-2013 03:59 PM

Another book will be published about Charlotte Tiedemann, Infante Jaime's second wife. The book has been written by the same author who wrote the previous book about Charlotte and Jaime: "Don Jaime et Charlotte de Bourbon duc et duchess de Segoive". The latest book is called "A l'ombre du trone d'Espagne Charlotte de Bourbon duchesse of Segovie":

Livre «*A l’ombre du trône d’Espagne. Charlotte de Bourbon, duchesse de Ségovie*» | Noblesse & Royautés

An Ard Ri 12-02-2013 04:33 PM

Sounds interesting,I know very little about Charlotte Luise Auguste Tiedemann other than she died in 1979!

HereditaryPrincess 12-02-2013 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 1622621)
Sounds interesting,I know very little about Charlotte Luise Auguste Tiedemann other than she died in 1979!

I agree, the book does sound interesting and I too would like to learn more about her. I know that she's an actress/signer and that she originally came from Innsbruck (a lovely town in Austria) and that her parents were called Otto and Luise. Here are a couple of pages with information about Charlotte:

- Person Page 10329
<strong>La tragedia de Don Jaime de Borbón (II)</strong> - El Manifiesto

CyrilVladisla 07-30-2014 09:54 PM

The Infante Jaime was known to the French legitimists as Henri VI.
After 1957, Jaime signed all documents as Jacques Henri.

HereditaryPrincess 08-01-2014 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla (Post 1691199)
The Infante Jaime was known to the French legitimists as Henri VI.
After 1957, Jaime signed all documents as Jacques Henri.

That's interesting, I hadn't known this beforehand. I did some further research on Wikipedia, and would also like to add to your post that he took the title of Duke of Anjou after proclaiming himself the senior legitimate male heir of the House of Capet, former French throne and House of Bourbon. His grandson is Prince Louis Alphonse, Duke of Anjou, whom some believe is the pretender to the former French throne as Louis XX.

When you mention that he signed all documents as "Jacques Henri", do you mean that he signed every document in general as "Jacques Henri", or just documents relating to France and his claim to the former throne?

JR76 08-01-2014 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess (Post 1691524)
When you mention that he signed all documents as "Jacques Henri", do you mean that he signed every document in general as "Jacques Henri", or just documents relating to France and his claim to the former throne?

I get this picture in my head of JH getting scolded by a bossy and middleaged female postal teller for refusing to sign a form using anything else than his christian names ;)



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An Ard Ri 08-01-2014 12:16 PM

I wonder if the Dukedom of Segovia will ever be used again by a member of the Spanish RF?

Duc_et_Pair 08-01-2014 12:42 PM

The Infante was very inconsequent. In 1933 Infante Don Jaime renounced all his claims on the Spanish throne. In 1949 he withdrew his renunciation. In 1969 he renounced again all his claims to the Spanish throne.

He only was a Heir or claimant to the Spanish throne, because there is a Spanish throne occupied by the Bourbons, all thanks to the Treaty of Utrecht (which separated the French and the Spanish Bourbon line for ever, a condition by the powers of Europe to prevent a clustering of two mighty kingdoms in one hand).

Later the Infante claimed the kingship of France. However, he could only have beeen Infante de España and in line of succession because of the same Treaty of Utrecht. Now that Treaty suddenly is "illegal" because of the separation of the thrones, after all he now claims the throne of France, being the most senior Bourbon (which he definitely was).

It takes two to tango. Either you accept the Treaty of Utrecht which made that your father was King of Spain or you consider it as an illegal act and claim the throne of France. But when the Treaty of Utrecht is illegal, your father could never have been the King of Spain... Really, it has the same logic and consequence as a bucket with slimy eels. His grandson Don Luis Alfonso makes the same ridiculous claims.

MAfan 08-02-2014 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 1691569)
Either you accept the Treaty of Utrecht which made that your father was King of Spain or you consider it as an illegal act and claim the throne of France.

Just my two cents, but I suppose that after three hundred years since the Treaty was signed and started producing its effects one could just consider it a matter of fact.
It is a fact that the Treaty was signed and produced its effects, whatever it was legal or illegal - and at the time clearly this wasn't an issue at all, or however all the nations that signed the treaty of Utrecht considered it to be legal and binding.
Many illegal things happened in the past and I believe that one cannot act simply ignoring them and their consequences only because they were illegal. They happened and this is a fact that has to be faced.


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