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Claire 08-21-2004 07:05 AM

British Royal Family Genealogy
 
I've so much wanted to ask quesions of a genealogical base. Bear said that we could place this forum, but nobody did, or maybe they did and I can't find it. (sorry). So here we can place links to our favourite genealogy sites, ask questions and hopefully get a few answered.

Here's a few Links to get us started:

The Peerage: http://www.thepeerage.com

My Genealogy page: http://www.angelfire.com/celeb2/ceg_.../genealogy.htm

Here's my questions:

How is Lord Louis of Hesse related to the British Royal Family, besides him been Prince Edward's godfather. I know that the Duke of Edinburgh's sisiter, Cecille and her family was killed on route to his wedding. But where does he fit in.

How is Lady Alexander Etherington, one of Lady Louise's god mother's related to Prince Edward. In the press release for Louise's christening they said that she is a distant relative, how?

Claire

iowabelle 07-23-2005 04:16 PM

England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland
 
I'm interested in French-Canadian genealogy (particularly Quebec) and when I was at Ancestry.com I read Camilla shares ancestors with... Celine Dion and Madonna.

A fuller explanation of Camilla's genealogy can be found at www.wargs.com/royal/camilla.html

I wonder if, because of the scarcity of early settlers in Quebec, if Camilla and I might be related. Maybe that explains my "Material Girl" tendencies! :)

tiaraprin 07-24-2005 01:38 AM

Camilla is related to Celine Dion and Madonna??

I do know her great grandmother, Alice Keppel, was mistress to Edward VII and may be related to Charles through her grandmother Sonia Cubitt. Some believe Sonia to be the "natural" child of Alice and Edward VII. Sonia Cubitt never discussed the matter during her lifetime.

iowabelle 07-24-2005 01:59 PM

Apparently, Madonna and Celine share ancestors from Quebec with Camilla.

Camilla is also a descendant of James VI and I.

Who knew?

Elspeth 07-24-2005 04:03 PM

Well, quite a lot of the British upper classes are descended illegitimately from Charles II, which means they were descended from James I. Not sure that all that many are legitimate descendents of those monarchs, though!

Elizabeth_Leona 01-01-2006 04:33 PM

I am the Queen of Royal genealogy! I have been drawing up family trees by hand since I was 6. It is the one thing I never get bored of and am good at!
Quote:

Originally Posted by Claire
How is Lord Louis of Hesse related to the British Royal Family, besides him been Prince Edward's godfather. I know that the Duke of Edinburgh's sisiter, Cecille and her family was killed on route to his wedding. But where does he fit in.

How is Lady Alexander Etherington, one of Lady Louise's god mother's related to Prince Edward. In the press release for Louise's christening they said that she is a distant relative, how?

Louis was a brother of Georg Dontus and brother-in-law of Cecile, who died on the way to his wedding. Louis and his wife adopted Georg and Cecile's only surviving child Johanna.

Lady Alexandra Etherington is a daughter of the Duke of Fife and a great grand daughter of Princess Louise (Edward VII's second daughter) making her a 3rd couisn of Prince Edward.

Iluvbertie 01-03-2006 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Elizabeth_Leona
Louis was a brother of Georg Dontus and brother-in-law of Cecile, who died on the way to his wedding. Louis and his wife adopted Georg and Cecile's only surviving child Johanna.

Cecile was, of course, one of Prince Philip's sisters.

Elizabeth_Leona 01-03-2006 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chrissy57
Cecile was, of course, one of Prince Philip's sisters.

yeppers and a great grand daughter of Queen Victoria and a second cousin of her own husband :confused:

selrahc4 01-03-2006 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Elizabeth_Leona
yeppers and a great grand daughter of Queen Victoria and a second cousin of her own husband :confused:

First cousin once removed.

Zonk 01-03-2006 05:28 PM

whats the difference between second cousin and first cousin once removed?

selrahc4 01-03-2006 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Zonk1189
whats the difference between second cousin and first cousin once removed?

The "removed" designation indicates that while there is a cousinship, it is not of the same generation; the number removed indicates the number of generations different. First cousins share a set of grandparents.

Elizabeth_Leona 01-03-2006 06:09 PM

true, it was Cecile's mother Alice who was a first cousin of Georg and Louis

selrahc4 01-03-2006 06:15 PM

And, what is somewhat wierd, since Cecile married a first cousin once removed, she was second cousin to her own children.

But that's not an unusual thing when you get into royal relationships.

Melania 02-04-2006 04:40 PM

What is Prince Phillips relation to Queen Margrethe of Denmark?
 
I know Prince Phillip was a Prince of Greece and Denmark, so what is his relationship to the Danish Queen and Prince Frederik? Are Charles and Frederik distant cousins? Thanks if you can help :) .

Iluvbertie 02-04-2006 05:11 PM

They are distant cousins but I can never work out cousins relationships so I will give you the descent from the common ancestors.


Christian IX of Denmark - Frederick VIII - Christian X - Frederick IX - Margrethe II - CP Frederick

Christian IX of Denmark - William (George I of the Hellenes) - Andrew - Philip - Charles

Christian IX of Denmark - Alexandra - George V - George VI - Elizabeth II - Charles


Queen Victoria - Arthur, Duke of Connaught - Margaret (Crown Princess of Sweden) - Ingrid - Margrethe II - CP Frederick

Queen Victoria - Alice - Victoria - Alice - Philip - Charles

Queen Victoria - Edward VII - George V - George VI - Elizabeth II - Charles


There may even be other descents but these are the main ones. As you can see Charles and Frederick are cousins through a number of different lines of descent from both Queen Victoria and King Christian IX of Denmark.

Everyone knows Victoria was referred to as the Grandmother of Europe when she died in 1901 but fewer people seem aware of the fact that Christian was the Grandfather of Europe when he died in 1906, with three of his children being Kings (one of coures inherited his title) or Queens Consort and one child a Dowager Empress by the time he died. By that measure he does better than Victoria - Frederick and William become kings and Alexandra and DAgmar Queens or Empresses while Victoria 'only' has Victoria as an Empress and Bertie as a king. Sure her grandchildren marry into these positions but only two of her children are ever in the position of monarch or consort compared to Christian having four. I know Alice married a Grand Duke and Alfred also became one but they are not 'monarch's.

norwegianne 02-04-2006 05:13 PM

Prince Andrew of Greece (Prince Phillip's father) was the grandson of Christian IX of Denmark. Prince Phillip is thus the great grandson of Christian IX. Prince Charles is the great great grandson of Christian IX.

Queen Margrethe is the great great granddaughter of Christian IX. Charles and Margrethe are third cousins (if I did the math correctly.)

Edit: And then there's the extra lines mentioned above. Which also makes Phillip and Margrethe third cousins.

norwegianne 02-04-2006 05:22 PM

http://kongehuset.dk/monarkiet/stamt...hp#Gluckborske

The family tree of the Glücksburg dynasty in Denmark, from Kongehuset.dk

Some of the names are the Danish version, but it gives the general overview.

Melania 02-04-2006 06:32 PM

Thank you! It is interesting to see that they are related in more than one way. I know over the years the royal family's relationships are going to get even wider. I think that might be a good thing so that things will not be so confusing or complicated. It is such a breath of fresh air to have new blood marry into these families, such as Diana and Mary of Denmark.

Aussie Princess 02-07-2006 09:27 PM

I think they might also be related by their ancestrey from the Russian,Romanian and German side, but I'm not sure.They would also be related by marriage through her sister, and his marriage to Queen Elizabeth. I think their great-grandparents were married, there was a few,I can't remember any of it anymore

Leslie2006 02-07-2006 10:09 PM

You're right Princess Aussie ;). Queen Margrethe II of Denmark and Prince Philip are related through the German side (the Danish Royal Family is and was actually German---so was QV's family).

King Christian IX, father of George I of Greece, thus great-grandather of Prince Philip, was the eighth of ten children born to Frederik, the first Duke of Schleswig-Holstein and HIS wife, Princess Louise of Hesse. I'm not positive, but I think he was elected to be King of Denmark, and so his family has ruled since then.

Frederik, 1st Duke Schleswig-Holstein----Christian IX----George I of Greece---Andrew---Philip

Frederik, 1st Duke Schleswig-Holstein----Christian IX----Frederik VIII----Christian X----Frederik IX---Margarethe II

So I THINK that Margrethe and Philip are either 3rd or 2nd cousins once removed or something on the Danish/German side. I don't think they're related through Russian or Romanian royalty, but I'm not positive.

Philip and Margarethe II are also related to the other Scandinavian royal houses. Margarethe's mother, Ingrid, was the daughter of King Gustav VI Adolf of Sweden and HIS wife Princess Margaret of Connaught, one of Queen Victoria's granddaughters through her son Arthur. Margaret (or Daisy)'s mother was Princess Louise Margrethe of Prussia.


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