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Elly C 11-16-2011 08:23 AM

"Queen's Missing Cousins" [ref Bowes-Lyon], Channel 4 (2011)
 
A new documentary is airing on Channel 4 in the UK tomorrow evening concerning the Queen's cousins. Unsurprisingly, it appears to be causing some upset

Channel 4 documentary

Kataryn 11-16-2011 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Elly C (Post 1337855)
A new documentary is airing on Channel 4 in the UK tomorrow evening concerning the Queen's cousins. Unsurprisingly, it appears to be causing some upset

Channel 4 documentary

And what an old, old story that is. Don't know why they bring it up again, as the facts have been in the public domain for decades.

EmpressRouge 11-16-2011 11:14 AM

I don't get how "the two daughters were largely shunned by the Royal Family." These were the Queen's maternal Bowes-Lyon cousins, not Windsors and thus were never part of the royal family.

Zonk 11-16-2011 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by EmpressRouge (Post 1337898)
I don't get how "the two daughters were largely shunned by the Royal Family." These were the Queen's maternal Bowes-Lyon cousins, not Windsors and thus were never part of the royal family.

Its the same way that the US press wrote that story about Michael Sakel (sp) when he was convicted for murder. Despite that the fact that he wasn't an actual Kennedy (but rather Ethel Kennedy's nephew from her brother) the headlines read Kennedy Family Member convicted of murder.

Its all about sensationalism....most people don't know that the Queen Mother was Elizabeth Bowes Lyon before she married into the royal family.

expat 11-16-2011 11:33 AM

Many years ago we heard about these cousins, the only thing that shocked at the time was, I believe Burke's Peerage had them listed as dead. As Empress Rouge said, they are not Windsors, they are Bowes- Lyons, this happened in another era and it was the usual thing to do. I don't think that these girls even realised that they were related to the Queen, or if they could understand, it would make any difference to them.

KittyAtlanta 11-16-2011 11:52 AM

Windsor notwithstanding...Bowes Lyons is part of the Queen's family. I have no doubt that they were well cared for. We will never know the details, and we don't need to.

Jacknch 11-17-2011 09:25 PM

Ok so let me get this right: my cousins on my mother's side of the family should be of less importance to me than my cousins on my father's side of the family? I have never heard of this before.
According to the documentary the Queen stated years ago that it was a matter for the Bowes-Lyon family. Unfortunately for Katherine and Nerissa, it wasn't a matter for the Bowes-Lyon family at all given they abandoned them.

Jacknch 11-17-2011 09:30 PM

Further to my previous post, Katherine Bowes-Lyon is still alive and so the situation is not something unfortunate that simply happened years ago - it is an on-going situation in the present.

NGalitzine 11-17-2011 09:35 PM

Channel 4 is making a story about news from 1987. Seems like a cheap shot. Is the Queen to be responsible for the actions of every family that married into the Royal family? I can't say that my aunts or uncles would take too kindly to me questioning the actions they took, probably on the best of medical advice at the time, 70 years ago regarding the care of their children. I certainly don't think I would have the right to step in and change their families arrangements.
At any rate the story in the link above says that they were in fact visited, became agitated by visits, and received gifts at Christmas. Lady Elizabeth Anson says they were not forgotten by the family. The documentary seems to be a bit of a hatchet job.

Mermaid1962 11-17-2011 11:20 PM

:previous: Exactly. The story gets recycled every few years. At the time, according to what was known about disabled people, the kindest thing for them was for them to be in an institution where they could be taken care of professionally. It's the same as when people make the choice of admitting their aging parents to a home; their personal and medical needs are too much for the adult children to cope with. I believe that the mother of the "girls" felt the same way.

PrincessKaimi 11-18-2011 12:01 AM

The main reason to bring it up, I suppose, is that there are many of us out here who have never heard the story before.

Media works that way. Not every gets the story the first time around - and I'll wager that many younger people don't know the story either (I don't know it because I live far away from the situation - at least I think that's the reason).

NGalitzine 11-18-2011 12:06 AM

^^^
I suspect the main reason to bring it up has more to do with ratings and money than educating the British public about people they have never heard of.

PrincessKaimi 11-18-2011 12:51 AM

Except it's getting international attention as well. It's not the difficult to watch British television here in the States - in one form or another - we'll be looking out for it. We're talking about it here, aren't we?

And, if the makers of it are going to make any money, they'd better hope the British public tunes in as well. I'm sure the story still has legs. At any rate, judging from the Channel 4 forum on the topic, Brits are still quite interested in the topic (and some express surprise at not having known more about it before this recent airing).

Kataryn 11-18-2011 02:53 AM

The Telegraph in his review wrote that they claimed that the girl's father never visited his daughters in hospital. That's surely true. Because, as the reporter found out after he had seen the documentary and checked some of the facts, their father was already 11 years dead when they were admitted to th hospital.... Should he have visited them from the grave?

And why don't they ever write or report about the other three mentally handicapped granddaughters of the 21.Baron Clinton by his other daughter? These were institutionalized as well... But it seems only those with a connection to the queen are of interest. Again and again.

Lumutqueen 11-18-2011 04:43 AM

For me, the program was very enlightening.

angieuk 11-20-2011 04:47 AM

The Queen's Hidden Cousins!
 
The Queen's hidden cousins: They were banished to an asylum in 1941 and left neglected now an intriguing documentary reveals all | Mail Online

Very sad, could be because of too much in-breeding?

tihkon2 11-20-2011 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by angieuk (Post 1339091)

I doubt it, because they weren't from the Royal Family side. They were from the Queen Mother's family. A cursory look at her family tree doesn't show any inbreeding really.

angieuk 11-20-2011 05:17 AM

Oh I see. It was only as someone said in the Channel 4 documentary it was due to that? What caused it then?

The Queen's Hidden Cousins - Channel 4

Iluvbertie 11-20-2011 05:55 AM

There are a lot of reasons why some parents have children with less then perfect brain functions - many of them have perfectly healthy children and also have another who has a problem - why that happens is still up for investigation in most cases.


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