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American Dane 10-27-2011 05:02 PM

Crown Prince Frederik's Military Training and Career
 
Perhaps this is just to the Danish members or anyone who closely followed the DRF in the 1990s but I'm interested in knowing when CP Frederik's special forces training was known to the public. Were the videos of him in training and the selection period broadcast only after he finished with the Frømandskorpset? Sorry I'm really interested in his military training and career and I'm surprised there isn't a thread for this already. Thanks! :flowers:

Muhler 10-27-2011 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by American Dane (Post 1331050)
Perhaps this is just to the Danish members or anyone who closely followed the DRF in the 1990s but I'm interested in knowing when CP Frederik's special forces training was known to the public. Were the videos of him in training and the selection period broadcast only after he finished with the Frømandskorpset? Sorry I'm really interested in his military training and career and I'm surprised there isn't a thread for this already. Thanks! :flowers:

It was known at the time he joined the Frogman Corps as an aspirant. At that time the Frogman Corps was hardly known to the public and it's still very secretive. More so than it's army counterpart, Jægerkorpset = the army special forces.

Frederik had encountered members of the special forces during his military career so far and he had also earned his static fall jump wings at Jægerkorpset, (*) and they had impressed him.

The Frogman Corps is directly inspired by the Special Boat Squadron, where a Dane, Anders Lassen, had played a prominent role. The aspirant course, which lasts I believe around four months, to this day still incorporate the same training methods as used by Special Boat Squadron/Service. And it's widely acknowledged to by physically harder than the army special forces training.

When Frederik joined, an officer from the Frogman Corps was interviewed on TV and explained very clearly that no special considerations at all would be made in regards to Frederik or "We will just end up with an injured Crown Prince".
The aspirant course weeds out most. There have been years where no one has made it at all.
Frederik was among four who made it that year.

These four were now on probation, where they were taught about diving in particular, jump training, survival training, demolition and so on and so. Before becoming fully fledged frogmen after a year or so.
By that time Frederik appeared in a segment on TV. The news host asked the viewers to keep an eye on a clock and a small window of Frederik who sank to the bottom of a pool without any beathing apparatus. He sat there during the entire segment about the corps, which lasted close to two minuttes. Then he looked at his watch and swam, only using his legs to the other side of the pool, under water.

Just as Frederik was fully expected to be dropped off a couple of kilometres out at sea at night in a group of four, with a camuflage net over their heads. (**) Pushing a weapons container between them.
Getting ashore unseen. Move fast easily ten fifteen kilomtres inland, carry out their mission, move back to the shore and swim at least a couple of kilometres out to sea (out of range of a heavy machine gun), where they line up at intervals and wait for a speedboat.
From that boat at kind of loop on a stick is put out. The frogmen raise their arm so that the arm goes in through the loop. The inertia from the fast moving boat throws them clear of the water and onto the boat. - It hurts!
Frederik will have gone through that a number of times.

To his annoyance Frederik was once captured by members of the Home Guard in an attempt to get into the Stevns Fort. A well guarded military installation.

(*) Later free fall jump wings. You can find that clip on YouTube)

(**) To make them resemble seals popping up for a look. I've been looking for "seals" a number of times myself.
On two occasions they got through but that's another story.

American Dane 10-28-2011 05:36 AM

Thanks for your reply Muhler! Yes, I've seen that clip I bolded before and that was what prompted my question. So from the moment he said he wanted to go through the 4 month selection process it was public knowledge? Did he actually serve in the Corps or only the selection and training period?

I'm just surprised that, if he did serve in a mission, for his safety and the others' safety they made it known when he was still involved. So it wasn't a 'Prince Harry' where there was a media blackout until he was brought home?

Muhler 10-28-2011 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by American Dane (Post 1331218)
Thanks for your reply Muhler! Yes, I've seen that clip I bolded before and that was what prompted my question. So from the moment he said he wanted to go through the 4 month selection process it was public knowledge? Did he actually serve in the Corps or only the selection and training period?

I'm just surprised that, if he did serve in a mission, for his safety and the others' safety they made it known when he was still involved. So it wasn't a 'Prince Harry' where there was a media blackout until he was brought home?

Yes, that was public knowledge and he served for at least a year after becoming fully fledged frogman.

As far as it is known the Danish special forces did not serve in "hot" operations in the 90's. Except for sniper teams in the former Jugoslavia and during the arms blocade off the coast.
The special forces have been more active than is generally known since the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, but by then Frederik had long since left.
So Frederik never took part in any live operations as a frogman.

He visited the troops in former Jugoslavia but that was as close to action he came, before later visiting the troops in Afghanistan.

Prince Harry was in combat. The last Danish Prince who was in combat, and was wounded, was Prince Aage, who served in the French Foreign Legion in the 1920's and 30's.

American Dane 10-28-2011 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Muhler (Post 1331225)
Yes, that was public knowledge and he served for at least a year after becoming fully fledged frogman.

As far as it is known the Danish special forces did not serve in "hot" operations in the 90's. Except for sniper teams in the former Jugoslavia and during the arms blocade off the coast.
The special forces have been more active than is generally known since the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, but by then Frederik had long since left.
So Frederik never took part in any live operations as a frogman.

He visited the troops in former Jugoslavia but that was as close to action he came, before later visiting the troops in Afghanistan.

Prince Harry was in combat. The last Danish Prince who was in combat, and was wounded, was Prince Aage, who served in the French Foreign Legion in the 1920's and 30's.

Ah, I understand now. Cheers :flowers:

Muhler 10-28-2011 08:07 AM

You are welcome. :smile:

No, Frederik did a "William", in the sense that he served onboard the inspection ship (patrol frigate) Vædderen in the sea around the Faroe Islands and around Greenland.
There he was involved in the fishery inspection, search and rescue, policing, medical evacuation and treatment and the myriads of other things a frigate is involved in, in the polar regions. - Basically coast guard duty.

Muhler 11-13-2011 10:42 AM

I found this list of Frederik's military career until 2008.
From the book: Frederik, Crown Prince of Denmark. (Page 349).

1986 - Recruit in the Royal Lifeguard.
1988 - Lieutenant in the reserves. (He went to NCO school after basic training as a volunteer conscript, then to the officers academy).
1988 - Platoon leader at the Guards Hussars Regiment. (One of the recce-platoons).
1989 - First lieutenant in the reserves.
1995 - The Frogman Corps.
1995 - First lieutenant in the reserves in the navy.
1997 - Lieutenant commander in the navy.
2000 - Captain of the reserves in the airforce.
2001-2002 - Education for staff officers at the Defence Academy.
2002 - Major in the reserves in the army and airforce and commander in the navy. (Major is the lowest rank of staffofficers, not to be confused with officers attached to a staff, who are also called staffofficers).
2002-2003 - Working at High Command.
2003-? - Teacher at the Defence Academy. The Institute for Strategy. (Frederik put a lot of energy in studying the Baltic countries, while at university).
2004 - Senior grade commander in the navy, lieutenant colonel in the army and airforce.

Added by me: Present i.e. 2011 - Colonel in the army and airforce and commodore in the navy.

Next step: Brigadier or more likely major general in the army and airforce, rear admiral in the navy.
Then: lieutenant general in the army and airforce, vice admiral in the navy.
When he become king: full general in the army and airforce, and admiral in the navy.

American Dane 11-13-2011 11:16 AM

Thanks Muhler :smile: Does Frederik still lecture at the Defence Academy (As in, have we heard recent news about him there)?

Muhler 11-13-2011 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by American Dane (Post 1336752)
Thanks Muhler :smile: Does Frederik still lecture at the Defence Academy (As in, have we heard recent news about him there)?

No, I think he stopped about the time he and Mary got settled at Kancellihuset after their marriage.

Muhler 06-23-2013 05:34 AM

BT has a feature about the Frogman Corps: Vil du være frømand: Så hårde er optagelseskravene - Danmark | www.bt.dk

There are some info of interest of to this board in regards to what Frederik also went through during his service there.

There is a four days admission test, in which the majority are weeded out.

Followed by ten months of basic training, where most of those remaining leave. Those few who make it, in some years none at all, can now call themselves Frogmen.

Now follow eight months of additional training. Often abroad. - That training is focused even more on special forces operations. That includes parachute training with Jægerkorpset, the army special forces. Which include not only free fall jumping but also HALO = High Altitude (*) Low Opening. I.e very advanced parachute jumping.

Having completed these courses, each Frogman then on top of that specialise themselves within a particular field. I.e advanced medic, sniper, communications specialist and so on.

So far only a little more than 200 have ever completed basic training since 1957. One woman made it to basic training but failed.

There is also a gallery: Se de unikke billeder: Verdens måske bedste - her er de danske frømænd | www.bt.dk
Weapons and equipment have changed since Frederik was there, but the basic appearance is the same. Especially the netting over their heads, which make them resemble seals popping up for a look, when swimming out at sea.

(*) Sometimes jumping from the height passenger jets fly (about 10 KM), simply to better camuflage insertion. They then glide for often many kilometres, and sometimes across borders, until the parachute is finally deployed at as low altitude as safely possible.

Nordic 06-23-2013 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Muhler (Post 1567419)
BT has a feature about the Frogman Corps: Vil du være frømand: Så hårde er optagelseskravene - Danmark | www.bt.dk
There are some info of interest of to this board in regards to what Frederik also went through during his service there.

So, to summarize your excellent summary even more:
CP Frederik is NOT a sissy ;)

gerry 06-23-2013 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nordic (Post 1567508)
So, to summarize your excellent summary even more:
CP Frederik is NOT a sissy ;)

Indeed. I forget where I read or heard the comment made by the Crown Princess' brother about his future brother in law after the two had gone swimming so that they could 'test one another out'. Although I cannot remember the exact words, I can recall that the brother was left semi-articulate by the Crown Prince's skill so that words like 'pretty good' emerged that in no way did justice to the prince's aquatic capabilities.:flowers:


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