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Biri 08-02-2019 02:15 PM

Really?
Mussolini became a Duce when Italy was still a monarchy.

victor1319 08-02-2019 07:36 PM

Everything can be compared, but that does not mean, that everything that can be compared is equal!

This here is surely not the thread for it, but Nazism and Fascism are not equal either!

CyrilVladisla 08-02-2019 09:28 PM

If the property is returned, are there any back taxes that the Hohenzollerns would have to pay?

victor1319 08-08-2019 02:30 PM

It is getting interesting!
 
New developments in the restitution case:

First, the Prince is no longer that much interested in a right of residence in castle Cecilienhof, instead he is looking for a compromise about the things he wants to be have back.
in German: https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/s.../24697582.html

Second: In the State of Brandenburg are elections soon. The former east bloc communists, which renamed and regrouped as Party of the Democratic Socialism first and now call themselves The Left, are conducting a signature collection against, what they call: making a gift out of "property of the people to the Hohenzollerns".
in German: https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/s.../24882190.html

theroyalfly 08-15-2019 11:52 AM

Bradenburg's government refuses to give in to Hohenzollerns' claims. “Nobody wants to give the Hohenzollerns something,” said Culture Minister in Brandenburg Martina Münch, from the Socialist Party.


**https://royalcentral.co.uk/europe/br...sation-128483/

Marengo 08-15-2019 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kataryn
The government of the German Federal State of Brandenburg (in which the places like Cecilienhof are) had stated that of course he was because he had helped Hitler with public audiences, invitations, even a press release asking the Prussians to support Hitler.

I can't really see much logic in the statement of the Brandenburg government. Hitler and his regime were helped by millions of people both inside and outside of Germany. Many of them will have done much worse things than the crown prince. Very few of them will have seen their properties confisquated due to this help. In fact, most of them did not have to take any responsibility at all.

I understand that handing out millions of Euros to a well-to-do and privilliged family is not a thing that voters & politicians enjoy, especially not in an election year. But calling it a 'gift' is making a mockery out of the issue. In the end it is stolen property, now owned by the German state.

victor1319 08-15-2019 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marengo (Post 2246366)
I understand that handing out millions of Euros to a well-to-do and privilliged family is not a thing that voters & politicians enjoy, especially not in an election year. But calling it a 'gift' is making a mockery out of the issue. In the end it is stolen property, now owned by the German state.

The irony is, that it is called "a gift" and not "stolen property" by the former communists, who stole it... The communists are now a part of the government of the now democratic state of Brandenburg. They were elected, because the former communist east of Germany had a lot of troubles to endure. And large parts of the electorate fell for the prayers of social justice the communists sung.

BTW Not only the communists were and are hesitant, to give property back, which was confiscated under communist rule!

The chancellor of Germany right after the fall of communism, Helmut Kohl, a conservative politician, had the cunning plan, to pay for the re-building of the former communist part of Germany with the state property of East Germany. And this "state property" consists in large parts of "stolen property", which inludes property of the House of Hohenzollern. But there are much more folks, which were robbed by the communists... - Pandora's Box!

rob2008 08-19-2019 08:52 PM

“The initiative by the Hohenzollerns comes as a surprise because Georg Friedrich has tried hard in recent years to improve the tarnished image of his family. The debate we’re seeing now definitely won’t have helped the family’s reputation.”

Winfried Süss, Centre for Contemporary Research, Potsdam

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/k...laim-0ptr82w7d


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