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rominet09 03-13-2011 10:18 AM

Thank you for the articles... interesting !

Duke of Marmalade 03-13-2011 10:46 AM

what I dont get is andrews motivation to pay off sarahs debts (should be mainly her own business) by acquiring shady characters to "donate" money. for what and what is the return service - a question that brings the ambassador role into question, big time.

andrew is rich enough himself to pay for the debt and provide for a luxury lifestyle of sarah for the rest of her life, if he feels the need to do so.

whats coming out next, gaddafis son donating money to sarah for some support with the frozen assets in return? to mingle private interests with business interest that COULD lead to the conclusion that andrew is not only working for his own benefit but also getting into dependencies is highly dangerous and unworthy of a royal in his position.

jemagre 03-13-2011 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NotAPretender (Post 1214996)
I agree - we have exactly one person's not-unbiased opinion that the Queen is backing Andrew. Has the Queen given any indicators that Andrew is being supported? Not that I have seen.

I don't think, jemagre, that the Queen has made any decision. I genuinely believe that it's going to be a long-term phase-in/phase-out solution. The Queen is unlikely to say "right now Andrew, quit!" I believe strongly that it's more like "Come up with a six month plan that eases you out, gets Sarah out, and makes this fade away."

I think it's far more likely that we will something happen after the Royal wedding. Perhaps in mid-May, Andrew is given some sort of position as Royal representative to the Bliddelty Boopety Council and has to give up his UK Trade Rep slot to accommodate that. And then perhaps in June, that Sarah Ferguson has found a home in Scotland that is near the new location of her combined charity offices in Edinburg and so will be leaving Royal Lodge.

Remember how long the Queen put up with the sniping between Charles and Diana. She has a long tolerance. But even she has limits.

I think that the C & D situation dragged on for far too long so I hope that his crisis is solved sooner than that. As for Epstein's actions I believe that people are good at hiding their bad behavior when they want to be but I guess I don't understand how Andrew never noticied what was going on. Also why is there this attitude that Andrew can't/shouldn't help out with the authorities. If it was me I would talk to them so I could get a bad person off the streets but I am not royal.

Also I don't know how rich Andrew really is? I heard that Sarah paid for a lot of stuff during their marriage so that could be part of the motivation.

Mermaid1962 03-13-2011 05:13 PM

Would he have received money from the Queen Mother's estate? There are also trusts that his own mother might have set up for him. We really have no way of knowing.

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Originally Posted by jemagre (Post 1215745)
Also I don't know how rich Andrew really is? I heard that Sarah paid for a lot of stuff during their marriage so that could be part of the motivation.


roseroyal 03-13-2011 06:18 PM

I hate to sound judgemental, but Andrew needs to find better people to be friends with...

kakieanne 03-13-2011 10:17 PM

There are always people who bring out the best in you and others who will bring out the worst. Andrew and Sarah appear to bring out the worst in each other.

roseroyal 03-13-2011 10:56 PM

Oh, I was not talking about A& S, they need to remain friends for the sake of their children. I was talking about A& that Epstein character!

Lenora 03-14-2011 09:31 AM

In thrall to the woman he looks after like a family pet | Mail Online

kakieanne 03-14-2011 01:09 PM

Excellent article. Thanks for posting it.

NotAPretender 03-14-2011 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade (Post 1215632)
what I dont get is andrews motivation to pay off sarahs debts..... andrew is rich enough himself to pay for the debt and provide for a luxury lifestyle of sarah for the rest of her life, if he feels the need to do so.

I agree, it's very baffling - unless there is some sort of quid pro quo going on that very few are privvy to. Given the salacious and disgraceful nature of all that has passed between the two of them, it would have to be very horrific.

But it's a very valid question.

Moonmaiden23 03-14-2011 06:10 PM

My goodness..I am just now hearing about this latest mess believe it or not.

The DoE seems to really loathe Sarah. I wonder if he will boycott Beatrice and Eugenie's weddings when the time comes(assuming he is still alive) in order to avoid her?

It's all so dysfunctional and sad.:sad:

Mermaid1962 03-14-2011 06:18 PM

I wonder whether the Duke of Edinburgh knows worse information about Sarah than we know? People who get involved with Sarah seem to get into trouble.

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Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23 (Post 1216142)
The DoE seems to really loathe Sarah.


sliver_bic 03-14-2011 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23 (Post 1216142)
The DoE seems to really loathe Sarah. I wonder if he will boycott Beatrice and Eugenie's weddings when the time comes(assuming he is still alive) in order to avoid her?

I doubt he'd do this to his granddaughters. He'd probably be sat opposite her and seated way before to avoid problems. The reception afterward? Now that might be where you might not find him.

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Originally Posted by Mermaid1962 (Post 1216143)
I wonder whether the Duke of Edinburgh knows worse information about Sarah than we know? People who get involved with Sarah seem to get into trouble.

They've got to know mostly everything. I believe, like most everything else, it's kept private. Can Andrew, who lives on his mother's dime, really, just jet off to NYC without an itinerary being given to the Queen? If he isn't dumb enough to walk around in public with Epstein, we might be talking about something completely different. This applies to Sarah as well since it seems she really doesn't' do much without him being involved in some way.

Moonmaiden23 03-14-2011 06:52 PM

Mermaid you read my mind. He seems to harbor particular venom toward her, he has not forgiven her after all these years..and she is mother to two of his grandchildren!

It's all so sad.

Zonk 03-14-2011 06:54 PM

Let's get back on topic.

This topic of this thread has nothing to do with the York Princessess, their wedding and/or Prince Phillip's attendance
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scooter 03-16-2011 02:53 PM

Andrew has a history of accepting money from shady charecters. Just think of his sale of Sunninghill to the Khazaki business man for 3Million pounds MORE THAN THE ASK, which has subsequently never been lived in and is now crumbling. www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4407240.ece photos at www.guardian.co.uk/money/gallery/2009/mar/01/property-monarchy

Katrianna 03-17-2011 01:41 AM

Andrew receiver 15 million pounds for Sunninghill, which was 3 million more than the asking price. I wondered why he had to go begging money from rich yet shady friends to settle Fergie's debts. I read that when he was going to move to Rose Lodge, he and Sarah wanted the place refurbished and redecorated and that cost around 8.5 to 8.7 million pounds. He still has plenty of money than just what the Queen pays him.
I've wondered if Andrew still has more money off shore that he's received from his contacts in the Middle East and Central Asia and wanted to avoid taxes. Just speculation on my part.

scooter 03-17-2011 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Katrianna (Post 1217113)
Andrew receiver 15 million pounds for Sunninghill, which was 3 million more than the asking price. I wondered why he had to go begging money from rich yet shady friends to settle Fergie's debts.

May I ask for a link where you are basing this information? Andrew is a grown man who seems to have no problem making deals that will not bear the scrutiny of daylight. Why are you placing the blame on Sarah? She did not sell the house to the Khazakis

sliver_bic 03-17-2011 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by scooter (Post 1217133)
May I ask for a link where you are basing this information? Andrew is a grown man who seems to have no problem making deals that will not bear the scrutiny of daylight. Why are you placing the blame on Sarah? She did not sell the house to the Khazakis


That post didn't place blame on Sarah, it put it thoroughly on Andrew's doorstep.

Madame Royale 03-17-2011 08:39 AM

I very very rarely speak poorly of a royal, infact I really don't like too, but I will say that out of the entire family, Andrew is not one I'm inclined to think of with very much respect.

From what has been reported over the years and the footage I've watched be it through interviews, on the news or even documentaries, he seems to me an entirely arrogant inadvidual. He doesn't present a particularly personable impression and actually appears smitten by 'who' he is.

Naturally, he may be very different in person, but somehow I doubt it.


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