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Mermaid1962 01-21-2011 08:14 PM

Diana said that she couldn't speak French when she visited France with Prince Charles and so she wore Chanel getting off the plane there. Of course, she might have learned some later.


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Originally Posted by Marie of The Sea (Post 1195807)
Family. I was told he learned French from his mother and grandmother Windsor and Spanish from his Uncle Spencer. The Italian is from Kate and Prince Charles.


Charlotte1 01-21-2011 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie of The Sea (Post 1195807)
Family. I was told he learned French from his mother and grandmother Windsor and Spanish from his Uncle Spencer. The Italian is from Kate and Prince Charles.

William doesn't speak fluent French or Spanish! He did the compulsory few years of French at school, he took Spanish at GCSE level (10th grade) but did no languages for A-Levels which shows he wasn't particularly skilled at languages. He didn't do French at GCSE, the subjects you take at exam level are the ones you are best at. William has never spent any kind of extended time in either a French speaking or Spanish speaking country, unlike the Queen he was never educated privately and so never had a French speaking governess, or for that matter a French speaking nanny! Diana did not speak French.

Contrast this with the Kents who did learn French within the family, Marina of Kent spoke French at home. Her son the current Duke was a French interpreter in the Army. (He also studied at Le Rosey in French part of Switzerland) Alexandra lived with a French noble family in Paris for a while, Michael also speaks French and added Russian and became a Russian language interpreter for the Army. His interest in Russian was sparked at an early age as Marina used to visit the Grand Duchess Xenia who lived in exile in the UK. The Duke of Kent's oldest grandson Baron Downpatrick has just graduated from Oxford with a degree in French and German. Prince Michael's daughter Gabriella is actually fluent in Spanish, she has a degree in Hispanic literature and as a journalist wrote articles for Spanish Hola, in Spanish!

Italian? Well Kate did spend 3 months at the British Institute in Florence learning Italian so she knows some basics, she's not spent any time in Italy since. She didn't take Italian as an A-level subject, her A-levels (very good ones) are public knowledge. I doubt whether when they're together William and Kate revise Italian verbs and vocabulary together. Charles doesn't speak Italian, he does speak French.

Sadly while the Queen and DoE are fluent in at least 2 languages, it seems foreign languages are not priorities among their grandchildren. Their children are slightly better, Edward and Sophie are fluent in French, as is Charles. Their grandchildren, Beatrice and Eugenie took French at GCSE level, neither took it at A-Level and neither are studying a language at university. (Neither did William)

William will learn 'on the job' like his predecessors. While the CVs of the European heirs looks impressive, they did not begin fulltime royal duties until they were well into their 30s. Prince Phillippe who is the best educated was even criticised that he was spending so long studying. He was told not the bother taking a degree, just spend a short time at the universities which was what Margarethe and Beatrix did. They studied a variety of individual subjects but never completed a degree. Crown Princess Victoria was following the same road, but last year had a degree stitched together for her based on the various courses she had done.

rossop7 01-21-2011 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlotte1 (Post 1195832)
Sadly while the Queen and DoE are fluent in at least 2 languages, it seems foreign languages are not priorities among their grandchildren. Their children are slightly better, Edward and Sophie are fluent in French, as is Charles. Their grandchildren, Beatrice and Eugenie took French at GCSE level, neither took it at A-Level and neither are studying a language at university. (Neither did William)

^ That's pretty much the norm these days for kids I find. Lol! It's a stereotype but seeminly true, the vast majority of British children/younger generations barely see the point in learning foreign languages to any great depth & skill. Firstly I don't think the generally available schooling here is adequate in the subjects nor are the requirements in the curriculum as strict in making sure students are learning at least one foreign language, if not two, to a high level. It's almost to the point where you don't have to even do one foreign language at GCSE. In general, as a country, we seem to be quite lazy at learning other languages these days & aren't doing a good job at promoting the need to learn other languages, we almost assume that we won't need to learn any as everyone else speaks English nowdays! :rolleyes:

jemagre 01-21-2011 11:14 PM

The best type of education is a combination of formal and in-formal. The best university can only give you so much knowledge before the real-world rears its occasional ugly head. So you need to be able to deal with both in order to do well. A thirst for knowledge is also key. After all it signals that a person has real desire to keep improving themselves which is a great quality in a leader.

What William didn't learn in university he can learn by hiring a private tutor. I feel like he should learn some foreign languages (or at least one) and he should spend some time outside the U.K. in a commonwealth realm(s) studying. I also hope that William will one day become more confident in his role. I feel like he is reluctant to take on the role that he was given at birth. I have no evidence to back this up it is just a perception. Perhaps if he does more public events he will become more confident.

It may be a bit off topic but even Harry can benefit from learning these things. I know that he suffers from dyslexia but he can still try. Harry hits back at his critics | The Sun |News After all he is quite high up there and he will play a role as an advisor to his brother as well as performing his own role for the family.

I wonder why the royal family never suggested to the boys about the potential options they may have by expanding the very tiny circle they live in.

Rosapru 01-22-2011 02:35 AM

sorry but William himself said a few years ago he speaks fluently french and didnt want to speak it in public. Prince Charles speaks also french, I saw a documentary on french tv a wee ago where he spoke with a photographer (very famous I try to found his name, I forgot for the moment) and he is interviewed in Highgrove about the climate change by a french tv chanel.William speak swahili fluently too and it was proved by an african journalist of Hello Magazine a few years ago who try at a polo match after the interview of william for his 18 birthday to speak with william and he concede that it was correct and that William understand and speak the language with him. This is facts and not "a source told me ...". one source is william himself, the other the journalist of Hello.

Rosapru 01-22-2011 02:37 AM

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Charlotte1 01-22-2011 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rosapru (Post 1195913)
sorry but William himself said a few years ago he speaks fluently french and didnt want to speak it in public. Prince Charles speaks also french, I saw a documentary on french tv a wee ago where he spoke with a photographer (very famous I try to found his name, I forgot for the moment) and he is interviewed in Highgrove about the climate change by a french tv chanel.William speak swahili fluently too and it was proved by an african journalist of Hello Magazine a few years ago who try at a polo match after the interview of william for his 18 birthday to speak with william and he concede that it was correct and that William understand and speak the language with him. This is facts and not "a source told me ...". one source is william himself, the other the journalist of Hello.

William has never said he can speak French fluently! The most he has conceded that he can speak when it comes to a foreign languages, is during one interview he stated he was trying to teach himself Swahili but wasn't being very successful. William hasn't given many interviews so this is easy enough to confirm! Being able to respond to a simple question after a polo match doesn't make William fluent in Swahili.

If William could speak French fluently he would have taken French for his exams, he didn't. He also did not study French at university and there has been no mention of William having a private tutor. His post-university study has all been maths and science orientated to qualify as a pilot. There was also mention that William would start having private tuition in constitutional law as he's the heir to the heir.

I already stated the Charles can speak French, that's been long established, as well as Edward and Sophie.

CharlotteAmalia 01-22-2011 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlotte1 (Post 1195918)
I already stated the Charles can speak French, that's been long established, as well as Edward and Sophie.

I think Charles is able to speak German as well. He spent a lot of time in Germany with Prince Phillip's relatives. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i1a7F_IfvE&feature=fvw (0:50-1:10 minutes, you could easily understand him, but he is sounding very English when speaking German. Haakon of Norwegen is similar good in German http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9OsUSjmgps 0:55 on...).
I'm pretty sure his German is a lot better than the average German, spoken by English guys. (I lived in the UK for a year. When guys started flirting with me in a pub or club and they found out i was German, they always said the same 2 or 3 sentences: "Ich möchte bitte ein Bier" ("I'd like a beer, please" - no i was not the waitress ;)), "Ich habe einen Hamster, einen Bruder und eine Schwester" ("I have got a hamster, a brother and a sister" - this sentence seems to be from the school lessions when they started learning German and should introduce themselves to the class.) It was nice that they were trying to speak German. But it was also very funny, because quite often it was very hard to understand and it were always the same sentence.:whistling: But there are also people, who speak German very well.)

Rosapru 01-22-2011 09:33 AM

Sorry Charlotte1 but William did say he can speak French fluently, and it's not because you didnt read or hear this interview that you can doubt what I said. William is always underestimate himself so of course He said he was'nt successful at speaking SWAhili but if you check the board you can see the interview of the Hello journalist who engage himself in a conversation in swahili. Or you can email to Hello Magazine to check the information. But dont try to impose your point of vue as fact please. I speak spanish (so I'm french) and I never and couldnt pass this language in my studies. Things are not so simple. Prince Charles speaks French and did he study at university? (I recognise I have no the answer, but I believe it's was not the case). Learn french is a tradition in the family for historic reasons. I'm checking the web to find the interview and you can do the same to prove (but really prove) the contrary

Nice Nofret 01-22-2011 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Lumutqueen (Post 1195274)
He will be told everything he needs to know, why waste years of your life at university when you're going to be told what you need to know when the time comes?

What an interesting idea, that time at university or education is wasted :whistling:

That's not my idea though. I think aquiring a very good education, is the best thing, what can happen to you :flowers:. Spending time at a top university is such a privileg! I only went to "normal" university, and I would have relished in a top one! It's highly stimulating.

Skippy 01-22-2011 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nice Nofret (Post 1196069)
What an interesting idea, that time at university or education is wasted :whistling:

That's not my idea though. I think aquiring a very good education, is the best thing, what can happen to you :flowers:. Spending time at a top university is such a privileg! I only went to "normal" university, and I would have relished in a top one! It's highly stimulating.

That indeed sounds a bit rude imo, to me it doesn't hurt when someone has a mind of his/her own - I think it always helps to have (some) knowledge yourself.

Susanna Wynne 01-22-2011 12:39 PM

Prince William's Education
 


I remember reading that Pr. William received private tutoring while at Eton from an Oxbridge scholar or two (perhaps more?) and that the Queen had weighed in on, and had a strong interest in, his education/preparation. He also met with her privately weekly for a number of years as part of his preparation.

After her father ascended the throne, according to Marion Crawford's book, Princess Elizabeth had regular private tutoring from a famous constitutional scholar/historian (perhaps more than one?) for several years. Thus her education probably exceeded that of most students who studied history, per se, and her education/preparation was more focussed on her future.

Mumper 01-22-2011 02:37 PM

I don't think William will be a good King. He reminds me too much of the Duke of Windsor; he wants his cake, and eat it, too. He and Kate are always know for going on vacations here and there, and seen WAY too often partying at questionable nightclubs, yet, where are the causes? What charitable organizations does he even quietly support and work for? All I see and read, are party, party, party. And oh, they want their "privacy". They still want their tax-payer funded fun, though.
I know it's not politically correct to say it, but I hope he and Kate recede into the background. How come regular English people are not hyped up about his wedding? :whistling:

Skippy 01-22-2011 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mumper (Post 1196134)
I don't think William will be a good King. He reminds me too much of the Duke of Windsor; he wants his cake, and eat it, too. He and Kate are always know for going on vacations here and there, and seen WAY too often partying at questionable nightclubs, yet, where are the causes? What charitable organizations does he even quietly support and work for? All I see and read, are party, party, party. And oh, they want their "privacy". They still want their tax-payer funded fun, though.
I know it's not politically correct to say it, but I hope he and Kate recede into the background. How come regular English people are not hyped up about his wedding? :whistling:

Well, I for one disagree with your post. If all you see and read is party, party, party then I think you don't read all there is to read. He is training to be a full SAR pilot with the RAF, he wouldn't even have time for it. Catherine has worked for her parents' company, and as long as there are no reports to the contrary, I assume that she is still doing that.

And, I believe it has been mentioned multiple times on this forum, William does not live off taxpayer funds. His finances are provided by mainly the British Army. More information about William's finances can be found here:
http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/faqs...092138025.html.

As for your question about charities, I recommend reading this thread:
http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ges-18465.html.

Lumutqueen 01-22-2011 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mumper (Post 1196134)
I don't think William will be a good King. He reminds me too much of the Duke of Windsor; he wants his cake, and eat it, too. He and Kate are always know for going on vacations here and there, and seen WAY too often partying at questionable nightclubs, yet, where are the causes? What charitable organizations does he even quietly support and work for? All I see and read, are party, party, party. And oh, they want their "privacy". They still want their tax-payer funded fun, though.


Could you please tell me the last time they were seen out partying together?
If you check the Current Events thread, William and Kate have done a lot of charity events (FA Association work, BAFTA work, Help For Heroes events, Starlight Foundation events)
William is currently in the RAF and Kate is still a private citizen, she has no reason to participate in royal events until after the 29th April.
William does his fair share, even though he doesn't have to.

Again, the last time they went on holiday was when?


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Originally Posted by Mumper (Post 1196134)
I know it's not politically correct to say it, but I hope he and Kate recede into the background. How come regular English people are not hyped up about his wedding? :whistling:

Considering William will one day be King and Catherine his Queen; receding into the background is not an option unless they give up their titles.
Being a "regular english person"; I know many people who are "hyped" up for the wedding.

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Originally Posted by Nice Nofret (Post 1196069)
What an interesting idea, that time at university or education is wasted :whistling:

What I meant was extra years of university education; a lot of people say he should go and get a degree in Poltical Science, Economics or History. I don't see the point in doing an extra 3 to 5 years when he'll be told everything he needs to know.

Roslyn 01-22-2011 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lumutqueen (Post 1196169)
What I meant was extra years of university education; a lot of people say he should go and get a degree in Poltical Science, Economics or History. I don't see the point in doing an extra 3 to 5 years when he'll be told everything he needs to know.

I find the idea that he will be told everything he needs to know a little unsettling. Who is going to be telling him all he needs to know, and how can he be sure that it is in fact all he needs to know? If others are telling him everything he needs to know, why aren't they doing the job? Rhetorical question, of course.

It may well be that William is having/has had/will have private tutoring from appropriately qualified scholars, but, if that is the case, I would like to know about it.

We don't really know much about William at this stage, and hopefully it will be a long time before he is king, so he has plenty of time to acquire the knowledge that I would like him to have. One thing tertiary education does is teach you how to learn, so he already has that skill.

Lumutqueen 01-22-2011 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Roslyn (Post 1196197)
I find the idea that he will be told everything he needs to know a little unsettling. Who is going to be telling him all he needs to know, and how can he be sure that it is in fact all he needs to know? If others are telling him everything he needs to know, why aren't they doing the job? Rhetorical question, of course.

It may well be that William is having/has had/will have private tutoring from appropriately qualified scholars, but, if that is the case, I would like to know about it.

We don't really know much about William at this stage, and hopefully it will be a long time before he is king, so he has plenty of time to acquire the knowledge that I would like him to have. One thing tertiary education does is teach you how to learn, so he already has that skill.

It's not going to be scholars who give him extra information, it'll be advisers. Private Secretarys and the like who are employed to tell William what he needs to know.
For instance when he's going to a benefit for a specific charity, beforehand he will presumably be briefed on what the charity is for, it's history and why William himself is going. If he's got enough time he might event do some personal research of his own.
He'll be told what he needs to know to look like a good King in my mind, i don't think William is going to be the one to change the system; not yet anyway.

Iluvbertie 01-22-2011 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Roslyn (Post 1196197)
I find the idea that he will be told everything he needs to know a little unsettling. Who is going to be telling him all he needs to know, and how can he be sure that it is in fact all he needs to know? If others are telling him everything he needs to know, why aren't they doing the job? Rhetorical question, of course.

The people telling him will be the people he employs to tell him and the government. After all he won't be allowed to have any views publicly that the government doesn't approve so the government will be involved in the telling. Remember the monarch is a figurehead who has no power and so he doesn't need to know all the ins and outs as that could lead to a conflict of interest where his ideas conflict with the government's - not allowed to happen.

His role as King is to sign legislation and sprout government approved statements - nothing more or less.

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It may well be that William is having/has had/will have private tutoring from appropriately qualified scholars, but, if that is the case, I would like to know about it.
It was reported regularly during his school days that he was being given additional training in constitutiona affairs and how to be king and the role of the monarch by the best person to give him that information - his grandmother - every Sunday at 4.00 while he was at Eton and she was at Windsor (which is most weekends) they would meet for that training.

Now you know about it.

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We don't really know much about William at this stage, and hopefully it will be a long time before he is king, so he has plenty of time to acquire the knowledge that I would like him to have. One thing tertiary education does is teach you how to learn, so he already has that skill.

He has the knowledge he needs - he can read and he can write his name. He doesn't need to be able to do anymore than that. He can wave and shake hands. He will be briefed on who he is meeting and what topics he can and cannot discuss with that person e.g. government A says you can say we support this idea but five years later new government B says you can say we no longer support this idea - he has no need to know anything else as he isn't allowed to publicly have views.

Charlotte1 01-22-2011 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rosapru (Post 1196017)
Sorry Charlotte1 but William did say he can speak French fluently, and it's not because you didnt read or hear this interview that you can doubt what I said. William is always underestimate himself so of course He said he was'nt successful at speaking SWAhili but if you check the board you can see the interview of the Hello journalist who engage himself in a conversation in swahili. Or you can email to Hello Magazine to check the information. But dont try to impose your point of vue as fact please. I speak spanish (so I'm french) and I never and couldnt pass this language in my studies. Things are not so simple. Prince Charles speaks French and did he study at university? (I recognise I have no the answer, but I believe it's was not the case). Learn french is a tradition in the family for historic reasons. I'm checking the web to find the interview and you can do the same to prove (but really prove) the contrary

Well you're also trying to push your point of view that William speaks French without any evidence that he does! At least I've provided the evidence that he didn't take French in his exams or at university. Charles studied French at school, he also spent time in France (on school trips) as did Andrew, although his French is questionable. Princess Anne doesn't make any claims to speak French either and she was taught it when she was younger.

The tradition to learn French among royals was observed when they were taught at home, they learn French not from their parents (who they saw little of) but from tutors and governesss especially employed to teach the children to speak the language. (Just like European royals all had English nurses and nannies so they would learn English at an early age)

The Queen Mother learnt French from her French governess and German from her German governess, not from the time she spent at school. The current queen never attended school, she learnt French from her governess. Philip lived in Paris when he was young and went to school there and that's how he learnt French. The education system taught languages to their children and since languages are not given a high priority in th UK anymore, their grandchildren had ended up basically mono-lingual. With English being their only language.

Roslyn 01-22-2011 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Iluvbertie (Post 1196226)
He has the knowledge he needs - he can read and he can write his name. He doesn't need to be able to do anymore than that. He can wave and shake hands. He will be briefed on who he is meeting and what topics he can and cannot discuss with that person e.g. government A says you can say we support this idea but five years later new government B says you can say we no longer support this idea - he has no need to know anything else as he isn't allowed to publicly have views.

I do actually get this, but described this way it sounds a bit as though the monarch is not much more than the pampered pet of the government of the day. I think it's a bit sad, actually.

The Monarch is merely a symbol of the unbroken continuity of the state, and their only qualification is accident of birth. If the role of head of state really is merely symbolic and ceremonial, I think that the office is more appropriately held by someone who has had a long and distinguished career doing something constructive other than merely opening fetes and making small talk. Our Governors and Governors-General have opinions and have expressed them in the past and they can be known to anyone who cares to do the research, and I'm sure the same is true of, for example, Presidents of the United States. Why is it that members of the British Royal Family cannot have opinions and express them before they become monarch? Charles has done things with the intention of benefiting his country and future generations, and he has been criticised heavily for it. HM didn't have a chance to let us know what she thought before becoming Queen.

I suppose I'm just questioning the relevance of the whole system of monarchy as it affects me as an Australian. Why on earth should we bow to these people? William hasn't done anything to make me think he should ever be my Head of State. The fact he can read and write his own name and wave and shake hands and makes all the right noises and doesn't offend anyone just doesn't impress me.


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