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Cory 10-10-2010 04:11 PM

Restoration of Monarchy in Portugal
After a century of Republic I suppose some portuguese still want the Monarchy.How strong is this feeling in Portugal?

David V 10-11-2010 11:51 PM

There is a monarchist movement in Portugal which participates regularly in elections (and was briefly part of a coalition government- Gonçalo Ribeiro Telles was a cabinet minister and also a pioneer of green politics in Portugal), albeit the said party does not support the current head of the house. It does have a seat in the Azores assembly though. In any case, restoration is unlikely since the royal house has long reconciled itself with the government.

The First Republic was a highly unstable and chaotic system, and monarchist sentiment was definitely strong then. I believe that president Sidono Pais was said to have monarchist tendencies, or that monarchist sentiment was strongest under him- though the movement was always represented in parliament.

Then came the long period of dictatorship under Carmona and Salazar, which brought peace and stability albeit through repressive means. This regime was extremely conservative, Catholic and nationalistic- although nowhere not as brutal as seen as in some countries. Actually, compared to the constitutional monarchy and the First Republic, more people were allowed to vote during the dictatorship- although it was meaningless in any case. There was definitely strong monarchist participation in the regime, but also monarchists numbered among the regime's opponents and participated in the politics of the Third Republic from the beginning.

So yes, it is a visible if not large movement which overlaps with the more conservative elements of Portuguese politics. But it is not the sort of mainstream movement that you see in Serbia, or integrated/injected itself into mainstream politics like France.

Elsa M. 10-12-2010 04:42 AM

The monarchist movement is irrelevant in Portugal... there's no way to restore the Monarchy in this lifetime.

lazuli 10-12-2010 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by Elsa M. (Post 1146504)
The monarchist movement is irrelevant in Portugal... there's no way to restore the Monarchy in this lifetime.

Well, we have a long monarchist tradition. Eight centuries aren't exactly eight years. But i admit that, despite of all the agitation of the I Republic, 48 years of a dictatorial regime and an ongoing economical and social crisis, i have managed to live the Republic with dignity. I wouldn't be so radical as to say that Monarchy will never be restored in Portugal, although i must confess it will be VEEERY difficult!!! :whistling:

Lusa_Monarquia 12-15-2010 06:39 AM

I n my opinion the number of monarchists in Portugal is higher than it shows. There are few monarchists that really show themselves without shame, but there are many others hidden. I believe a large number of population has a empathy with monarchy, but really don't mind about it. In a recent poll 15% of people answered that they considered
Portugal would be better if it had remained a monarchy, against 20% who consider
that it is better in a republic (a very small difference taking into account that Portugal is a Republic Country for the last Century, and the information about monarchy is not very much). The remaining had no opinion or did not answer.
I believe that, if people could be informed and choose, it would be possible to restore the monarchy in Portugal, but Portuguese Constitution does not allow it. I observe that the monarchist tendency in people is increasing over time.

Domhangairt 12-18-2010 08:43 AM

Portugese monarchy
The present pretender, Dom Duarte Pio descends in the male line from Dom Afonso Henriques- the Portuguese count who founded the Kingdom of Portugal and who first established a Portuguese nation. His descendants built the Portuguese nation state, became pioneers of naval exploration, and liberated Portugal from 80 years of Spanish rule. Republicans need to realize that without the Portuguese royal house, Portugal as a nation state would not exist.

The last king, Dom Manoel II was ousted in a coup because his branch of the family was Saxon-German- and unpopular in Lisbon, and surrounding urban areas. The Republic was corrupt and chaotic, followed by decades of Dictatorship under Salazar. Had the Miguelist line of the true Portuguse royal house of Braganza remained on the Throne, the Revolution of 1910 might never have happened.

In recent years, the Presidency has been fraught with controversy- many believe a non-party political monarch would make a better Head of State. The problem is Portugal has been so long without a monarchy- that most Portuguese donot even understand how it would work, and have no appreciation of the value of constitutional moanrchy as it is practiced in Spain and the Netherlands.

Restoration is only possible after long campaign of information and contact with ordinary people. Even then, chances are slim.

Cory 05-05-2011 08:03 PM

Are there serious polls regarding Monarchy and Republic?

julliette 07-02-2011 07:05 PM

No I don't think so. But there was a poll some time ago saying the number of monarchists were more or less the same than the number of republicans and the rest of the people simple didn't care as Lusa_Monarquia said. I've heard many monarchists talking about this poll but I never saw it. Maybe someone can find it...

LadyRohan 10-24-2011 01:57 AM

As with any serious restoration considerations, it will in Portugal, like in any other country, be a matter of well organized publicity, hard work from the Royals, tieing bonds with important political aspects of society and generally raising awareness of their own person, the nations history and the advantages of monarchy.
15% support for the monarchy is quite strong in a 100-year old republic, and the Duke of Braganza is quite a familiar figure in Portugal, respected by politicians. If he were to seriously seek a restoration for his family, it would mean getting himself out there, alongside his family and heirs in particular, and see the numbers rise with hard work done.
The Duke said himself in an interview in 2007, that 'a King is always a better head of state than a president'.
Obviously, a monarchist would agree from the get-go, but the job is to instill that sentence in the heads of the average Portuguese person.
Incidentally, I was in Portugal 2 years ago, and stayed with an extended family of friends for a few weeks. One night across the dinnertable I raised the issue of the past and future of Portugal, and after a lively debate, not a single one of them wanted to keep the republic.
The old monarchy is gone, but the Royal Family isn't.
In modern days, the advantages of constitutional monarchies, especially in Europe, is not a hard thing to sell. It's actually quite easy.

Cory 01-03-2012 04:54 AM

Al the royalists support Don Duarte in Portugal?

jonc93 01-03-2012 11:46 AM

I would say most of them do, but there is a small radical group that supports Rosario Poidimani. In the 70'a a women who named herself Maria Pia of Saxe Coburg Gotha claimed to be King Carlos' illegitimate daughter, she then choose Mr. Poidimani as her successor. He tries to use the Portuguese Constitution against Duarte because it says all Successors of D. Miguel have no rights to the throne of Portugal and can not enter Portugal. That law was repealed, although by the republic, it still was repealed. And King Manuel, when he knew he would have no Heirs signed a pact with Duarte Pio's father, Duarte Nuno, claiming him to be his Heir. If Mr. Poidimani studied the Constitution from the monarchy he would find that illegitimate children can not succeed to the throne, he claims King Carlos legitimized Maria Pia, but if he studied the same Constitution again, he would see that the King can not just Legitimize a child, the only way to Legitimize the child is if the parents where to marry, which the King did not, mostly because Maria Pia was not his daughter. So I would say most serious monarchists support Dom Duarte, as does the government, they gave him and his family Diplomatic Passports with their titles on them and invite them to state events.

Cory 01-04-2012 05:08 AM

What about the Duke of Lule'?

julliette 01-04-2012 10:43 AM

^^ About the Duke the Loulé, it says in wikipedia more or less this:

Some argue that the Dukes of Loulé are the legitimate heirs to the throne of Portugal because they are descendents of D. Ana de Jesus Maria de Bragança, daughter of king D. João VI and D. Carlota Joaquina. Those who defend it are a minority whitin the portuguese monarchists, as one can see by the oficial positions of Causa Real, a federation of Reais Associações. Reais Associações are associations of monarchists from all over the country who usually defend that D. Duarte is the legitimate heir.
The Dukes of Loulé have never expressed publicly their clame to the throne but they also never denied it. When the head of a house dies, it is tradition to ask the king (the head of the royal house) to confirm the title to the family (kind of symbolic: the new duke renews the votes of the family to serve the king). That would have to be asked to D. Duarte. The dukes of Loulé refused to do it, as it would be a confirmation that they acept D. Duarte has the head of the royal house. That was seen as a signal of their clame to the throne. D. Filipe Folque de Mendoça was the president of Real Associação de Lisboa, and during that time he expressed his belief that his brother, the current duke, is the heir to the throne.

Ultramare 01-04-2012 06:18 PM

The monarchism is definitively stronger in Portugal than in Brazil. D. Edward - or Duarte - is a quite active claimant, and he´s known as celebrity there, while his brazilian counterparts aren´t so widely recognized.

jonc93 01-04-2012 11:08 PM

Yes, I would have to say it's true, Dom Duarte is recognized a lot in Portugal and featured on TV and magazines quite a lot. His whole wedding was covered live by the Portuguese Public TV Channel as well. As for Duarte's Brazilian relatives, D. Pedro Gastao was more well known then D. Luis is, mosty because he was the Brother of the Countess of Paris and the Duchess of Braganca, and the Countess of Barcelona was his sister in law. D. Luis never married and seems to be more secluded, in comparison to Duarte who is always out and about representing many good causes.

Cory 01-05-2012 04:13 AM

The Royalist Party is in favour of Don Duarte?

julliette 01-05-2012 12:07 PM

^^ If you're talking about PPM (Partido Popular Monárquico), the only monarchist party I know, I think it's kind of ambiguous... I never heard the party supported oficially any of the claimant.
When it was founded, its most prominent figure was Gonçalo Ribeiro Teles, who, I think, supports D. Duarte. Then in the early 2000s the party elected two members of the parliament (not by itself but going to elections in the lists of PSD, one of the two main parties). One of those elected member was Nuno da Câmara Pereira. I think he used to have a good relationship with D. Duarte and supported him. But then I heard that D.Duarte forbided him to used the title D.. As a kind of revenge, the Câmara Pereiras started to oppose D. Duarte, kind of support the duke of Loulé and even travelled to Italy to meet Rosario Poidimani. When PSD changed its leader and there were new elections, the members of PPM were no longer in the party lists, which made it impossible for PPM to elected someone. Since then, PPM changed its leader as well, and I think Nuno da Câmara Pereira even left the party. With the new leader, the PPM is definetely closer to D. Duarte and Causa Real but I'm not sure if it is an oficial support.

Ultramare 01-07-2012 08:22 PM

@jonc: HI&RH D. Luiz - Or Louis - has two big problems:

1-He´s a very ill man: At the childhood, he lost the motion of a leg and couldn´t even go to her mother burial - He had a big crisis.
2-HI&RH D. Luiz, as his brother D. Bertrand is member of a secret society called "Evergreen". The marriage isn´t allowed among them. it´s a group closed to the "catholic" brazilian elite. I could make a post about them...

jonc93 01-08-2012 02:46 AM

Interesting I did not know about the first one, but I did hear of the second one before, just never the name of the society. He seems to take his duties very seriously but doesn't seem to be well known, but since you are from Brazil, you can tell us is he well known amongst the people?

Cory 01-08-2012 01:23 PM

There is no recent poll about how many people are in favour of Monarchy in Portugal?

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