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Humfrey 04-29-2010 05:44 AM

Princess Mary, Duchess of Gloucester and Edinburgh, dau George III (1776-1857)
 
Does anyone know if Princess Mary (daughter of George III) had a natural son in about 1798, prior to her marriage to her cousin the Duke of Gloucester? Her sister Princess Sophie had one illegitimate child, but there is a rumour that Princess Mary may also have had a child who she had to give up as an infant. Any help would be much appreciated.

Vasillisos Markos 04-29-2010 01:09 PM

I never heard of any illegitimate children

Lumutqueen 04-29-2010 01:29 PM

She didn't as far as I know. Why do you ask?

Jeniann 04-29-2010 10:51 PM

I have heard that there were a lot of rumors about illegitimate children from George III's children which I am sure included stories about Princess Mary. In fact I think I remember reading about some rumors that had gone around in some book or another. But I don't think there was ever evidence for it.

Humfrey 05-03-2010 03:17 PM

The Times stops posting her birthday between 1997 and 1802 and she is "indisposed" quite a lot in the period. The rumour I've heard is of the son of a Scottish laird who died shortly afterwards. There may have even been a clandestine marriage. I'm searching...

Vasillisos Markos 05-03-2010 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Humfrey (Post 1076917)
The Times stops posting her birthday between 1997 and 1802 and she is "indisposed" quite a lot in the period. The rumour I've heard is of the son of a Scottish laird who died shortly afterwards. There may have even been a clandestine marriage. I'm searching...

Aah, the old "indisposed" story given to the masses. Why would the Times stop posting her birthday notice between 1797 and 1802? Or are you referring to the fact that the Court Circular made no mention of observance of her birthday by the Royal Family?

Humfrey 05-04-2010 05:48 AM

Usually a mention would be made in the Times of the celebration of the princess's birthday and that other members of the royal family and peerage paid their respects. This did not happen for an interval of a few years. I may be reading too much into this, but I think an inspection of baptismal records could be my next port of call. Any suggestions as to where the records for chapels at (e.g.) St James' Palace or Kew Palace would be found?

Vasillisos Markos 05-04-2010 11:43 AM

I doubt there would be a written record regarding a royal illegitimate child, at least not one with the names of the actual parents on it. Do you believe someone else claimed the child as theirs?

snowflower 05-04-2010 11:55 AM

If such a child existed I doubt there would be records of its actual family. Most likely , it would be predecided to give it at birth to another family and their names would be those appearing on the records of both his birth and christening in order to cover all traces back to the Princess.

Humfrey 05-06-2010 07:41 AM

The child in question, who may have been Mary's, was adopted by a friend of the father's who placed the child as a border in a school near London and looked after his welfare from a very early age. The child was recognised by the father's family, but his mother would reveal nothing whatsoever about him to her son and even the stepfather left it to a paternal relative to reveal to the boy his father's identity. The son, in turn, kept quiet about the identity of his mother who was known to be very high born. The father had been deeply involved in the politics of the day and committed suicide shortly after the child's birth. N.B. Princess Sophie, I understand, had a natural child who was taken from her and placed with the father. This only came out as I remember when the son revealed his parentage in the courts and this information may otherwise have been lost to posterity.

Vasillisos Markos 05-06-2010 11:27 AM

Fascinating. May I inquire how you came by this information?

Humfrey 05-06-2010 11:38 AM

Letters and documents from National Archives mostly.

Suzanne.Wood 11-06-2011 06:30 AM

The website Gogmsite.net has a painting of Mary with her son William in new content, but I can't find anything on him anywhere else. This may not even be her.

Humfrey 11-15-2011 09:45 AM

William would be right, I think. I shall look for it. Princess Mary isn't hard to identify. Thank you very much indeed.
The date doesn't look right (too early), but she does and the hand symbolism is telling. I think we may have a match.
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Humfrey 11-22-2011 07:40 AM

Like a Madonna and Child but no haloes and colours all wrong. A mother and child, but not a family portrait. No finger rings. No father or paternal heraldry. Child points at his mother who points with her left hand past her baby while looking heavenwards. Part II to follow

Humfrey 11-22-2011 08:47 AM

The heart on her head dress and breast probably refers to those found on the Hanoverian coat of arms. The parallel with a religious painting is apparently a disguise of a painting of a mother about to give up her natural son.

Humfrey 11-24-2011 06:18 AM

It's not Princess Mary I'm told, so back to the drawing board...

Humfrey 11-29-2011 08:28 AM

Was there another Princess Mary around this time (1798) of the right age? Just a thought.


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