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principessa 01-04-2010 10:48 AM

Engagement of Princess Nathalie and Alexander Johannsmann: January 4, 2010
 
Billedbladet.dk is reporting that Princess Nathalie got engaged to Alexander Johannsmann.

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michelleq 01-04-2010 11:14 AM

Congratulations to Princess Nathalie!!!

I look forward to this wedding!!

Dierna23 01-04-2010 11:16 AM

Wow, another engagement! This will surely be an interesting year. Congratulations to Princess Nathalie & Alexander Johannsmann! :flowers:

Anna Z. 01-04-2010 11:22 AM

Wonderful news! Congratulations to the couple! :flowers: 2010 is shaping up to be another 2004 ;)

crm2317 01-04-2010 11:26 AM

Congratulations to the couple! An engagement from Princess Nathalie and her cousin Prince Nikolaus how exciting!

Paty 01-04-2010 11:32 AM

Official announcement from the Royal House:
Kongehuset - Aktuelt - Nyheder Danish
http://translate.google.com/translat...p%3Fid%3D23348 Google atuomatic translation

Hendrik-Jan77 01-04-2010 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anna Z. (Post 1036882)
Wonderful news! Congratulations to the couple! :flowers: 2010 is shaping up to be another 2004 ;)

Yes, now only a lot of crownprincesses pregnant and then it's exactly the same as in 2004!
Imagine: a lot of crowprincesses heavily pregnant attending Crownprincess Victoria's wedding!
What a joy!!!

Tilia C. 01-04-2010 11:53 AM

Congratulations to the happy couple!
By the way: the grooms father Heinrich-Wilhelm Johannsmann was a successful and popular jumping rider who has a special nickname: der Kaiser (the emperor).:rofl: If I remember correctly this originates in an advice someone once gave him, saying: You have to sit on your horse as if you are the Kaiser/emperor. (I have to go by memory here because I couldn't find the story on the net, but it has often been told by horse show commentators)
That doesn't make the groom a real prince, I know. But most importantly the couple shares their passion for horses.

Zonk 01-04-2010 11:58 AM

This is fabulous news indeed!

Four weddings in 2010!

Although I am quite happy for all of the prospective brides and grooms...I do feel a bit for Richard and Carina.

suztav 01-04-2010 12:02 PM

Fabulous ... 2010 --- the Year of the Wedding!

ladybelline 01-04-2010 12:04 PM

Wonderful news! 2010 is definitely Wedding year !!!!:flowers:

principessa 01-04-2010 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zonk (Post 1036893)
This is fabulous news indeed!

Four weddings in 2010!

Although I am quite happy for all of the prospective brides and grooms...I do feel a bit for Richard and Carina.

Dear Zonk, I think we will see five big royal weddings in 2010:

Victoria and Daniel
Madeleine and Jonas
Carlos (Bourbon-Parma) and Anne
Nikolaos and Tatiana
Nathalie and Alexander

antonieta 01-04-2010 12:47 PM

Congratulations to the couple.

PrincessofEurope 01-04-2010 12:49 PM

Congratulations to the couple - such a year for royal weddings

Zonk 01-04-2010 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by principessa (Post 1036903)
Dear Zonk, I think we will see five big royal weddings in 2010:

Victoria and Daniel
Madeleine and Jonas
Carlos (Bourbon-Parma) and Anne
Nikolaos and Tatiana
Nathalie and Alexander

Thank you principessa! I totally forgot about Carlos and Anne!

So five weddings..can we get a sixth?!

William...Harry.....Zara.....Richard.....heck...Beatrice?!

Tilia C. 01-04-2010 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zonk (Post 1036919)
Thank you principessa! I totally forgot about Carlos and Anne!

So five weddings..can we get a sixth?!

William...Harry.....Zara.....Richard.....heck...Beatrice?!

Half a dozen seems a very good number! Imo Zara is the most likely candidate, although I would like the nasty question of the Berleburg will finally being resolved so that Richard and Carina can finally have a go. And maybe some less prominent royals will take us by surprise.

ladybelline 01-04-2010 01:55 PM

I agree Tilla, 6 weddings would be nicer than five :biggrin:

Maybe Prince Albert II, who knows?

Zonk 01-04-2010 01:59 PM

I wouldn't bet on Albert. Now I am taking us way off topic!

And it would be great if the Richard situation is resolved....bt for now...much happiness to Nathalie and Alexander!

Tilia C. 01-04-2010 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladybelline (Post 1036926)
I agree Tilla, 6 weddings would be nicer than five :biggrin:

Maybe Prince Albert II, who knows?

We wouldn't complain if it became 7 (or more), would we;)?

I'm curious when they will announce the date and location. I guess they will get married at Berleburg castle.

Her_Majesty 01-04-2010 02:12 PM

Great news :flowers:.
Congrats to Princess Nathalie and Alexander!

What title will Alexander have after the marriage?

Lumutqueen 01-04-2010 02:22 PM

How truely wondeful. I didn't know she was in a serious relationship. Congratulations, 5 royal weddings :flowers:

principessa 01-04-2010 02:23 PM

To the post of Her Majesty:

I guess none.

I think that Princess Nathalie will take a doublename. The German name law offers you three options: One of the partners gives up his name, both remain their names, one of the partners will remain his name and get the name of his partner as a doubble name.

magnik 01-04-2010 02:27 PM

Finally!
Quote:

Originally Posted by principessa (Post 1036903)
Dear Zonk, I think we will see five big royal weddings in 2010:

Victoria and Daniel
Madeleine and Jonas
Carlos (Bourbon-Parma) and Anne
Nikolaos and Tatiana
Nathalie and Alexander

2 for Sweden
1 for Greece
1 for almost Denmark
- so 4 weddings for descendants of Gustav VI Adolf
1 for almost Netherlands

We must waite 4 days for the first royal engagements in 2010.

Her_Majesty 01-04-2010 02:29 PM

:previous: But Princess Nathalie's surname is already a double name.
Nathalie zu Sayn-Wittgenstein- Berleburg.
I think a German court recently decided that 3 surnames are not allowed.
So Nathalie zu Sayn-Wittgenstein- Berleburg-Johannsmann wouldn't be possible. ;)
But maybe she'll just keep her name and he'll recieve her surname.

magnik 01-04-2010 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Her_Majesty (Post 1036943)
So Nathalie zu Sayn-Wittgenstein- Berleburg-Johannsmann wouldn't be possible. ;)
But maybe she'll just keep her name and he'll recieve her surname.

It would be interesting.
Btw do we know any examples of royal/noble husbands who take their wifes surnames?

Do you thibk that she will wear Khedive Cartier Tiara like her sister?

Stefan 01-04-2010 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Her_Majesty (Post 1036943)
:previous: But Princess Nathalie's surname is already a double name.
Nathalie zu Sayn-Wittgenstein- Berleburg.
I think a German court recently decided that 3 surnames are not allowed.
So Nathalie zu Sayn-Wittgenstein- Berleburg-Johannsmann wouldn't be possible. ;)
But maybe she'll just keep her name and he'll recieve her surname.

I think in that case both keep their names as they are.

Princess Robijn 01-04-2010 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zonk (Post 1036893)
Although I am quite happy for all of the prospective brides and grooms...I do feel a bit for Richard and Carina.

You mean Gustav and Carina ;)

Josette :flowers:

jen121419 01-04-2010 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by principessa (Post 1036871)
Billedbladet.dk is reporting that Princess Nathalie got engaged to Alexander Johannsmann.

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How exciting to have all these royal weddings! :flowers:

PetraHel 01-04-2010 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 1036955)
I think in that case both keep their names as they are.

Mr. Johannsmann wont´t get any title IMO. I have never heard that husband would get title from his wife or her family (Daniel Westling is exception proving the rule).
Does her sister use name of her husband? If yes, maybe Princess Nathalie will use her husband´s name as well, actually why not?

Lumutqueen 01-04-2010 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PetraHel (Post 1036971)
Mr. Johannsmann wont´t get any title IMO. I have never heard that husband would get title from his wife or her family (Daniel Westling is exception proving the rule).
Does her sister use name of her husband? If yes, maybe Princess Nathalie will use her husband´s name as well, actually why not?

Jonas Bergstrom, Princess Madelines fiancee will recieve a title when he marries her. Duke of Hälsingland and Gästrikland.
Prince Phillip recieved a title when marrying Princess Elizabeth.

Princess Alexandra is

HH Princess Alexandra of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg, Countess of Pfeil and Klein-Ellguth.
Her husband is the Count of Pfeil and Klein-Ellguth.

magnik 01-04-2010 04:16 PM

About 2 years ago I read on Netty's site that Princess Julia Katarina von Anhalt want that her future husband would get her title. I'm not sure if he get it or no.

Getting back to our newly engage couple Nathalie's father has successor so I don't think that Alexander will take his future wife's title.

pdas1201 01-04-2010 04:17 PM

Congratulations to the couple. Indeed, 5 royal weddings next year. More fun for us here!

Tilia C. 01-04-2010 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumutqueen (Post 1036974)
Jonas Bergstrom, Princess Madelines fiancee will recieve a title when he marries her. Duke of Hälsingland and Gästrikland.
Prince Phillip recieved a title when marrying Princess Elizabeth.

Princess Alexandra is

HH Princess Alexandra of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg, Countess of Pfeil and Klein-Ellguth.
Her husband is the Count of Pfeil and Klein-Ellguth.

Usually the wife gets the title of her husband, but not the other way round. But if the father happens to be king, he can grant a title to his son in law or ensure that he can share the title of his wife. Prince Richard of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg does not have this power, nor is there a German king who can do it. And Queen Marghrete can't interfere with the German titles, which are only seen as part of the name anyway.
The husband of Princess Alexandra was born as a count, so his wife became a countess as well.

BELTRANEJA 01-04-2010 05:47 PM

Congratulations !!!!!! I like Princess Nathalie. 5 weddings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JessRulz 01-04-2010 06:48 PM

What wonderful news - congratulations to the couple! :flowers::flowers:

5 weddings this year (and counting) = brilliance.

Lumutqueen 01-04-2010 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tilia C. (Post 1037019)
Usually the wife gets the title of her husband, but not the other way round. But if the father happens to be king, he can grant a title to his son in law or ensure that he can share the title of his wife. Prince Richard of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg does not have this power, nor is there a German king who can do it. And Queen Marghrete can't interfere with the German titles, which are only seen as part of the name anyway.
The husband of Princess Alexandra was born as a count, so his wife became a countess as well.

I understand that, wifes always get the titles of the husbands.
And I also understand that King George gave Prince Phillip his title DofE.

I never said Margrethe could interfere with german titles.
I was pointing out that there were titles that had been given to future husbands.

Zonk 01-04-2010 07:13 PM

Well, I think there is a somewhat precedence but it depends on the country.

Let's see, I am not sure I would count Prince Phillip being made of DoE. He was after all a Prince of Greece and Denmark.

Queen Elizabeth made Anthony Armstrong Jones an Earl and would have done the same for Mark Phillips if he and Princess Anne agreed to it. But than Margaret and Anthony divorced and you get a new Countess of Snowdon.

Daniel and Jonas are basically assuming Victoria and Madeline's titles. Claus for Princess Beatrix and Henri for Princess Margrethe were elevated as well. But the key was that these were existing monarchies.

And that is not the case for Nathalie. Nor was it for Princess Alexia of Greece as well.

Lumutqueen 01-04-2010 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zonk (Post 1037067)
Claus for Princess Beatrix and Henri for Princess Margrethe were elevated as well. But the key was that these were existing monarchies.

I'd forgotten about those 2.
Thank you for reminding me.
It may not be a remaining monarchy but the titles still exist. :smile:

dazzling 01-05-2010 03:38 AM

Wonderful news. Was waiting for something more than dating to happen between the two.
Would be interesting to know when the wedding will take place.

Stefan 01-05-2010 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumutqueen (Post 1037069)
I'd forgotten about those 2.
Thank you for reminding me.
It may not be a remaining monarchy but the titles still exist. :smile:

No Nathales title doesn't exist anymore. Nor does any other german title. In 1919 all noble titles where abolished and became part of the surname.
And therefore it's not Prinzessin Nathalie zu Sany-Wittgenstein-Berleburg it's nathalie, Prinzessin zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg

queenofcelts 01-05-2010 06:05 AM

Wonderful news!

kalnel 01-05-2010 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hendrik-Jan77 (Post 1036888)
Yes, now only a lot of crownprincesses pregnant and then it's exactly the same as in 2004!
Imagine: a lot of crowprincesses heavily pregnant attending Crownprincess Victoria's wedding!
What a joy!!!

Let's just hope Victoria isn't the crown princess heavily pregnant at her own wedding! :)

greek101 01-06-2010 12:28 AM

This is wonderful news!!!!! This is most certainly a wedding year.

sgl 01-06-2010 09:50 PM

This is very exciting news! Just like everyone else, I'm looking forward to all of the royal weddings in the upcoming year. Does anyone know if they've set a date yet?

agami.pearl 01-07-2010 01:07 PM

Congratulations to them !!!

principessa 01-07-2010 06:37 PM

Report on royalnews.de:

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Martha 01-07-2010 08:30 PM

I suppose the wedding will be in Denmark.

H.M. Margrethe 01-08-2010 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martha (Post 1038262)
I suppose the wedding will be in Denmark.

Why not in Gearmany ? The coupel is living ther and so do their parrents..I think the wedding will take place in Gearmany.

NotAPretender 01-11-2010 01:12 PM

Although no announcement has been made, it makes sense that the bride will be married from the home of her parents in Germany. None of the Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburgs are in the line of succession of Denmark, and Nathalie is a princess of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg (not of Denmark.)

I'm sure that Prince Richard and Princess Benedikt are looking forward to hosting the nuptials of their daughter - a proud moment in any father's life, to walk his daughter down the aisle of the home parish church.

Congratulations to this couple.

lyndaW 01-11-2010 01:29 PM

Although I agree the actual wedding will be in Germany, I'm sure that Auntie Margrethe will host some sort of gala dinner in Denmark both both Nathalie as weell as her Greek nephew.
Should be inter4esting who they both pick for their attendants

Lumutqueen 01-11-2010 02:26 PM

I agree the wedding will take place in Germany, I don't see why any event would take place in Denmark.

Countess Ingrid as a flower girl, Prince Christian as ring bearer/page boy quite possible.
Princess Alexandra as Bridesmaid, even Mary. :smile:

Maura724 01-11-2010 02:58 PM

Where did Princess Alexandra (Nathalie's sister) get married? Germany?

Stefan 01-11-2010 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maura724 (Post 1039252)
Where did Princess Alexandra (Nathalie's sister) get married? Germany?

No. She married at Graasten Castle just near the german-danish Border. The Wedding was host by her grandmother Queen Ingrid.

NotAPretender 01-11-2010 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 1039256)
No. She married at Graasten Castle just near the german-danish Border. The Wedding was host by her grandmother Queen Ingrid.

I believe that Alexandra was granted Danish citizenship just prior to her wedding. IIRC, when a member of an extended Royal family holds that nation's citizenship, then the reigning monarch becomes the de facto family leader insofar as such festivities.

Nathalie was a reserve for the Sydney 2000 Olympic Games on behalf of Denmark, so it may be possible that history would repeat itself in this case. Still, I can't help but feel that Prince Richard and his wife Princess Benedikt might wish to host at least one wedding for their offspring, especially as Richard remains reigning Prince in Sayn-Wittegenstein-Berleburg, and thus holding a wedding for the next generation of the household would be a lovely thought.

Lumutqueen 01-11-2010 03:43 PM

She won bronze for Denmark in 2008.
She may want a wedding in Denmark. :flowers:

UserDane 01-11-2010 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NotAPretender (Post 1039273)
I believe that Alexandra was granted Danish citizenship just prior to her wedding. IIRC, when a member of an extended Royal family holds that nation's citizenship, then the reigning monarch becomes the de facto family leader insofar as such festivities..

Nathalie was granted Danish citizenship at the same time. See nos. 549 and 550 on this list of persons who were granted Danish citizenship - https://www.retsinformation.dk/Forms....aspx?id=87244.

dbarn67 01-11-2010 05:13 PM

Such wonderful news! Congratulations to Princess Nathalie and Alexander!

NotAPretender 01-11-2010 05:32 PM

:lol:Well, heck, then, have HM The Queen throw a big 'un - much more lavish than a mere HSH Prince (dad) could throw! (even though he's listed as one of the 400 richest in Germany...)



:bounce: <<<<<<<< prepping for the big party!

Sereta 01-12-2010 08:24 PM

Congratulations to Nathalie and Alexander. I wish them much happiness in their life together. I'm sure it will be a big and lovely wedding no matter where they have it. :flowers:

snowflower 01-12-2010 09:04 PM

I' m quite sure she will use the Khedive of Egupt tiara. It may now belong to her aunt Q Anne Marie , but I believe she will most happily give it to nathalie for her wedding. since this tiara was worn by her grandmother, mother, aunts, sister and cousin on their wedding day . I suppose she will keep up the tradition

lyndaW 01-13-2010 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumutqueen (Post 1039231)
I agree the wedding will take place in Germany, I don't see why any event would take place in Denmark.

Countess Ingrid as a flower girl, Prince Christian as ring bearer/page boy quite possible.
Princess Alexandra as Bridesmaid, even Mary. :smile:

I would think that Carina would be a bridemaid....................is Nathalie close to her Greek & Spanish first Cousins????

dbarn67 01-13-2010 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyndaW (Post 1039844)
I would think that Carina would be a bridemaid....................is Nathalie close to her Greek & Spanish first Cousins????

I believe Princess Alexia is close to her Danish/German cousins. I know she and Princess Alexandra are good friends as she is godmother to Princess Alexandra's daughter Ingrid. I wouldn't be surprised if she or her children were included in the wedding. I also believe that Princess Elena & Princess Christina may close to P. Alexandra & Nathalie through their Greek relations. But we can only speculate about who will be in the wedding...so exciting and fund. It will exciting to see what kind of wedding Princess Nathalie has as she has a lot of family from which to choose.

principessa 01-13-2010 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyndaW (Post 1039844)
I would think that Carina would be a bridemaid....................is Nathalie close to her Greek & Spanish first Cousins????

Nathalie has Spanish first cousins? Or do you mean Danish first cousins?

Lumutqueen 01-13-2010 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by principessa (Post 1039857)
Nathalie has Spanish first cousins? Or do you mean Danish first cousins?

Queen Sofia of Spain is sister to King Constantine, who is married to Nathalies Aunt. Thats the only connection I think.

But no first cousins. :smile:
I didn't know Alexandra or Nathalie were close to the Spanish.

Tilia C. 01-13-2010 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snowflower (Post 1039667)
I' m quite sure she will use the Khedive of Egupt tiara. It may now belong to her aunt Q Anne Marie , but I believe she will most happily give it to nathalie for her wedding. since this tiara was worn by her grandmother, mother, aunts, sister and cousin on their wedding day . I suppose she will keep up the tradition

I too believe that she will wear this tiara. It was meant to be the wedding tiara for all of Queen Ingrid's decendents. Can't wait to see it worn again!
But I'm not sure about bridesmaids: bridesmaids and best men are not a German tradition. Instead we have two witnesses, one for the bride and one for the groom. But who knows, if the wedding takes place in Denmark. Did Princess Alexandra have bridesmaids when she married Count Jefferson?

NotAPretender 01-13-2010 04:59 PM

I'm linking this blog of Royal Jewels which talks about the Khedive of Egypt tiara, and its tradition in the family.

Royal Jewels of the World: The Khedive of Egypt Cartier Tiara

Stefan 02-20-2010 07:28 AM

New photos from the engaged Couple
Billed-Bladet - Prinsesse Nathalie forlovet -se billederne

Martha 02-22-2010 06:27 PM

The couple look old.

lancchick 02-22-2010 08:17 PM

Her engagement ring is very modest. I'm surprised.

principessa 03-03-2010 11:16 AM

Here is a report at the print issue of Svenskdamtidning:

Svensk Damtidning nr 10.pdf

Princess_Beatrix 03-03-2010 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martha (Post 1053896)
The couple look old.

I think so too. I don't liek the ring- so boring! but it is nice to see another engagement. i am very happy for them and wish them all the best!
did they announce a wedding date?

Lumutqueen 03-03-2010 01:10 PM

I always had this image of Nathalie as a young horse rider, i was very wrong, her fiancee looks familiar to me. :ermm:
Her ring his very modest and doesn't suit her imo, they do look happy. :smile:

dazzling 05-28-2010 08:43 AM

All posts on the wedding has been moved to the wedding thread found here

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